Shocking Youth Message Stuns Hearers

[Richie]

The thing is this makes me very depressed yes I can hold my hands up and say am the worst Christian EVER and I mean that I must be right at the bottom of the pile and to be honest this video really hurt me because it cast all of the hope out of my heart.

Am a bad person I try to turn away from Sin but I keep doing bad things and believe me I do try and always afterwards I feel so so so so BAD but it seems like this is the way am always going to be.

Before anyone replies to my post saying your not trying hard enough or God will help you please don't trust me you have no idea each individual is different and this is super hard for me and I have tried a million times and fail.

This video was harsh in that it's given me the view in what the heck is the point because I thought feeling as bad as I did and sorry as I do would some what let God forgive me because he knows the hurt and pain I feel in my heart and he knows I am truly sorry.

But now I feel all hope is lost and there is not a single point in me being a Christian because am going to hell anyway :S

Thanks for this video I think it took all hope I ever had in my life out of it and has really hurt me, am not saying it isn't the truth am saying it is the truth and I suppose I know it no one can take it away what can I say I don't want to go to hell but I am going there so thats that

Rick

Dear Rickeo,

No matter what you have done, there is no sin so great that cannot be forgiven. He is capable of restoring everything you lost (no matter physical or spiritual). We are all sinners and we do deserve to go to hell, but it is by His blood that we are made right in His sight. We cannot claim ourselves to be sinless in any matter.

You will not go to hell, God doesn't want anyone to go to hell because He loves you.

God bless you.

 

[ushalk]

this is true, there is no sin to great to be forgiven. however repentance is feeling sorrow from the sins you have committed against our lord and turning away from those things.

call upon the lord and he will deliver you from these things. some he takes his time with and others he delivers you from right away. but the thing is quit trying on your own and tell him you need his help.

 

[squidget]

i agree ushalk there is a "fluff" or as my old pastor ( now retired and mentor puts it hugs and kisses preaching ) has even grown in poularity in australia .
i was with a church member last week that left during a sermon because they " were not going to sit through a service while condemnation is being put on them " . i asked why they felt convicted i sat through the same service and was revived as it was more like a confirmation that the path i personally am treading is the right one ( the preacher had noidea of my walk ) .
too many people in church want the "rewards and the 100 fold returns " that gets preached and a reward is ok to strive for but to get a reward one must WORK !! opps sorry to many that is listed in the offencive catagory isnt it .
whatever we do MUST primarily be to give JESUS honour
proverbs 3;9 says
honour the LORD with thy SUBSTANCE ,and with the firstfruits of th increase.
ive heard this preaceh many times as a part of offerings time but if we look at the start of this verce , we are to honour the LORD with our substance ................... what is our substance ? its what makes us us our spirit , and if we have the HOLY SPIRIT within us then if our spirit is off track the HOLY SPIRIT is there to bringus back on course ..
our substance if we truley look at it isnt ours anyway as we were created as a new creature once we were saved so all we have is the LORDS .

PRAISE GOD for good solid nononcence preachers like this and may there be a rising of more mighty men of GOD that will preach nononsence but the purity of GODS word .

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Re: Shocking Youth Message

But now I feel all hope is lost and there is not a single point in me being a Christian because am going to hell anyway.

Rickeo:

As a member of AA, I've learned to "Take what you can use and leave the rest" when it comes to things people say at AA meetings and elsewhere (including Southern Baptist youth group conventions, which is where Washer's message was recorded).

I have to pray for discernment when I listen to such messages, because I know my spiritual walk and, therefore, I know that not every point the preacher makes is going to apply directly to me.

It appears to me that you need to spend more time studying the New Testament so that your faith will be on firm footing.

SLE

 

[Richie]

Rickeo:

As a member of AA, I've learned to "Take what you can use and leave the rest" when it comes to things people say at AA meetings and elsewhere (including Southern Baptist youth group conventions, which is where Washer's message was recorded).

I have to pray for discernment when I listen to such messages, because I know my spiritual walk and, therefore, I know that not every point the preacher makes is going to apply directly to me.

