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Shocking Youth Message Stuns Hearers

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Amen! I am glad we have people that are not afraid to preach like this. He made so many good points about our culture in the USA and the state of some of our Churches I would not know where to begin in discussing them. I was not shocked or offended at anything he said. I witness this every day I wake up and breathe.

To be honest I could relate very easily to what he was saying. I remember how I was in my youth group at Church and how differently I lived outside of Church. Sadly our "feel good" society has infected many of our Churches and not all of us hear what we need to. Clearly his message is not just for teens as it applies to all of us.

For those of you that did not like him raising his voice I think you missed one of his points about the original Hebrew text when they were trying to emphasize points in the Bible. There is nothing wrong with being loud if it means getting somebody's attention that otherwise is not hearing the Word!
 
I cannot say that I "enjoyed" the video; I found myself convicted by it. I gave up my lunch hour and then some to view/listen and found myself spending the remainder of the afternoon replaying parts in my mind.

Thanks for the "refresher course"!
 
So this style of preaching is interesting, and there's plenty of truth to what he says. At the same time, it's not a panacea- the Jonathan Edwards school of fire and brimstone packed churches with a sort of pornography of hell, but did not do much better at shaping the actions of parishioners. I'm not exactly sure about some of his points- his talk of obedience to parents and 'suggestive clothes' strikes me as off in two ways. First, he kind of goes light on the spiritual content of keeping Christ first in your heart and heavy on the SO DON'T YOU BE A HARLOT. I have to say, even if its not theologically replacing faith with works it functionally seems to do so. Second, I wonder if the talk about clothes isn't just reactionary conservatism (cultural, not political.) I mean, 200 years ago you'd be a HARLOT for wearing a skirt that shows your ankles. I'm pretty sure everyone here would find such a notion ridiculous. Now don't get me wrong- there are those who use clothes as a means to get attention and have replaced God with attention in their hearts. But its difficult not to get that 'you must dress a certain way to be saved' out of that sermon. Maybe that's not what he intended to convey, but the force of his absolutes strongly hints it.

That brings me to my second issue- too many absolutes. Now certainly there are absolutes in Christ- chief among them his forgiveness and salvation. But again I get the idea that perhaps his priorities are out of place. Instead of giving Christ as the absolute, he places lesser implications in the place of God (hey, this reminds me of Romans...) Just a thought exercise- Let's say your parents don't believe, or believe in some heresy, and forbid you to profess faith in Christ. What then is a good Christian to do? I think that the martyr Perpetua had it correctly- that the will of the Father has infinitely more force than the will of your father.

Perhaps I have been too harsh in my listening, if so I apologize. I certainly enjoyed listening and it gave me pause for profound thought.
 
Brother Chad

First of all thank you for taking time to send me email alert about this subject "shocking truth......
Before, I clicked the streaming video n using the headphone so as not to disturb the other noise. Sorry , I was a bit sleepy and working hard to listen ..and I turn it off to be continued on the next day, my eyes were drooping. The next day, there I found your email a wake up call talkjesus member.!!! And I'm done thru this...

I agreed the preacher and its very bold and true. Yes,indeed:thumbs_up.
A strong firm christian. His sermon helps a lot for the youth of today's generation not only for the youth but for all of us christians. I am very much aware of this topic also.. there are other are llike that too..the young adult and women the proper way of wearing in sunday church service ..It should be in control of our life in God.

Accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is not enough. Genuine christian need to keep growing toward spiritual maturity and Christlikeness. Walk in the straight pathway of life and not stumble..Discipline , be holy, read the word of God and obey His command.
" I have been crucified with Christ; its is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me." GALATIANS 2:20

ThanK you brother Chad, for posting that video . It s very practical and biblical.

God bless,
grace07
 
youth message rocks

I can barely watch more than 1o min. of this videw before getting excited...FINALLY someone has the boldness to publicly speak the truth about American Christianity today. I am also guilty of being lukewarm.. This message is a wake-up call to "Christians"...Petra sang of this, so did DC-talk...but their message died quickly...It is time for us to LIVE AS CHRIST LIVED AND CARE FOR NO OPINION BUT GOD'S...HEAL AND BELIEVE AND PREACH AND LOVE....for Jesus is soon to return for a PERFECT church
 
It is truly powerful message. I praised, God, for the privilege to watch it because I was encouraged all the more not to be intimidated in preaching boldly the Word of God about what true Christianity is all about and the heavy cost of being a followers of Christ. I was moved to tears by the message because I can emphatized with the preachers. Deep down inside I know that following Jesus Christ really mean a life of sorrows and sufferings. and only few will truly follow the footsteps of Jesus because it is only those who are truly the recipient of God's saving grace and mercy who will respond to the call of living a life of self-denial and sufferings. Unless we carry our own cross (of sufferings) we cannot truly be Christ' disciple. Thank you Brother Chad for sharing that powerful video-sermon with us.
 
