Should Christians masturbate?

[evstevemd]

I don't see how its wrong, Doctors actually say its quite healthy.

Some doctors not only recommends but also performs abortion, give condoms to youth so that they may "play safe". Would you trust them?

It is all about whether God approves it or not. I believe it have nothing to do with doctors.

Back to the question; It is wrong! end of it is guilty and Spirit of God doesn't make that! For courtship, you better stand a far from each other until marriage. Wherever you be together, there should be more than you (some more people who are Christians should be present)

If you leave discipline you will end up falling in sin, because you are humans too. Don't even dare to touch each other. You better escape every appearance of not only sin but snares/self temptation :shade:

 

[Ruby Beads]

Ruby, I think Bo was just making sure you were not swayed by other's opinions, but wanted to support your and his beliefs with scripture. And, of course, it would be for the benefit of previous posters. I agree with Bo on this, but I just wondered why, if you are both adults, do you put off getting married? It seems, if these are your plans, then you should at least get legally married soon, and have a formal wedding when you planned to have it. Would that work?

Married soon?! :shock:Uh.......no, not really lol. We've just known each other for 3 months. he's still studying and I don't have a job yet. it would be silly to marry when we can't afford the wedding and even to start setting up a foundation for making a family. I wont get married for around 2 years because that's when he finishes studying, and by that point I should be working and earning enough money to set us up for marriage and family.

 

[Ruby Beads]

Married couples separated for a year at a time due to military deployment? While talking on the phone, focusing on each other and their love for each other? In that case, I believe God may understand. If you disagree with me, please say so; I will not be offended.

In any other case, I think it is wrong. If you burn, then marry, Paul says.

If you are already married, and one of the partners habitually self-pleasures, she/he is actually stealing from his/her partner. The partner should have received mutual pleasure. That is how God designed it.

Paul says married partners should not withhold from each other. So...that brings some things into question too, like...is it wrong to keep telling a partner you have a headache, too tired, habitually? With real actual, long-lasting illness in one of the partner's case, then what? I say, stay with the partner God gave you...in sickness and in health, and don't turn your love or your sexual desire to another. Take that as you will.

It's normal for children to masturbate, and obviously adults do it too. It easily becomes addictive, and that is wrong.

Eating can become addictive too. So sexual sin is not the only bodily sin, but God does hate sexual sin; He says so.

Editing: Okay, I just realized I went off-subject from the first post. The only thing I can repeat is, if you burn, then marry.

Ruby Beads, you say yourself that you feel guilty after doing that. So that probably speaks for itself. You are responsible for yourself and your own actions, and you can pray for and encourage your boyfriend in the Word, but he is ultimately responsible for his own actions. I wish both of you well and for God to bless your relationship! I pray that if God wills it, you will marry!

Yep, I agree with what you say that this isn't the only bodily sin, obviously. gluttony is a sin after all. I said that I used to masturbate. i don't still do it. and yes, we will marry ^_^. It feels right. but we won't marry for a while yet since we need to make sure we have enough money for the wedding and for setting ourselves up for family. and because of the recession it's harder for first time families to get their first house. but since we've just been together for 3 months i really want to take it slow and not talk about marriage all the time, though we do mention it now and again.

 

[Ruby Beads]

Some doctors not only recommends but also performs abortion, give condoms to youth so that they may "play safe". Would you trust them?

It is all about whether God approves it or not. I believe it have nothing to do with doctors.

Back to the question; It is wrong! end of it is guilty and Spirit of God doesn't make that! For courtship, you better stand a far from each other until marriage. Wherever you be together, there should be more than you (some more people who are Christians should be present)

If you leave discipline you will end up falling in sin, because you are humans too. Don't even dare to touch each other. You better escape every appearance of not only sin but snares/self temptation :shade:

I understand what you are saying and that there are couples who would need to do this because they feel they would easily fall into temptation with eachother. however, we would still hug, since we won't give into temptation with eachother, since we both don't want to. yes, we are human, but we are both strong christians and are not teenagers. we see eachother twice a month, due to distance, so when we meet we would want to hug. in a way, when we hug it feels like we're friends. and i love the fact that it feels like that because to be friends in a relationship is a beautiful thing ^_^ but we won't avoid making contact with eachother. we would just make sure we won't touch eachother in remotely sexual ways.

Anyway, I have talked to him asking how he's coping with this subject, and he says he's doing a lot better. he's spoken to people in church about it and been praying about it. and i have prayed for him too. so it's all good ^_^ Thanks for your input!

 

[Veracity]

Masturbation is not something I want to defend, nor really discuss, but as I said before, it can be an escape from sin that can not be undone. Boy goes home thinking about his girl, has no where to vent his normal male reaction, does someone really want him to do as David did? Perhaps we will never know that if David had masturbated before he went and called for Bathsheba, his good sense may have returned to him and he would not have committed the sins that could not be undone.