It appears to me that you need to spend more time studying the New Testament so that your faith will be on firm footing.

SLE

Dear Brother SpiritLedEd,

If you don't mind could you please tell me what is AA? Our dear brother Rickeo is shaken up a lot, I have seen some of his posts, let us encourage him together.

God bless you.

 

[wiggles]

Thank you Chad

I am so glad that you sent me this video. I could not stop watching it. It is making me think about my Christian walk. Before I even started to watch it I knew I wanted to get closer to the Lord. I hope that everyone that watches this video will be drawn closer to the Lord. Again thank you very much and may God bless you and your family. :thumbs_up

 

[choy]

hi rickeo. i once felt the same as you do. i thought i'd never kick sin from my system. it looked so impossible. but one day i did. that was when i met Jesus face to face. that's the time i kicked out man's religion from my life. meeting Jesus face to face is more than "accepting" Him. we begin to really live His LIFE. "it's not i who live but Christ who lives in me." the reason i couldn't kick sin off me was because i was still full of myself. all i thought was how weak i was. the more you care for your ego (flesh) the more you make it strong. so i decided never to feed my ego. it died. dead people never sin. so we must die to ourselves and start allowing Jesus to live our lives. you'd see that a holy life can be lived without much effort.

 

[joshuamclean]

While I was reading the article.. a verse hit my head: "I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven." I've always wondered what that meant, and now I do. I think he was referring to the narrow path.

Children are willing to learn..

God can't disciple a person who is not willing to learn...

 

[alexo]

Tonya, thank you...the simpleness of your msg inspired me.

Chad, thank you. Thanks for taking the time to do what you do. I just read all the above posts and wanted to comment. The msg by Paul Washer is one that I heard recently and was challenged by and so I was glad when you sent it out to all. I think mainstream christianity definitely needs to hear more msgs like that simply because the Kingdom of God is truly at hand!

(In reply to comments by cnkale80)From what I understand this is a Christian website and whatever is posted is meant to encourage and challenge Christians, not neccessarily reach "non believers." I dont think that anything Chad said made it seem like we were going to hell if we didnt listen to it, I think he was challenged by it and that it was came across in what he wrote.

Im not sure if you meant chad was 'bible bashing' or the preacher itself...but what we have to realise is the gospel is not just sweet, sweet, sweet, it is ALSO harsh,ppl will go to hell without Jesus...there's no way of getting around that, harsh as it may be. its the truth...just like you will surely die if you jump out of a plane without a parachute. Talking about harsh preachers...I don't think there has been none more harsh than Jesus himself (if you read wholly the gospels)

Chad, I did think your response was agressive...even though I agree that the comment said to you was misjudged, you atacked a sister/brother in Christ. from reading your response, I would not have been able to tell that it was a Christian responding (had I not known better). So all I'm saying is be a bit more graceful in responding to criticism next time bro.

God bless you all brothers and sisters, lets remember that we are a body! Shalom.

 

[Chad]

Chad, I did think your response was agressive...even though I agree that the comment said to you was misjudged, you atacked a sister/brother in Christ. from reading your response, I would not have been able to tell that it was a Christian responding (had I not known better). So all I'm saying is be a bit more graceful in responding to criticism next time bro.

I'm not here to be criticized. Had you known what the "one post wonder" second (now deleted) post was and his email a couple of days ago was to me which no one has read, then you'd understand. But people here got it all figured out right? I mean, you somehow did not know I was a Christian based on one reply I made, yet you see the forum in whole and still thanked me for sending out the video. Rather a strange set of emotions.

I'm not obligated to be criticized by people here. That's not even my position here nor is anyone higher than the next, including me. So I don't need to sit here trying to help others while being mocked by the next guy who made just one post total, just to mock me. They need to find a new hobby. You my brother need to be cautious of your opinions and views of others when your lacking total knowledge of the situation. You see one, but not the other.

There are many people here (who I am thankful for) that defended me again those two first members that posted (both being one post members). Read this entire thread and you'll know what I'm talking about. They said it better than even I can say it.

