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Nohype what do you think damnation means or unjust ? Cause what you say the wicked , unjust they get to be taught by the saints during the thousand years. That's not by no means a damnation that would be a blessing but according to you, to be taught Gods way is a damnation. That what you are say that because they are giving a new spirit body and are taught Gods ways then they are damned . The word teaches only of two resurrection, so when do you think the second resurrection is ? And what kind of resurrection is it ?

The idea of the "unjust" in Acts 24:15 by Apostle Paul means exactly that, those without Christ Jesus' Salvation. And it will include those like the "five foolish virgins" of Matt.25 also. It represents a separation apart from Christ and His elect saints in that future time. Remember what He said even about the 'unprofitable servant' of Matt.25 also.

As written in Isaiah 29, those who erred in spirit will come to understanding, and those murmured will learn doctrine, in that future time. And per our Lord Jesus in Rev.3:9, those of the "synagogue of Satan" will come to worship at the feet of Christ's elect in that time.

These things are written of in God's Word, in both the OT and NT Scripture, even about the separation of Christ's sheep and the goats that He Himself stated, the "synagogue of Satan" bowing, and Jesus closing the door on many who will say to Him, "Lord, Lord..." in that time. So why are you trying to test me as if these things were not witnessed of in His Word, and with your making up false witness as if I said stupid things like, "to be taught God's way is a damnation"?

If you believe all of the "unjust" or "resurrection of damnation" will go into the "lake of fire" at the end of Christ's thousand years reign, then you have been mistaught, and have not understood what Christ's thousand years reign prior to the new heavens and new earth timing is about.

Why did Apostle Paul declare a "hope" for those of the resurrection of the "unjust" per the Acts 24:15 Scripture? I assure you, Paul did not mean his "hope" for them to mean a hope of their destruction, but a hope that at least some of them might believe on Christ Jesus and be saved in that time!

So like Scripture so states, and I said before, BOTH, the "resurrection of life" and the "resurrection of damnation", of John 5:28-29 will occur on the same day of Christ's second coming. And they all will go through Christ's Millennial reign with His elect ruling over them with "a rod of iron" like both the Psalms and Revelation declares.

Sense you believe the wicked resurrection is at the same time as the saints but then you say they had no part in it. Little bit of common sense if the wicked are changed when the saints are then that means they were part of it .

No, what you say there does not make sense, nor does it align with Scripture even about the difference between men in the flesh today with those in Christ vs. those who refuse Him! Do you understand my statement about that? If you do not, then maybe you should re-study what being 'born again' of The Spirit is about that our Lord Jesus taught in John 3. You might also go back to Luke 16 and study up on the example of Lazarus and the rich man which Jesus gave, and also what He taught in the Matt.25 chapter about the separation between His sheep and the goats. You sound like a new babe, never having even read those Scriptures. Might look at the parable our Lord Jesus also gave about the one who tried to sneak into the wedding feast without a wedding garment that was then cast to the outer darkness.

The "first resurrection" is ONLY about those in Christ Jesus who overcame in Him, of both the OT and NT saints. It's about His elect who were not deceived, and remained faithful. It is NOT about those who professed Christ but then later fell away from Him to do iniquity like those who will say to Him, "Lord, Lord..." (Luke 13).

And resurrection of damnation means to be damned. Not to be taught Gods ways that's not being damned that is a blessing . But I see you hold the doctrine you been taught by man, cause if I had to bet you believe the one's that's cast in the lake of fire just get burned up and are no more instead of getting tormented for ever.

The "resurrection of damnation" is about being in a 'liable to perish' condition, still subject to the later "second death". That's what it means per God's Word, especially per Rev.20:6. But obviously, some like yourself want to try and re-define its meaning that does not align with that Scripture!

What YOU believe on the matter is from men and not God's Word!

There is NO destruction of those of the "resurrection of damnation" at Christ Jesus' second coming! Those of them that go into the "lake of fire" doesn't occur until the day of God's Great White Throne Judgment, and that is AFTER the "thousand years" of Rev.20 if you can read!

Instead, our Lord Jesus declares just the opposite of your men's doctrinal belief, (I refer to John 5:28-29 Scripture, and the Rev.20 evidence, and many other Scriptures like I quoted), which are Scriptures that you REJECT!

You do that rejecting of the written Scripture just so you can follow your OWN traditions, just like what the scribes and Pharisees did at Jesus' first coming!
 
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NoHype you keep referring to John:28-29 . You say that this is the same time period . It say's in verse 28 the hour is coming , that is not saying when. It let us know in verse 29
Resurrection of life= first resurrection
Resurrection of damnation = second resurrection
Unless you want to add to his word and say that there is a third resurrection.
There is two resurrection and in John5:29 this is what they are called , just like in Act24:15 it tells what kind of resurrection they shall be .
If you say the two resurrection are at the same time you make them one. And if one then the wicked had part in the first.
And if you say its not the same ,then you got two resurrection's at his coming, then you got to add a third one in there after the thousand years when the rest of the dead live again
Cause for them to live again they have to be resurrected. Which makes three resurrection, then if you do that , you are adding to the scripture's.

