Shocking Youth Message Stuns Hearers

[Deeper]

Wait wait, I'm not picking verses...I do not understand how faith and works go together...but the Bible does say Salvation is free. I guess I could post the verses if youd like.

I also never said I do not do works for God...I probably don't do enough, but I love God too much not to do them. I want some crowns to give back to Christ...I dont want to get to heaven empty-handed.

Ok, I see. Paul states that whoever confesses with his mouth and believes in his heart that Jesus is the Son of God, they will be saved. Most people think that this verse means "believe once" however the word believe is a continual thing. We believe (meaning currently, now, we are believing) that Jesus is the Son of God. Believe, Paul says, in the heart.

when someone denies Christ through their actions, they are denying what Christ said. Let me expound. "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (Matthew 7)

MANY! MANY are being deceived by the preachings of watered down, emergent, self seeking churches. Jesus Himself says that there will be those who call themselves Christians (see Matthew 7) and will say "LOOK God we did all these things in YOUR name" but He will say "Depart from me" that's a scary thought to know I have brothers and sisters who are being deceived weekly if not daily because of someone who told them they didn't have to live a life of holiness, but rather except this free gift because it's a one way ticket to eternity.

Jesus later says "The way is narrow and hard that which leads to life, few find it." In the actual scripture, as I was paraphrasing Jesus mentions that the road is narrow and so is the gate and that it's hard. What does that tell us, that we will have to battle, not to gain entrance but to maintain a life of godliness. this is backed up by Paul's teaching of working out our salvation through fear and trembling.

I hope that helps

 

[Deeper]

Is it in print form somewhere? Those are much easier for me to follow.

I believe it is look on the first page. However, you got to hear it to really get his compassion for those who are lost. either way, they are both on page one of this Topic.

 

[Chad]

Emily, did you look at the first post - my original post?

Video, Audio, PDF (text) versions available to watch and/or download. Get the PDF, print it out and spread it to others.

 

[emily445455]

yeah, idk, it still says it's free...if you have to do something then it's no longer free. I'll have to study it sometime.

Chad- I just clicked on the link you sent by email.

 

[Deeper]

yeah, idk, it still says it's free...if you have to do something then it's no longer free. I'll have to study it sometime.

Chad- I just clicked on the link you sent by email.

I want to point out and make clear that no where in the Original translations of the Bible does it say Salvation is free nor anything like it. Romans 6 says "For the wages of sinne is death: but the gift of God is eternall life, through Iesus Christ our Lord." God has offered us a gift, but man can reject a gift.

 

[emily445455]

Right, it's free if we accept it.

 

[Deeper]

Right, it's free if we accept it.

Did you read any of my replies? You must realize that it's free if we accept it like you said, but once we accept that gift, we are now to place our lives in the hands of the Savior and stop making ourselves Idols above God. The problem is, the grace of God has been turned into lewdness like Paul has said. Your words are an example of how the grace of God has been twisted to such an extent we are told we can live lawlessly once we accept this "free gift" from God to do and will as we please, yet we still inherit God's blessing. When the children of Israel turned against God, God did not allow them into the promised land. We are promised a land, that is heaven, and we will not inherit it if we turn away from God. Paul even states that many in the Old Testament are examples of what not to do. I will post again what I had put earlier:

Ok, I see. Paul states that whoever confesses with his mouth and believes in his heart that Jesus is the Son of God, they will be saved. Most people think that this verse means "believe once" however the word believe is a continual thing. We believe (meaning currently, now, we are believing) that Jesus is the Son of God. Believe, Paul says, in the heart.

when someone denies Christ through their actions, they are denying what Christ said. Let me expound. "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (Matthew 7)

MANY! MANY are being deceived by the preachings of watered down, emergent, self seeking churches. Jesus Himself says that there will be those who call themselves Christians (see Matthew 7) and will say "LOOK God we did all these things in YOUR name" but He will say "Depart from me" that's a scary thought to know I have brothers and sisters who are being deceived weekly if not daily because of someone who told them they didn't have to live a life of holiness, but rather except this free gift because it's a one way ticket to eternity.

Jesus later says "The way is narrow and hard that which leads to life, few find it." In the actual scripture, as I was paraphrasing Jesus mentions that the road is narrow and so is the gate and that it's hard. What does that tell us, that we will have to battle, not to gain entrance but to maintain a life of godliness. this is backed up by Paul's teaching of working out our salvation through fear and trembling.

 

[emily445455]

Deeper- Yes, and I said I'll have to study it sometime.

 

[Deeper]

Deeper- Yes, and I said I'll have to study it sometime.