 

[Deeper]

I'm not here to be criticized. Had you known what the "one post wonder" second (now deleted) post was and his email a couple of days ago was to me which no one has read, then you'd understand. But people here got it all figured out right? I mean, you somehow did not know I was a Christian based on one reply I made, yet you see the forum in whole and still thanked me for sending out the video. Rather a strange set of emotions.

I'm not obligated to be criticized by people here. That's not even my position here nor is anyone higher than the next, including me. So I don't need to sit here trying to help others while being mocked by the next guy who made just one post total, just to mock me. They need to find a new hobby. You my brother need to be cautious of your opinions and views of others when your lacking total knowledge of the situation. You see one, but not the other.

There are many people here (who I am thankful for) that defended me again those two first members that posted (both being one post members). Read this entire thread and you'll know what I'm talking about. They said it better than even I can say it.

First of all, you did absolutely nothing wrong and your response was fine. It read perfectly Christ-like to me as an 18 year old. What is surprising is the older generation, who are supposed to be an example to us "adolescence" yet the older generation barely taps into what being Christ like really is. Not all, merely some. Chad, is a great example to the younger generation not settling for a lukewarm gospel preached by non offensive preachers.

It's not enough nor does it come close to perfect the message spoken by Paul Washer followed by the comments made by Chad, however, the zeal of God was flowing throughout their words. I say, have discernment and start acting upon the conviction that comes from watching the video instead of having pride arise and brushing the Holy Spirit's words telling us to change while exchanging a few words in disagreement with what was being said.

Chad, don't stop what your doing. God is with you just like He will always be.

 

[joshuamclean]

Chad, don't stop what your doing. God is with you just like He will always be.

I agree with Deeper.

"Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God." - Acts 5:38-39

Obviously it's from God.

 

[Ado]

Than you

I would like to thank you for the video.
I am going to be the difference. Now I clearly understand what Jesus said in that part of the bible, and I am going to obey him -at any cost-.

 

[sempurai]

the understanding of the cross

i watched the video 2 times. it seems this preacher felt blessed born as a christian. But i kept on arguing what happen if he was born as an hindu? or muslim? no one can say "i am so blessed" if born to be Christians. Gaining the whole world or convert throughout this world is not enough if we continue to abuse the Scriptures to knock peoples head.

Self ignorance and pride of religious act can be destructive in ourself. Yes, it is true that we are justified by our faith. But we are born in this world as a sinner. No one is righteous in this world. That mean that we have no right to justify what people believe and condemn people's cross.

i am also evangelical Christian. Even i can speak in tongue, win convert among pagan friends gives counseling to younger teen but if i justifiy what they wear.. we keeping destroy what do they believe.

I am also trying to emphasize the understanding why Christian ornament like Cross? Cross was a symbol of a shameful death of a criminal by Gentiles and Curse to the Jews. Those who carry out the this symbol will be hated and laughed to scorn. No one will believe that God would died for our sins. We need to remember that we cannot just relying on the theology of glory all the times

The theology of suffering is so important so that we carry this mark not only annointing of the cross in our heart, but visibilty in the eyes through all nation that we are also a shameful nature of human being.

That death of Christ is a powerful divine grace which given to ALL people of the earth. If he is a Muslim but yet accept Jesus as their true saviour, he is saved because he have faith, if he is a pagan but yet he love jesus so much and worship him with myrr and incense, his faith is justified by his love.

the thesis 20 of Martin Luther who is our founder of the reformation church wrote that it is our turn to suffer the mark of suffering of Christ. Both visible and invisible mark of the cross. Here Luther present
Luke 23:28 as a key that we also as a children must carry the Cross of Christ. Cross is a symbolic of suffering both visible and invisible.

do not jump into conclusion by condemning others faith. If we keep continue to justify others, we are making war against God. Because all authority and justification is belong to Him. Human has no right to judge other human what he believe and faith that brings inside in.

For the Cross is my Banner and my Badge both Visible and Invisible to
Satan and for Nation of different ethnic.