So this style of preaching is interesting, and there's plenty of truth to what he says. At the same time, it's not a panacea- the Jonathan Edwards school of fire and brimstone packed churches with a sort of pornography of hell, but did not do much better at shaping the actions of parishioners. I'm not exactly sure about some of his points- his talk of obedience to parents and 'suggestive clothes' strikes me as off in two ways. First, he kind of goes light on the spiritual content of keeping Christ first in your heart and heavy on the SO DON'T YOU BE A HARLOT. I have to say, even if its not theologically replacing faith with works it functionally seems to do so. Second, I wonder if the talk about clothes isn't just reactionary conservatism (cultural, not political.) I mean, 200 years ago you'd be a HARLOT for wearing a skirt that shows your ankles. I'm pretty sure everyone here would find such a notion ridiculous. Now don't get me wrong- there are those who use clothes as a means to get attention and have replaced God with attention in their hearts. But its difficult not to get that 'you must dress a certain way to be saved' out of that sermon. Maybe that's not what he intended to convey, but the force of his absolutes strongly hints it.

You must realize that God and His word “is the same yesterday, today and forever.” I, being an 18 year old agree with what he’s saying. I’ve been a Christian for three years now. Your issue seems to be with the clothing. I would say you either felt convicted about it, or you dress in the manner in which he was speaking against and you had a problem with it. I was listening to Sean McDowell and he said something very good. “It doesn’t matter how you look at it, there are no subjective truths in the Bible.” In other words, if you say “well, that may be truth for you, but this is truth for me” you would be highly mistaken when it comes to the Bible.

We are told to live holy lives, worthy of repentance, to be in The Word daily. I love how Jesus said “Deny yourself.” Clothing is a big issue.

Girls get implants and dress just like the world. This is the thing. God says “don’t dress like that” but the world says “it’s ok” and so now the church has compromised and become lukewarm and said “this is ok.” Get my drift? God hasn’t changed what he said, man has. Sean McDowell made another good statement when he said “God’s Words and standards don’t change, man’s does.” In other words, God is the same yesterday today and forever and no deceit is found in Him. However, man changes. We change what we think (key word). God’s word is absolute, man tends to change God’s grace into lewdness.

Conclusion to first point: God doesn’t change His standard, but man changes his and in doing so perverts the Bible from saying “so and so is wrong” into “it’s ok now. Times have changed.” Times have changed, God has not. Let’s not forget.

That brings me to my second issue- too many absolutes. Now certainly there are absolutes in Christ- chief among them his forgiveness and salvation. But again I get the idea that perhaps his priorities are out of place. Instead of giving Christ as the absolute, he places lesser implications in the place of God (hey, this reminds me of Romans...) Just a thought exercise- Let's say your parents don't believe, or believe in some heresy, and forbid you to profess faith in Christ. What then is a good Christian to do? I think that the martyr Perpetua had it correctly- that the will of the Father has infinitely more force than the will of your father.

Perhaps I have been too harsh in my listening, if so I apologize. I certainly enjoyed listening and it gave me pause for profound thought.

You seem to have not finished your first paragraph here, so I will try and answer you as best I can. I think you missed the message of what Paul washer was saying and in doing so focused more on the clothing aspect and inferred a fire and brimstone preacher who really didn’t focus enough on God and more about the scriptures instead of hearing what he was saying. The crux of his entire message was living a life of holiness and repenting from our wicked ways and turning back to Christ. Why? Because not only does he see our hypocrisy as a Christian church but he sees that we are being fooled by Satan himself into thinking that we can live how we want when we want and because we said an utterance then lived a life of lawlessness, we think we can inherit eternal bliss.

No, I say. That is a falsity that has infiltrated the church. We water our churches down. My last statement is for you to read acts and look at who was martyred and why they were martyred. They were martyred because they spoke the truth and every time they spoke the truth it was with passion. Not subjective truth, but absolute objective truth. Why? We are told that we will know the truth if we abide in His word. If we can know the Truth (truth is 100% absolute not subjective) and that truth will set us free, then let’s be like the Bereans in Acts and study the scriptures rightly dividing the what? The word of Truth.


Paul Washer would be a martyr 2000 years ago. I want to speak boldly like that, like Paul, Stephen, Jesus.
 
Raised voice

Hi Torazon

I was the person who said I didn't like it when the Preacher raised his voice. Maybe it doesn't bother others but it really disturbs me and makes me switch off, contrary to what you said. He wasn't shouting like some do but he got close at times. I know a Preacher named David Pawson and he speaks normally and gently and I hear every word he says. He is a wonderful teacher, full of wisdom. I like John MacArthur, Derek Prince and David Jeremiah.

I also don't like music shows where I have to wear earplugs which seems to be the thing these days...noise pollution. A lot of our youth will have early deafness I think. I went to see Chuck Berry who is the grand age of 84 and I never put my earplugs in, the pitch was perfect. He's a real professional and must be very strong to still be touring.