Reject that John 5:28-29 Scripture from my Lord Jesus all you want; won't do you any good though, because it will always stand in the way of the doctrines of men that you have chosen to believe on instead. You may or may not come to this Truth before Jesus returns, but I can assure you there will be a time when you will fully admit and understand it. What you have written above has little if anything to do with what I have stated, and that is all a false witness you're doing. But I guess that is... what you as a follower of men and not of God's Word are taught to do!
 
NoHype first of all I don't reject any scriptures. I reject to what you try to make them say . You seem to thing you are right and everyone else is wrong. But this is for sure I won't ,,hear me well , I won't have to believe your false believes cause you are wrong in the things you say. Anyway far as me being a babe that's OK I have had the Holy Ghost for 30 years. You need to read Luke10:21 , but you probably wouldn,t understand that neither You have harden your heart to the truth because you think you know it all , but I say let the Lord judge between you , and me . And yet have mercy when one or the other confess's to the truth.
 
NoHype first of all I don't reject any scriptures. I reject to what you try to make them say . You seem to thing you are right and everyone else is wrong. But this is for sure I won't ,,hear me well , I won't have to believe your false believes cause you are wrong in the things you say. Anyway far as me being a babe that's OK I have had the Holy Ghost for 30 years. You need to read Luke10:21 , but you probably wouldn,t understand that neither You have harden your heart to the truth because you think you know it all , but I say let the Lord judge between you , and me . And yet have mercy when one or the other confess's to the truth.

My discussion with you was over with my previous post, and that because of your bearing false witness with saying I said things I never said.
 
NoHype--Why did Apostle Paul declare a "hope" for those of the resurrection of the "unjust" per the Acts 24:15 Scripture? I assure you, Paul did not mean his "hope" for them to mean a hope of their destruction, but a hope that at least some of them might believe on Christ Jesus and be saved in that time!

at NoHype...that is not what Paul is saying in Acts 24:15. What you claim is a great stretch of the mind!!! The best way to understand Holy Scripture is to remain in context!!! Paul's hope was...there would be a resurrection of the just and the unjust. According to Psalm 1:5, the unrighteous, which are the unjust, shall not stand in the judgment...that is the judgment of the righteous.

Therefore, The Judgment of the Righteous...does not occur on the same day as the judgment of the unrighteous. The Righteous stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ, Romans 14:10 and the unrighteous stand before the Great White Throne of Judgment, Revelation 20:11-15.
 
NoHype--Why did Apostle Paul declare a "hope" for those of the resurrection of the "unjust" per the Acts 24:15Scripture? I assure you, Paul did not mean his "hope" for them to mean a hope of their destruction, but a hope that at least some of them might believe on Christ Jesus and be saved in that time!

at NoHype...that is not what Paul is saying in Acts 24:15. What you claim is a great stretch of the mind!!! The best way to understand Holy Scripture is to remain in context!!! Paul's hope was...there would be a resurrection of the just and the unjust. According to Psalm 1:5, the unrighteous, which are the unjust, shall not stand in the judgment...that is the judgment of the righteous.

Therefore, The Judgment of the Righteous...does not occur on the same day as the judgment of the unrighteous. The Righteous stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ, Romans 14:10 and the unrighteous stand before the Great White Throne of Judgment, Revelation 20:11-15.

Are you really paying attention to what you're writing?

Acts 24
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

15And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

So what you say is, that Apostle Paul's "hope toward God" that there would be a resurrection of the "unjust" also, JUST SO THEY CAN GO INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE AND PERISH?!?

You truly do not understand God's Ways...

2 Pet.3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


Furthermore, the Ps.1 Scripture is simply about the wicked who refuse Christ perishing in the "lake of fire". The idea of 'standing' is meant in the upright (righteousness) sense, i.e., they will not stand in righteousness when they are judged. That's it.
 
I think they are Moses (representing The Law) and Elijah (representing the Prophets). We don't really know exactly who they are as it could be Elijah and Enoch.

The reason some believe they are Elijah and Enoch is because they never died.

Couldn't be Moses....Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Moses died. Enoch did not die....who else did not die?
 
Couldn't be Moses....Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Moses died. Enoch did not die....who else did not die?
How many times did Lazarus die? Or the widows son?
 
How many times did Lazarus die? Or the widows son?

Lazarus died twice....It was a time of teaching you know....There was a man who had fallen sick. His name was El‘azar, and he came from Beit-Anyah, the village where Miryam and her sister Marta lived. 2 (This Miryam, whose brother El‘azar had become sick, is the one who poured perfume on the Lord and wiped his feet with her hair.) 3 So the sisters sent a message to Yeshua, “Lord, the man you love is sick.” 4 On hearing it, he said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory, so that the Son of God may receive glory through it.”
 
Lazarus died twice....It was a time of teaching you know....There was a man who had fallen sick. His name was El‘azar, and he came from Beit-Anyah, the village where Miryam and her sister Marta lived. 2 (This Miryam, whose brother El‘azar had become sick, is the one who poured perfume on the Lord and wiped his feet with her hair.) 3 So the sisters sent a message to Yeshua, “Lord, the man you love is sick.” 4 On hearing it, he said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory, so that the Son of God may receive glory through it.”
Ah, ok. So not once.

I believe I would agree with you on that.
 
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