 

[ibuado]

i watched the video 2 times. it seems this preacher felt blessed born as a christian. But i kept on arguing what happen if he was born as an hindu? or muslim? no one can say "i am so blessed" if born to be Christians. Gaining the whole world or convert throughout this world is not enough if we continue to abuse the Scriptures to knock peoples head.

Self ignorance and pride of religious act can be destructive in ourself. Yes, it is true that we are justified by our faith. But we are born in this world as a sinner. No one is righteous in this world. That mean that we have no right to justify what people believe and condemn people's cross.

i am also evangelical Christian. Even i can speak in tongue, win convert among pagan friends gives counseling to younger teen but if i justifiy what they wear.. we keeping destroy what do they believe.

I am also trying to emphasize the understanding why Christian ornament like Cross? Cross was a symbol of a shameful death of a criminal by Gentiles and Curse to the Jews. Those who carry out the this symbol will be hated and laughed to scorn. No one will believe that God would died for our sins. We need to remember that we cannot just relying on the theology of glory all the times

The theology of suffering is so important so that we carry this mark not only annointing of the cross in our heart, but visibilty in the eyes through all nation that we are also a shameful nature of human being.

That death of Christ is a powerful divine grace which given to ALL people of the earth. If he is a Muslim but yet accept Jesus as their true saviour, he is saved because he have faith, if he is a pagan but yet he love jesus so much and worship him with myrr and incense, his faith is justified by his love.

the thesis 20 of Martin Luther who is our founder of the reformation church wrote that it is our turn to suffer the mark of suffering of Christ. Both visible and invisible mark of the cross. Here Luther present
Luke 23:28 as a key that we also as a children must carry the Cross of Christ. Cross is a symbolic of suffering both visible and invisible.

do not jump into conclusion by condemning others faith. If we keep continue to justify others, we are making war against God. Because all authority and justification is belong to Him. Human has no right to judge other human what he believe and faith that brings inside in.

For the Cross is my Banner and my Badge both Visible and Invisible to
Satan and for Nation of different ethnic.

if he is a muslim an accepts Jesus than he no longer is a muslim, he is a follower of Christ, a christian, same for if he is a pagan.
before constantine. christians used the fish as a symbol not the cross.

 

[Deeper]

i watched the video 2 times. it seems this preacher felt blessed born as a christian. But i kept on arguing what happen if he was born as an hindu? or muslim? no one can say "i am so blessed" if born to be Christians. Gaining the whole world or convert throughout this world is not enough if we continue to abuse the Scriptures to knock peoples head.

Self ignorance and pride of religious act can be destructive in ourself. Yes, it is true that we are justified by our faith. But we are born in this world as a sinner. No one is righteous in this world. That mean that we have no right to justify what people believe and condemn people's cross.

i am also evangelical Christian. Even i can speak in tongue, win convert among pagan friends gives counseling to younger teen but if i justifiy what they wear.. we keeping destroy what do they believe.

I am also trying to emphasize the understanding why Christian ornament like Cross? Cross was a symbol of a shameful death of a criminal by Gentiles and Curse to the Jews. Those who carry out the this symbol will be hated and laughed to scorn. No one will believe that God would died for our sins. We need to remember that we cannot just relying on the theology of glory all the times

The theology of suffering is so important so that we carry this mark not only annointing of the cross in our heart, but visibilty in the eyes through all nation that we are also a shameful nature of human being.

That death of Christ is a powerful divine grace which given to ALL people of the earth. If he is a Muslim but yet accept Jesus as their true saviour, he is saved because he have faith, if he is a pagan but yet he love jesus so much and worship him with myrr and incense, his faith is justified by his love.

the thesis 20 of Martin Luther who is our founder of the reformation church wrote that it is our turn to suffer the mark of suffering of Christ. Both visible and invisible mark of the cross. Here Luther present
Luke 23:28 as a key that we also as a children must carry the Cross of Christ. Cross is a symbolic of suffering both visible and invisible.

do not jump into conclusion by condemning others faith. If we keep continue to justify others, we are making war against God. Because all authority and justification is belong to Him. Human has no right to judge other human what he believe and faith that brings inside in.