Lol, alright then. My suggestion: take a break from posting, because it is evident you need to study it more. It's a good thing though that you want to be like Berea and study the word to see if what I and Chad are saying is correct. thanks for doing that.

 

[redfox]

Ill be honest I haven't read all 128 posts on here and I don't wanna say something you have already covered, but I was reading about you tlaking about salvation being a free gift or not and I felt drawn to two passages:

Romans 3:23-24

"23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus"

Ephesians 2:8-9

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast"

Im sorry if you've already looked at these and Im covering old ground. But does this not suggest that redemption and therefore salvation are free. That is the principle of atonement surely? Please teach me: deeper you said that it is not a free gift but surely from these verses the gift is free.

I agree that faith without works is no faith at all, but we are freely redeemed are we not?

 

[ibuado]

Ill be honest I haven't read all 128 posts on here and I don't wanna say something you have already covered, but I was reading about you tlaking about salvation being a free gift or not and I felt drawn to two passages:

Romans 3:23-24

"23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus"

Ephesians 2:8-9

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast"

Im sorry if you've already looked at these and Im covering old ground. But does this not suggest that redemption and therefore salvation are free. That is the principle of atonement surely? Please teach me: deeper you said that it is not a free gift but surely from these verses the gift is free.

I agree that faith without works is no faith at all, but we are freely redeemed are we not?

read what deeper posted, that should answer you question.:thumbs_up

 

[redfox]

Thanks I had a feeling I might be stepping in covered territory! Love Jack

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Wait wait, I'm not picking verses...I do not understand how faith and works go together...but the Bible does say Salvation is free. I guess I could post the verses if youd like.

I also never said I do not do works for God...I probably don't do enough, but I love God too much not to do them. I want some crowns to give back to Christ...I dont want to get to heaven empty-handed.

Emily, you need to spend more time studying Scripture with a Study Bible. Faith and works are inextricably intertwined, as these two citations show:

"For it is by grace you have been saved - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast.For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." (Eph 2:8-10)

"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such a faith save him? Faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." (Jas 2:14.17)

Faith that brings salvation is a lively faith energized by the Holy Spirit to do the good works that God has lined up for us.

SLE

 

[Enix2000]

thanks

Thanks for the clip, it challenged me. Please continue to send out stuff like this.

 

[Velmat]

I do not remember ever saying that salvation is not a free gift. But commenting further on Paul Washer sermon I believe God uses his message to awaken some who heard him to really examine their heart. Of course, not all of God's people will be bless by that sermon because all of us has different degree of spiritual maturity and spiritual understanding and some are not ready yet for strong meat like that. The message is intended by God for all true believers especially those whom God wanted to use in preaching the gospel in a powerful way.

 

[choy]

Paul Washer's message was clearly from God. And if we're smart enough the only response we should all have is repent. More so if we think the message isn't for us.

God is starting to build His glorious Church, without spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. And it's members are the humble and meek who have no rights or privileges; their only business is to obey and do the Father's will.

And we're only getting God's appetizers. Because pretty soon He's going to destroy all the works of men, especially "christian" churches and denominations which are merely human organizations trying to look like a church.

Get ready for many more Paul Washers because God is sending a whole battalion of them before the Day, coming from all denominations and independent churches. God is NOW building His true Church that is a fitting Bride for Jesus, and this Church has only one doctrine--Jesus' doctrine--unlike denominations today that have their differing doctrines.

 

[choy]

On Being "radical" Christians

It seems "radical" christianity today means merely looking like rock artists when worshipping or doing what people do in rock concerts. Actually, this "radicalism" is the most rotting traditionalism and conservatism I have ever seen.

Being truly radical means living the LIFE and having the character of Jesus today. It means giving up everything we have--and I mean EVERYTHING. It means doing a Jesus ministry that is really spiritual and supernatural.

Churches should give up everything, including their denominations. Jesus didn't have nor promoted any denomination. He only talked about the Kingdom of God. If we're true followers of Jesus, we should be doing the same, and strictly only the same. We should help usher souls into the Kingdom and not some denominational church full of useless activities "for God."

We should be teaching new disciples only one thing--how to live the LIFE of Jesus today, not denominational doctrines of men. Because Jesus said He came that we may have LIFE, abundantly. Nothing more, nothing less. LIFE should be our main business here. The LIFE of Jesus is the only thing worth living and dying for.

We should be preaching, teaching, and healing supernaturally as the Master did. Any other church activity is dead and false.