What is the difference between kids who are told that touching their privates is wrong or "sin", and kids who have parents that know it is just a part of life? Little girls who are molested or told on a regular basis that they are nasty and should not touch themselves grow up feeling guilty about sex, period. Boys are going to grow up wanting it anyway, but to be told it is wrong, and they cant release themselves end up angry, bitter, etc. (Not ALL, but a good number)

The human being has a sinful nature, and that is what the law was for; to point out what God called sin to Him. The ten commandments covers everything, there is a big difference between adultery, fornication and masturbation, what is your mind thinking of is what it boils down to. Before the Law, no one knew what sin was. A person who lacks self control will masturbate. Today a person could be full of self control and then POW, out the window, God made us, and if anyone has read the bible, God knows us better than we know ourselves.

If it feels like sin to you, don't judge another if they feel no condemnation, use your self control and move on. Thinking you have a handle on the "sexual sins" is not always the best place to be standing. After all, sexual sin is what it is all about when you think about it. Contain your own vessel.

 

[jesusdriven]

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." -Matthew 5:28

We must define what lust is...

lust
1. Intense or unrestrained sexual craving.
a. An overwhelming desire or craving: a lust for power.
b. Intense eagerness or enthusiasm: a lust for life.

lust
1. a strong desire for sexual gratification
2. a strong desire or drive

 

[Ruby Beads]

EDIT: It's all sorted out now with my boyfriend, so thanks for all your help and info guys! Much appreciated! ^_^

Uh..... I would close this thread but there's no option saying how I can. But, I guess there are more christians out there who have this same query that I had.

 

[Veracity]

EDIT: It's all sorted out now with my boyfriend, so thanks for all your help and info guys! Much appreciated! ^_^

Uh..... I would close this thread but there's no option saying how I can. But, I guess there are more christians out there who have this same query that I had.

This has always been a big can of worms...but no one talks about it. Best to let it run out on it's own, otherwise someone else will have to open the can again. Guess it's up to the mods.

 

[azuredepths]

Christians should not masturbate or have sex.

Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 9:27:
"But I chastise my body, and bring it into servitude, lest by any means, having preached to others -- I myself may become disapproved"

Unless one is going to beget child, apart from this, should be no sex. Not for pleasure. This is the christian principle.

 

[evstevemd]

I understand what you are saying and that there are couples who would need to do this because they feel they would easily fall into temptation with eachother. however, we would still hug, since we won't give into temptation with eachother, since we both don't want to. yes, we are human, but we are both strong christians and are not teenagers. we see eachother twice a month, due to distance, so when we meet we would want to hug. in a way, when we hug it feels like we're friends. and i love the fact that it feels like that because to be friends in a relationship is a beautiful thing ^_^ but we won't avoid making contact with eachother. we would just make sure we won't touch eachother in remotely sexual ways.

Anyway, I have talked to him asking how he's coping with this subject, and he says he's doing a lot better. he's spoken to people in church about it and been praying about it. and i have prayed for him too. so it's all good ^_^ Thanks for your input!

Happy you got my point!
I wish you get that necessary money before 2yrs...only to be with lover of your life, back to the rib which you belong

 

[Alice.]

Christians should not masturbate or have sex.

Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 9:27:
"But I chastise my body, and bring it into servitude, lest by any means, having preached to others -- I myself may become disapproved"

Unless one is going to beget child, apart from this, should be no sex. Not for pleasure. This is the christian principle.

I think saying that sex is only meant for creating children is a bit silly. Sex is a very intimate act, the two people become one for that time, they are showing their love for each other. To say that they should only do that to make babies doesn't seem rational to me.

 

[azuredepths]

I think saying that sex is only meant for creating children is a bit silly. Sex is a very intimate act, the two people become one for that time, they are showing their love for each other. To say that they should only do that to make babies doesn't seem rational to me.

Yes. Of course, u say that because you're probably lost.

Only wordly people and "carnal christians" say that, a true christian knows that sex is not for pleasure or recreational.
Same thing with dating, which is a modern phenomenon, if you look carefully you won't find recreational dating in the past centuries.

 

[Veracity]

Yes. Of course, u say that because you're probably lost.

Only wordly people and "carnal Christians" say that, a true Christian knows that sex is not for pleasure or recreational.
Same thing with dating, which is a modern phenomenon, if you look carefully you won't find recreational dating in the past centuries.

Eccl 5:2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.

Why would you assume this person is lost? You seem to have ire in your words.

Really a True Christian does not enjoy sexual pleasure with their spouse? Only for having children? Have you read the Song of Solomon? Our emotions and desires came from God, Christians should be having the best pleasures because God is a part of the Bond between them.