For the Cross is my Banner and my Badge both Visible and Invisible to
Satan and for Nation of different ethnic.

Your words are a little confusing as you don't quite make a concrete point. First, he never claimed to be born Christian. Christian literally means "Follower of Christ." you can't be born "follower of Christ." you have to make the decision to follow Christ. No one person automatically knows Christ from birth, for all have sinned and all were born into sin. Paul Washer NEVER made that claim so for you to make a judgment call and base your whole disagreement on that made up thought is just a waste of your post. I don't want to be rude, however even worldly Christians don't understand the video.

I suggest you read this man's testimony, and you see for yourself who he is and what he's been through before you make passive statements. You don't even know him, I suggest you pull the plank out of your eye before you pull the speck out of his. I say that with humility as your words convey you know nothing of the man whom you condemn.

I would not want to be counseled by you, or anyone who would tell me living in sin is ok. I was a porn addict for 8 years (I am 18, you do the math...started at 7 went to 15) This message was the catalyst to my salvation. Those who have an ear let him hear. God was speaking through him. I suggest you read Jonah and read what he put. You would highly disagree with his means of warning people. How about Jesus Himself. He took a bull whip and started overturning tables. I am sure you would disagree with Him doing that too.

I don't agree and will refute your words because you bring false truth, if you understand what I am saying. You say that no one is allowed to call sin sin and help someone out who is sinning. I would love to hear you tell that to Paul, Peter, Jesus, John, James, Timothy. They would all rebuke more than likely, and again I say all this with humility in hopes that you would come to and understand that it's not about judging another human but about doing what Jude says and that is saving them with fear hating even the garment defiled by the sin.

We are able to know the Truth, that which is 100% absolute. We are told the the Word is Truth and those who abide in the Word will know that Truth and that Truth will set them free. Paul Washer, not God, but a man used by God to do His will and communicate His heart spoke the Truth of the Word of God. For you to say otherwise would be a mistake.

I want to challenge everyone reading. Do you read your Bible everyday? tell me, or don't tell me but think about it. Do you read your Bible everyday? if the answer is no, then you don't know the WHOLE truth but merely part of it, for in abiding in His word you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free.

We are told to DENY ourselves, the lust of the flesh the eyes and the pride of life, take up our HEAVY cross and FOLLOW Him. Deny, Take up, and Follow. Jesus said the Way is HARD and NARROW that leads to life and FEW find it. He was not wrong. Paul was quoting Jesus perfectly but for those who don't know the word, they get offended and they think and believe not what Scripture says, but what sounds good to them.

In Him,
Sky









Just to note: I am a counselor for teen guys who have sexual addictions. So I am going to give you statistics on why I "judge" (as you call it) and then try and help out other teens:

Luke 6 says

37 “Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.”
39 And He spoke a parable to them: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch? 40 A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher. 41 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye? 42 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother’s eye.

Check out that scripture. If I remove my issue first, then I will see clearly to help my brother? that's odd, isn't that judging. no, no it's not. read the scripture again and you will see how it's not judging after that's Jesus telling us that we will be able to see clearly to remove the speck in our brother's eye once we've dealt with the plank in our own. Now it's time for statistics.

51% of pastors say cyber-porn is a possible temptation. 37% say it is a current struggle (Christianity Today, Leadership Survey, 12/2001).

Over half of evangelical pastors admits viewing pornography last year.

Roger Charman of Focus on the Family's Pastoral Ministries reports that approximately 20 percent of the calls received on their Pastoral Care Line are for help with issues such as pornography and compulsive sexual behavior.

In a 2000 Christianity Today survey, 33% of clergy admitted to having visited a sexually explicit Web site. Of those who had visited a porn site, 53% had visited such sites “a few times” in the past year, and 18% visit sexually explicit sites between a couple of times a month and more than once a week.

29% of born again adults in the U.S. feel it is morally acceptable to view movies with explicit sexual behavior (The Barna Group).

57% of pastors say that addiction to pornography is the most sexually damaging issue to their congregation (Christians and Sex Leadership Journal Survey, March 2005).

