Should Christians be Pacifist?

[Bill Taylor]

Totally the stuff of fantasy. For a start, you live in the most militarily advanced society that has ever existed, so the likelihood of enemy combatants wandering around your neighbourhood is remote to say the least.

More importantly, our Christian discipleship calls us to virtues such as forgiveness, love, self-giving, patience, joy, faithfulness, perseverance. There's no Biblical expectation that Jesus' followers get themselves armed with weapons. Paul said to the Ephesian church:

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Paul is very clear about the weapons at the church's disposal: truth, righteousness, the gospel of peace, faith, salvation, the word of God, and prayer.

One of us lives in a dream state but mine is based on the complete word of Creator God. Folks and, I am bent to believe you are a member of this group, do not pay attention to the world's largest military and the surge in their pointed development meant to defeat America. I am not dreaming, they are coming and the previous two nations represented by the Eagle nesting in a nest of stars are long gone.

People do not want to believe but Yahova's Prophecy has never and will never fail. Read the news accounts, mark them off in scripture and the next two major events, the Rapture and te Time of Great Tribulation are uponn our doorstep.

 

[Butch5]

I might have been so bold as to falsely assume but not this time. I will mention tat all of the answers are found in prayerful study of the Book.

We already have the answers

 

[Butch5]

To every thing there is a season, and a time for every purpose under the heaven:

2 a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 a time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 a time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace

One must have discernment

It doesn't take a lot of discernment to understand, don't do this.

 

[Twistie]

It doesn't take a lot of discernment to understand, don't do this.

If you say so.. I'll follow the Lord's ways.. n I'll use my discernment..idk where you grew up n what neighborhoods u go in but if ya have no discernment or just don't believe ya need it ya probably wind up either being robbed or shot to be honest

 

[Bill Taylor]

If you say so.. I'll follow the Lord's ways.. n I'll use my discernment..idk where you grew up n what neighborhoods u go in but if ya have no discernment or just don't believe ya need it ya probably wind up either being robbed or shot to be honest

Twistie, the Church Building is filled with people thinking they are members of The Church Yashua will rapture. It is my experience since beginning to teach in '92 that people not relying on their own foolish interpretations might have different takes and applications of given passages because Ruach goves knowledge as it is needed to live for The Christ. And most of the people in most churches on any Sunday believe they can live the Righteous Life on Sunday and case after sex in those clubs I sang in as a young sonner. But it seems this group of attendees knows more about scripture than God does.

 

[Butch5]

If you say so.. I'll follow the Lord's ways.. n I'll use my discernment..idk where you grew up n what neighborhoods u go in but if ya have no discernment or just don't believe ya need it ya probably wind up either being robbed or shot to be honest

Did you read my post? I said one doesn't need much discernment to understand, don't do this. It doesn't take much to understand this


Romans 12:19 (KJV 1900): 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

 

[Twistie]

Twistie, the Church Building is filled with people thinking they are members of The Church Yashua will rapture. It is my experience since beginning to teach in '92 that people not relying on their own foolish interpretations might have different takes and applications of given passages because Ruach goves knowledge as it is needed to live for The Christ. And most of the people in most churches on any Sunday believe they can live the Righteous Life on Sunday and case after sex in those clubs I sang in as a young sonner. But it seems this group of attendees knows more about scripture than God does.

It's my experience man can't teach Spiritual lessons they have to be revealed.. one has to discern on whom it is they're talking to to even know if they are leaning on the flesh or do the Learn from the Holy Spirit.. trying to speak spiritual things that have been revealed to you will sound foolish for those who r still in the flesh or if they r just starting on their path with the Lord..
Why I always say One True Teacher.. wasn't it Paul who said everything I have learned I have learned from the Holy Spirit.. I believe that's why so many dislike his writings He is proof that even after Death The spirit of Yeshua was alive n
thriving IMANUEL

 

[Twistie]

Did you read my post? I said one doesn't need much discernment to understand, don't do this. It doesn't take much to understand this


Romans 12:19 (KJV 1900): 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

N smh really that scripture your going to use as an excuse not to use discernment? Taking vengeance n not using discernment is two totally different things..not using discernment is just nonsense j.s. I need discernment to know whether I should or shouldn't seek vengeance tho n at one time my discernment was way off but the Lord did have someone there to help me see clearly

 

[Butch5]

N smh really that scripture your going to use as an excuse not to use discernment? Taking vengeance n not using discernment is two totally different things..not using discernment is just nonsense j.s. I need discernment to know whether I should or shouldn't seek vengeance tho n at one time my discernment was way off but the Lord did have someone there to help me see clearly

Did you read what I wrote? I didn't say one doesn't need discernment. I it doesn't take a lot of discernment to understand, don't do this.