This subject up for discussion is a very personal thing between the doer and God, it is an 'alone' thing.

 

[Boanerges]

Pro 5:18 Let thy fountainH4726 beH1961 blessed:H1288 and rejoiceH8055 with the wifeH4480 H802 of thy youth.H5271
Pro 5:19 Let her be as the lovingH158 hindH365 and pleasantH2580 roe;H3280 let her breastsH1717 satisfyH7301 thee at allH3605 times;H6256 and be thou ravishedH7686 alwaysH8548 with her love.H160
The bible is indeed clear that the marriage bed is undefiled and He made man and women to enjoy and be intimate inside of that wedlock.
As far as masturbation that is an entirely different issue and the bible declares :
Rom 13:14 ButG235 put ye onG1746 theG3588 LordG2962 JesusG2424 Christ,G5547 andG2532 makeG4160 notG3361 provisionG4307 for theG3588 flesh,G4561 to fulfil the(G1519) lustsG1939 thereof.

 

[Veracity]

Pro 5:18 Let thy fountainH4726 beH1961 blessed:H1288 and rejoiceH8055 with the wifeH4480 H802 of thy youth.H5271
Pro 5:19 Let her be as the lovingH158 hindH365 and pleasantH2580 roe;H3280 let her breastsH1717 satisfyH7301 thee at allH3605 times;H6256 and be thou ravishedH7686 alwaysH8548 with her love.H160
The bible is indeed clear that the marriage bed is undefiled and He made man and women to enjoy and be intimate inside of that wedlock.
As far as masturbation that is an entirely different issue and the bible declares :
Rom 13:14 ButG235 put ye onG1746 theG3588 LordG2962 JesusG2424 Christ,G5547 andG2532 makeG4160 notG3361 provisionG4307 for theG3588 flesh,G4561 to fulfil the(G1519) lustsG1939 thereof.

Huh? Apparently your colors etc did not come through...copy and paste does not work well on this forum.

 

[evstevemd]

I think saying that sex is only meant for creating children is a bit silly. Sex is a very intimate act, the two people become one for that time, they are showing their love for each other. To say that they should only do that to make babies doesn't seem rational to me.

And saying sex is ONLY for consummation of oneness is a bit silly too. Its like talking of a coin with one side :shade:

Marriage is meant for both, although the last one, in this fallen world sometimes doesn't happen for couple of reasons but It is one of God's intention on sex. So both of them not one of them. Sex is the only thing couples can share ALONE and hence one, but it is also meant for futhering human race. BOTH are God's intention on marriage. So marriage have AT LEAST twofold purpose

Yes. Of course, u say that because you're probably lost.

Only wordly people and "carnal christians" say that, a true christian knows that sex is not for pleasure or recreational.
Same thing with dating, which is a modern phenomenon, if you look carefully you won't find recreational dating in the past centuries.

Azuredepth, would you slower your pace and salt your mouth? You can have a good point but being rude like that doesn't help! You should have asked if Alice meant sex in or out of marriage. And if she mean IN marriage vow, then She is right in saying so, though as I have said half true :shock:

I think you should learn to have mind of Jesus :wink:

 

[Boanerges]

Huh? Apparently your colors etc did not come through...copy and paste does not work well on this forum.

What colors? I always highlight the scriptures in bold font but added no colors.
The bible verses are obviously copied and pasted. The rest just brother (or is it bother?)Larry.:shock:

 

[coachforChrist]

Peace be unto you all, Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ

Christ must save, and Christ alone

That is the secret...

Hosea14:1-4

1O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity. 2Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
3Asshur shall not save us; we will not ride upon horses: neither will we say any more to the work of our hands, Ye are our gods: for in thee the fatherless findeth mercy.
I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.


First of all, it is good that this issue is coming up in your relationship, to benefit you, and others later on that God may send your way.

Second, we must learn how God wants us to deal with sin, and not come up with our own little legalistic dos and donts.

Third, we must have WHOLEHEARTED FAITH IN JESUS ALONE FOREVER, for every thing, every moment, trusting Christ that our sins are forgiven, and then letting God bring the 1000s of sins that He has already forgiven into The Full Light of His Love, so that they will truly die, or at least not grow so bad.

For example, if we lean to our own understanding, as God tells us NOT to do in Proverbs 3:5,6,7,8, then we become over sensitive, to OUTER SIN LIKE physical adultery OR outer physical masterbation,
but are lax concerning our evil hypocrisy or spiritual adultery concerning God, then we are only deceiving ourselves and headed down the path of destruction of becoming modern day legalistic Pharisees, cleaning only the outside of the platter, while leaving the inner evil heart...as Jesus said, full of wickedness and dead men's bones.

God doesnt want us to give Him our truly corrupt tree of evil self love a LEAF at a time...lol...but truly surrender ALL without reserve in The Truly Merciful Arms of Jesus to deal with...according to His Merciful Time, His Merciful Way.