Yep, I guess it's not my place to help my brothers and sisters out. Christians use the word "you judger" and "stop judging me" and "don't judge" or "you can't judge them" or "your judging" way to much. Most have no clue as to what they are saying and what scripture says. I will say it again to all reading, know your scripture before commenting.

 

[ibuado]

Your words are a little confusing as you don't quite make a concrete point. First, he never claimed to be born Christian. Christian literally means "Follower of Christ." you can't be born "follower of Christ." you have to make the decision to follow Christ. No one person automatically knows Christ from birth, for all have sinned and all were born into sin. Paul Washer NEVER made that claim so for you to make a judgment call and base your whole disagreement on that made up thought is just a waste of your post. I don't want to be rude, however even worldly Christians don't understand the video.

I suggest you read this man's testimony, and you see for yourself who he is and what he's been through before you make passive statements. You don't even know him, I suggest you pull the plank out of your eye before you pull the speck out of his. I say that with humility as your words convey you know nothing of the man whom you condemn.

I would not want to be counseled by you, or anyone who would tell me living in sin is ok. I was a porn addict for 8 years (I am 18, you do the math...started at 7 went to 15) This message was the catalyst to my salvation. Those who have an ear let him hear. God was speaking through him. I suggest you read Jonah and read what he put. You would highly disagree with his means of warning people. How about Jesus Himself. He took a bull whip and started overturning tables. I am sure you would disagree with Him doing that too.

I don't agree and will refute your words because you bring false truth, if you understand what I am saying. You say that no one is allowed to call sin sin and help someone out who is sinning. I would love to hear you tell that to Paul, Peter, Jesus, John, James, Timothy. They would all rebuke more than likely, and again I say all this with humility in hopes that you would come to and understand that it's not about judging another human but about doing what Jude says and that is saving them with fear hating even the garment defiled by the sin.

We are able to know the Truth, that which is 100% absolute. We are told the the Word is Truth and those who abide in the Word will know that Truth and that Truth will set them free. Paul Washer, not God, but a man used by God to do His will and communicate His heart spoke the Truth of the Word of God. For you to say otherwise would be a mistake.

I want to challenge everyone reading. Do you read your Bible everyday? tell me, or don't tell me but think about it. Do you read your Bible everyday? if the answer is no, then you don't know the WHOLE truth but merely part of it, for in abiding in His word you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free.

We are told to DENY ourselves, the lust of the flesh the eyes and the pride of life, take up our HEAVY cross and FOLLOW Him. Deny, Take up, and Follow. Jesus said the Way is HARD and NARROW that leads to life and FEW find it. He was not wrong. Paul was quoting Jesus perfectly but for those who don't know the word, they get offended and they think and believe not what Scripture says, but what sounds good to them.

In Him,
Sky









Just to note: I am a counselor for teen guys who have sexual addictions. So I am going to give you statistics on why I "judge" (as you call it) and then try and help out other teens:

Luke 6 says


Check out that scripture. If I remove my issue first, then I will see clearly to help my brother? that's odd, isn't that judging. no, no it's not. read the scripture again and you will see how it's not judging after that's Jesus telling us that we will be able to see clearly to remove the speck in our brother's eye once we've dealt with the plank in our own. Now it's time for statistics.



Yep, I guess it's not my place to help my brothers and sisters out. Christians use the word "you judger" and "stop judging me" and "don't judge" or "you can't judge them" or "your judging" way to much. Most have no clue as to what they are saying and what scripture says. I will say it again to all reading, know your scripture before commenting.

I agree with Deeper

agreed

 

[sempurai]

Hope you could point your eyes to my flag symbol on the left. I come from muslim country, my national language is sound arabic. And continuing to knock people head using scripture is the one of the bad faith of the person.

Here is my background, not to be say lucky to become Christian because i had to workout away from Islam influence. What happen if my bible intrepetation is Allah and Isa Sayyidna Al-Massih? Even i had a class called Tassawuf Islam (basic teaching of Islam). Even i also volunteered myself in the Jawi (Arabic lesson) class in the age 17.

that age 17 is the most vulnerable age. I remember my catechism class which my parent worry that i become Muslim. I remember one of the teaching "-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling for it is Allah work's in you to will and to act according his good purpose (Phil 2:12-13).