You don't need discernment to know if you should or shouldn't seek vengeance. Paul said, don't. Don't isn't hard to understand.

 

[Twistie]

Did you read what I wrote? I didn't say one doesn't need discernment. I it doesn't take a lot of discernment to understand, don't do this.

You don't need discernment to know if you should or shouldn't seek vengeance. Paul said, don't. Don't isn't hard to understand.

Not doing it n having the power to do it the midst of the Chaos can be very challenging not to but that still doesn't mean not to use discernment smh.. you better be able to discern who exactly is in your presence in the midst of the Chaos is any one there that would continue the harm or r they there to help.. like I said to say discernment is not needed sound like nonsense to me..I.s. no matter what u quote I won't see no difference.. I'm very aware of my surroundings n whom I interact with I know whom brings peace to a scene n whom don't.. I'm not so foolish that I am not aware

To old to walk blindly especially these days...

 

[Butch5]

Not doing it n having the power to do it the midst of the Chaos can be very challenging not to but that still doesn't mean not to use discernment smh.. you better be able to discern who exactly is in your presence in the midst of the Chaos is any one there that would continue the harm or r they there to help.. like I said to say discernment is not needed sound like nonsense to me..I.s. no matter what u quote I won't see no difference.. I'm very aware of my surroundings n whom I interact with I know whom brings peace to a scene n whom don't.. I'm not so foolish that I am not aware

To old to walk blindly especially these days...

You either have no idea what I'm talking about or you're deliberately distracting from the conversation.

 

[Twistie]

You either have no idea what I'm talking about or you're deliberately distracting from the conversation.

No I'm not distracting I'm stating facts perhaps you just can't see one needs discernment n that being man does make us infallible.. that's why Christ died for me.. perhaps you live n lived a life where ya Neva wanted to take vengeance and Neva was in the company of dangerous people idk but like I been saying that one don't need discernment sound obsird n you can't accept that you can't make me see your ways idk..

Your the one pushing discernment isn't necessary n I'm just speaking facts that it is...

 

[Hekuran]

Ok we've gone off topic.

An observation: the USA has a culture that in many places is obsessed with violence.

In films, media, often in politics people often glorify violence as a means to cleanse society of evil.

How should Christians speak wisely in such a culture?

 

[joestue]

violence is just like adultery. sometimes you forgive, and sometimes you divorce.

 

[Brad Huber]

Do you mean the part about not repaying evil for evil? Or maybe the part about turning the other cheek. Or maybe the part where God said, 'thou shalt not kill'. Or maybe Paul's words,

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Ro 12:19–1 Th 4:6.


The early Christians learned from Jesus and the apostles. So, no one is ignoring Scripture. I would ask you though, why do you put your interpretation of Scripture above Scripture?

Death is not evil, thats atheist thinking. God chooses a time and date for all of us to die. And God like to use humans to carry out His will, would you oppose God's will in the matter?

 

[Butch5]

Death is not evil, thats atheist thinking. God chooses a time and date for all of us to die. And God like to use humans to carry out His will, would you oppose God's will in the matter?

It's not about death. It's about killing. The part where Gid said, 'thou shalt not'. That part.

 

[joestue]

Death is not evil

Yes it is, and it is the last enemy to be destroyed according to paul.

 

[Hekuran]

Death is not evil, thats atheist thinking. God chooses a time and date for all of us to die. And God like to use humans to carry out His will, would you oppose God's will in the matter?

Of course death is evil. It's the last enemy to be defeated. 1 Corinthians 15:26 and Revelation 20:14

Why would Jesus go to all the bother of conquering the power of death otherwise?

 

[Butch5]

All of these arguments are simply attempts to justify Christians doing that which is forbidden.

 

[Hekuran]

Yes it is, and it is the last enemy to be destroyed according to paul.

You beat me to it by a matter of seconds