I find noise very difficult.

I was very interested in the talk, he is a brave man. When was it recorded?
 
Hi Torazon

I was the person who said I didn't like it when the Preacher raised his voice. Maybe it doesn't bother others but it really disturbs me and makes me switch off, contrary to what you said. He wasn't shouting like some do but he got close at times. I know a Preacher named David Pawson and he speaks normally and gently and I hear every word he says. He is a wonderful teacher, full of wisdom. I like John MacArthur, Derek Prince and David Jeremiah.

I also don't like music shows where I have to wear earplugs which seems to be the thing these days...noise pollution. A lot of our youth will have early deafness I think. I went to see Chuck Berry who is the grand age of 84 and I never put my earplugs in, the pitch was perfect. He's a real professional and must be very strong to still be touring.

I find noise very difficult.

I was very interested in the talk, he is a brave man. When was it recorded?

I understand that some of us may not like things loud. I do think that sometimes people need to be hit over the head (turn up the volume) before they pay attention. I am not suggesting this is you, just that if turning up the volume helps bring even 1 person to God than I am all for it. Thank you for the reply and God bless you :)

Clothing - He was not saying we had to wear certain clothes to be saved. He was saying we need to be careful of what we wear. Do not wear clothing that reveals too much or causes others to stumble. Do not wear T-shirts with worldly writing on them.
 
I understand that some of us may not like things loud. I do think that sometimes people need to be hit over the head (turn up the volume) before they pay attention. I am not suggesting this is you, just that if turning up the volume helps bring even 1 person to God than I am all for it. Thank you for the reply and God bless you :)

Clothing - He was not saying we had to wear certain clothes to be saved. He was saying we need to be careful of what we wear. Do not wear clothing that reveals too much or causes others to stumble. Do not wear T-shirts with worldly writing on them.

Amen to both your responses to the other two members. No where did the preacher say NOR "sound" like he was saying you have to dress a certain way to be saved. However, do not expect GOD to smile down on you if your walking around revealing mostly flesh for attention, like a HARLOT.

You walk your way, your not saved. You walk with Christ then you'll be saved, transformed and will reflect the Holy Spirit in you - the light of Christ to others by your godly lifestyle.
 
The crux of his entire message was living a life of holiness and repenting from our wicked ways and turning back to Christ. Why? Because not only does he see our hypocrisy as a Christian church but he sees that we are being fooled by Satan himself into thinking that we can live how we want when we want and because we said an utterance then lived a life of lawlessness, we think we can inherit eternal bliss.

I agree... We must also remember that God is not only loving and forgiving, but He is also Holy an Just. As His children we ought to be holy as our Heavenly Father is.

We cannot compromise purity and holiness. No matter how simple something is, as the way we dress or talk, if the way you represent yourself doesn't reflect the Glory of God.. then... we better rethink things.

If you really are keeping Jesus first in your heart and is constantly filled by the Spirit, everything else will fall into place. And how do we know that we are living right for God? As the preacher said and as Jesus says, we'll know by the fruits. He kept bringing up the matter about the clothes and the like, because he was speaking to a youth group and that's usually the aspect where we fail to meet the standards of God. It was evidence of Faith. It will outwardly flow.
 
Thank you for message. Really convicting. I am His and yet I have areas of my life that He has been telling me to clean up and I was trying to ignore His warnings by trying to justify- after all I already obey in the other 85%, my dh doesn't lead us in any truth, etc. etc. What hogwash! I am responsible for my submission to my Father, I am the one who sins and is accountable to Him. Dear God-forgive me for worshipping myself, for putting myself before You. Thank you for speaking to me here and at church through dear, mature brothers and sisters. You are Truth, Lord. Thank you, Lord!
 
Thank you for sharing this and for the email, Chad. I haven't viewed or read it yet, but I've just downloaded the PDF file and will read it. Because I'm a person who learns English, written texts are much easier for me, especially things that require careful concentrating like this.
 
Our primary goal should not be to be saved, it should be... to glorify God by becoming like Christ. Our love of God should drive us to this. Very convicting message. :]
 
Well I only listened to a little of it. I didn't know there was a discussion about it...I just thought people posted what they thought. I believe works do not get people Saved...that if we don't do good works we can still be Saved, we just didn't do our job.
 
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None of your posts were deleted. You probably responded to the wrong thread.
 
I just listened to a little bit of it. I believe Salvation is a free gift, even if we do nothing we are still Saved. We didn't do our jobs, but we are Saved.

so what are you saying? that everyone is saved regardless of what we do?
 
I just listened to a little bit of it. I believe Salvation is a free gift, even if we do nothing we are still Saved. We didn't do our jobs, but we are Saved.

Our job is to reach the lost and not sit on our rears living the wordly ways. Our job is to preach and teach the Word. Our job is to glorify GOD in our lifestyle.

James 2:16-18

And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
 
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