I see Jesus as a Great Prophet and Great High Priest which is surpasses prophet Elijah and Prophet Musa. He show love and compassion and giving hope for us all in resurrection. This perfection is
only perform only by Christ which Paul the apostle noted as Second Adam.

Did i say continous sinning is fine? NO! We cannot jump into conclusion
by saying that "this priest is sinning". But happen if those who are commit suicide? Are they judge into hell? Again we see Judas the one who betray Jesus? Is Judas 100% go to hell? (John 21:22).

The faith is not limited to the heart only, but also to the head. Knowing the truth is not sufficient if we not apply it with wisdom. Feeling blessed is not enough by knocking peoples head. Radical faith can also lead into religious zealous.

Even the Jews who crucified Christ is Jewish religious zealous act. A lesson from the reformation Church also show how Calvinism also can be turn out to be failure for creating a perfect Christianity. If Paul Washer adopted this Calvin's teaching (predestination) there is a weak point because one person's salvation is cannot be justified by saying "he is destine by God to what he had done."

continous repent and denying our self-righteousness is the only way we can seek mercy to God. Again this is the mark of both visible and invisible Cross we need to carry.

We cannot expect a perfect faith from other. Because we are still affected with the bodily weakness and sins in mind. The death of Christ is to release us from being victim of Sin.So it is up to a person to exercise his/her faith to God.

By the way, forgive me if there is some harshness of word i presented,
even come from diffrent culture which color our faith,we still share the
love of Christ and faith is to be put in action.

to conclude, i give one of proverb from my muslim teacher which that time i was not a christian before, in the age 17;

"have we not know we are all created by God as brother?
cut a small cut on your thumb, does it show blood?
even thousand nation shared this same blood, are we all brothers?

[Malaysian translation; still has arabic influence]
"pernahkah saudara seiman tahu yang Allah cipta sebagai saudara?
potong sedikit pada telunjuk ibu jari kamu, darah ditunjukkan?
terdapat seribu bangsa kongsi darah yang sama, adakah ini menunjukkan kita semua saudara seiman?

Thx for the comment Deeper! ^_^

Love,Love,Love- beauty of trinity

 

[Chad]

" I see Jesus as a Great Prophet and Great High Priest which is surpasses prophet Elijah and Prophet Musa"

Jesus is not a prophet, He is the Son of GOD. You can view as you wish all you want, it does not authorize it to be true. The Holy Bible is the only divine book from the only GOD, the GOD of the Holy Bible.

Read the sticky threads in this forum:
Evidence, Prophecy, Facts - Talk Jesus

Check this out:
http://www.talkjesus.com/evidence-prophecy-facts/7726-messianic-prophecies-list.html

Jesus is GOD in the flesh, human form - not a "prophet".

 

[Faithful Son]

I just finished watching the Paul Washer Sermon and I came to a few conclusions, most of them are about myself. I mentioned earlier there are areas in my life where I still fail and mostly after watching that clip I realised to stop giving a flying feather what other Christians or people think of my Christianity. Mainly, does Jesus know me? That stood out for me, I can't profess to know Jesus if I'm not even sure if He knows me.

I prayed after watching the video clip, a prayer to God and I asked Him to show me scripture where I can stop with my foul language, God decided differently however and He completely confirmed Paul Washer's message to me by showing me the following Scripture. I did not need to look twice or three times, as my nature has it in certain circumstances, I ask God a question and He answers me straightforward. This is what God showed me:

Ezekiel 18

Judged According to the Way You Live

1-2 God's Message to me: "What do you people mean by going around the country repeating the saying,
The parents ate green apples,
The children got the stomachache? 3-4 "As sure as I'm the living God, you're not going to repeat this saying in Israel any longer. Every soul—man, woman, child—belongs to me, parent and child alike. You die for your own sin, not another's.