We're living in the last days. The devil has been deceiving a lot of born again christians for centuries. Now is the time for true believers to make a difference and proclaim the genuine Jesus through their very lives, not preaching another "Jesus" that Paul referred to in 2 Corinthians 11.4.

Remember, "without holiness no one will see the Lord!"

 

[Deeper]

It seems "radical" christianity today means merely looking like rock artists when worshipping or doing what people do in rock concerts. Actually, this "radicalism" is the most rotting traditionalism and conservatism I have ever seen.

Being truly radical means living the LIFE and having the character of Jesus today. It means giving up everything we have--and I mean EVERYTHING. It means doing a Jesus ministry that is really spiritual and supernatural.

Churches should give up everything, including their denominations. Jesus didn't have nor promoted any denomination. He only talked about the Kingdom of God. If we're true followers of Jesus, we should be doing the same, and strictly only the same. We should help usher souls into the Kingdom and not some denominational church full of useless activities "for God."

We should be teaching new disciples only one thing--how to live the LIFE of Jesus today, not denominational doctrines of men. Because Jesus said He came that we may have LIFE, abundantly. Nothing more, nothing less. LIFE should be our main business here. The LIFE of Jesus is the only thing worth living and dying for.

We should be preaching, teaching, and healing supernaturally as the Master did. Any other church activity is dead and false.

We're living in the last days. The devil has been deceiving a lot of born again christians for centuries. Now is the time for true believers to make a difference and proclaim the genuine Jesus through their very lives, not preaching another "Jesus" that Paul referred to in 2 Corinthians 11.4.

Remember, "without holiness no one will see the Lord!"

I would agree with you on everything you said, however, what the world and even the Christians consider "radical Christianity" are the teachings of those like Paul Washer. We are considered way to extreme and need to take it down a notch. we're considered to be fundamental Christians. However, this is not the case and anyone with the Holy Spirit in them would be able to discern what is of God and what isn't of God.

 

[torazon]

Pray for wisdom and understanding

This thread is a classic example of how easily things are taken out of context or confused and then passed on. Sadly the world does the same with Bible in general. Conclusions are drawn based on a few scriptures without knowing the full history of what was going on.

I was reading Luke Chapter 12 last night. Starting in verse 54 I think applies here.

Part of what Jesus was teaching I believe is that we should be reading the Word and not be ignorant. We put so much effort into knowledge of other things, but barely know the Bible at all. Then we push people away like the Preacher in that video.

God bless you all

 

[Chad]

This thread is a classic example of how easily things are taken out of context or confused and then passed on. Sadly the world does the same with Bible in general. Conclusions are drawn based on a few scriptures without knowing the full history of what was going on.

I was reading Luke Chapter 12 last night. Starting in verse 54 I think applies here.

Part of what Jesus was teaching I believe is that we should be reading the Word and not be ignorant. We put so much effort into knowledge of other things, but barely know the Bible at all. Then we push people away like the Preacher in that video.

God bless you all

Can you prove the preacher pushed anyone away? Can you tell me, the 15 pages worth of responses in this thread of people who were grateful for the messages, are they all deceived and pushed away? Those you claim and assume are "pushed away" are likely those who never came forth to GOD fully surrendered and fully sincere.

The preacher told the truth as it is. Tell me, can you do a better job? Why not contact Paul Washer and correct him and tell him he's pushing people away? Did you glorify GOD and edify anyone in this thread by your opinion?

You make no sense at all and contradicted your own two last posts in this thread.

#1

I understand that some of us may not like things loud. I do think that sometimes people need to be hit over the head (turn up the volume) before they pay attention. I am not suggesting this is you, just that if turning up the volume helps bring even 1 person to God than I am all for it. Thank you for the reply and God bless you

Clothing - He was not saying we had to wear certain clothes to be saved. He was saying we need to be careful of what we wear. Do not wear clothing that reveals too much or causes others to stumble. Do not wear T-shirts with worldly writing on them.

#2

Amen! I am glad we have people that are not afraid to preach like this. He made so many good points about our culture in the USA and the state of some of our Churches I would not know where to begin in discussing them. I was not shocked or offended at anything he said. I witness this every day I wake up and breathe.

To be honest I could relate very easily to what he was saying. I remember how I was in my youth group at Church and how differently I lived outside of Church. Sadly our "feel good" society has infected many of our Churches and not all of us hear what we need to. Clearly his message is not just for teens as it applies to all of us.

For those of you that did not like him raising his voice I think you missed one of his points about the original Hebrew text when they were trying to emphasize points in the Bible. There is nothing wrong with being loud if it means getting somebody's attention that otherwise is not hearing the Word!

You change your mind suddenly?