5-9 "Imagine a person who lives well, treating others fairly, keeping good relationships—
doesn't eat at the pagan shrines,
doesn't worship the idols so popular in Israel,
doesn't seduce a neighbor's spouse,
doesn't indulge in casual sex,
doesn't bully anyone,
doesn't pile up bad debts,
doesn't steal,
doesn't refuse food to the hungry,
doesn't refuse clothing to the ill-clad,
doesn't exploit the poor,
doesn't live by impulse and greed,
doesn't treat one person better than another,
But lives by my statutes and faithfully
honors and obeys my laws.

This person who lives upright and well
shall live a full and true life.
Decree of God, the Master.

10-13 "But if this person has a child who turns violent and murders and goes off and does any of these things, even though the parent has done none of them—

eats at the pagan shrines,
seduces his neighbor's spouse,
bullies the weak,
steals,
piles up bad debts,
admires idols,
commits outrageous obscenities,
exploits the poor
"—do you think this person, the child, will live? Not a chance! Because he's done all these vile things, he'll die. And his death will be his own fault.

14-17 "Now look: Suppose that this child has a child who sees all the sins done by his parent. The child sees them, but doesn't follow in the parent's footsteps—

doesn't eat at the pagan shrines,
doesn't worship the popular idols of Israel,
doesn't seduce his neighbor's spouse,
doesn't bully anyone,
doesn't refuse to loan money,
doesn't steal,
doesn't refuse food to the hungry,
doesn't refuse to give clothes to the ill-clad,
doesn't live by impulse and greed,
doesn't exploit the poor.
He does what I say;
he performs my laws and lives by my statutes.

17-18 "This person will not die for the sins of the parent; he will live truly and well. But the parent will die for what the parent did, for the sins of—

oppressing the weak,
robbing brothers and sisters,
doing what is dead wrong in the community.

19-20 "Do you need to ask, 'So why does the child not share the guilt of the parent?'
"Isn't it plain? It's because the child did what is fair and right. Since the child was careful to do what is lawful and right, the child will live truly and well. The soul that sins is the soul that dies. The child does not share the guilt of the parent, nor the parent the guilt of the child. If you live upright and well, you get the credit; if you live a wicked life, you're guilty as charged.

21-23 "But a wicked person who turns his back on that life of sin and keeps all my statutes, living a just and righteous life, he'll live, really live. He won't die. I won't keep a list of all the things he did wrong. He will live. Do you think I take any pleasure in the death of wicked men and women? Isn't it my pleasure that they turn around, no longer living wrong but living right—really living?

24 "The same thing goes for a good person who turns his back on an upright life and starts sinning, plunging into the same vile obscenities that the wicked person practices. Will this person live? I don't keep a list of all the things this person did right, like money in the bank he can draw on. Because of his defection, because he accumulates sin, he'll die.

25-28 "Do I hear you saying, 'That's not fair! God's not fair!'?
"Listen, Israel. I'm not fair? You're the ones who aren't fair! If a good person turns away from his good life and takes up sinning, he'll die for it. He'll die for his own sin. Likewise, if a bad person turns away from his bad life and starts living a good life, a fair life, he will save his life. Because he faces up to all the wrongs he's committed and puts them behind him, he will live, really live. He won't die.

29 "And yet Israel keeps on whining, 'That's not fair! God's not fair.'
"I'm not fair, Israel? You're the ones who aren't fair.
30-32 "The upshot is this, Israel: I'll judge each of you according to the way you live. So turn around! Turn your backs on your rebellious living so that sin won't drag you down. Clean house. No more rebellions, please. Get a new heart! Get a new spirit! Why would you choose to die, Israel? I take no pleasure in anyone's death. Decree of God, the Master.

"Make a clean break! Live!"

I am not perfect and I know the sins of my family from reading that scripture does not influence my life, somehow still thought it had an effect on me.

I have growth to do and areas to look at, mostly, I need to stop fooling myself and actually start doing what God told me.

I hope you all can read what I posted and a catch a wake up, it's time to look at yourselves and ask God what needs to be done in your life.