Only Jesus can save us from not only the penalty of our sins, but also the power of our sins. So simply Let go, and Let God (1Peter5:7)
Casting all your care upon Him (Jesus), for He (Jesus) cares for you.

The fact that all of us yield to numerous sin daily, whether known or unknown...only proves our TOTAL NEED OF CHRIST every moment for every thing...and only A WOUNDED SELF-LOVE is upset at their sin...while a humble sinner, while truly not pleased with his sin, is no longer surprised by them...but simply and truly TURNS within to Jesus within His Heart to ... God be merciful to me a sinner...in The Truly Merciful Name of Jesus. Amen

God will take care of the rest...so therefore we must simply trust Him for it Psalms138:8 and believe what God told King David, in Psalms138:8, "The Lord will perfect that which concerns me."

God wants us to make REAL progress...by learning the secret of Proverbs 23:26, "My son, give me your HEART, and observe My Ways."

You may ask, How do I do that? By simple turning INWARD to a truly loving and understanding Christ within many times during the day, to simple trust Him and ask Him for His Help, His Guidance, and His Mercy, and His Truth Proverbs3:5,6,7,8 Isaiah26:3,4

Thou will keep him in Perfect Peace, whose mind is stayed on Thee.
Trust in The Lord Jehovah from Everlasting unto Everlasting.
For IN The Lord God, is Everlasting Strength (Jesus)."

by giving us ALL of the corrupt tree of self-love, evil pride, THE ROOT of the corrupt treeand not just nickel and dime

Masterbation falls under the sin of uncleanness and the only proper thing to do with that or any sin is 1 John 1:9,
"If we confess our sins (to God in our heart), He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Christians should not masturbate or have sex.

Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 9:27:
"But I chastise my body, and bring it into servitude, lest by any means, having preached to others -- I myself may become disapproved"

Unless one is going to beget child, apart from this, should be no sex. Not for pleasure. This is the christian principle.

"...husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies." (Eph 5:28 NIV)

"The man said, "This is now bone of my bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh. For this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and they will become one flesh." (Ge 2:23a,24)

These scriptures make no mention of procreation, they speak only of forming physically, emotionally, and spiritually intimate relationships in marriage. What you speak of smacks of the loveless marriages of Islamic fundamentalism wherein the wife is little more than cook, housekeeper, and baby-making machine.

SLE

 

[fuzzball]

"...husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies." (Eph 5:28 NIV)

"The man said, "This is now bone of my bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh. For this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and they will become one flesh." (Ge 2:23a,24)

These scriptures make no mention of procreation, they speak only of forming physically, emotionally, and spiritually intimate relationships in marriage. What you speak of smacks of the loveless marriages of Islamic fundamentalism wherein the wife is little more than cook, housekeeper, and baby-making machine.

SLE

I have been watching this thread for quite a few days now without responding. But I now feel that a response is in order. I would like to make the following points...

1 - Nowhere in the bible is it stated that masturbation itself is a sin. If you want to use the story of Onan to support that position you need to go back to your bible and study the story a little better. Below is a quote of a post I made earlier in this thread regarding the actual sins Onan was guilty of.

The first thing to address is the idea that masturbation is wrong. Most religions, denominations and sects use the story of Onan in the Bible to support their claim that it is wrong. But that is not what the story of Onan is about. To see what I have already said about it go to this thread http://www.talkjesus.com/scriptural-bible-answers/22805-birth-control-4.html and read my response to the birth control issue. It also addresses the idea that masturbation is wrong.

Now to go on to courtship in today's world. We are no longer, in most of the civilized world, in the age of arranged marriages. It is no longer true that a bride and her husband to be will only meet just before the nuptials or at the actual ceremony. So, courtship didn't even exist in those days.

But today we live in the age of love and courtship. Two people are expected to meet, court, fall in love and finally decide to share their lives together through the rite or sacrament of holy matrimony. This would be pretty difficult if some physical contact in the form of kissing and cuddling or similar activities were not allowed. But I do feel that to do full honor to ones marriage vows a couple should have no contact with each others genitals in any form until after the wedding.

But, since a couple is not really a couple in the eyes of God until then I see nothing wrong in private self pleasuring as long as it is not done to the point of becoming excessive or addictive. I fully believe that there are only three kinds of people who claim that they don't masturbate; people with a dysfunction in either the ability to enjoy sexual gratification or in the equipment itself, people raised in such a repressive atmosphere that they cannot think of doing something like that, or liars. You can even see the act of "playing with" oneself in many babies and children too young to even be thought to be sexually mature enough to engage in such activity.

2 - Someone made the claim that all masturbation was a sin because it had to be done to impure thoughts. That is partially right. But it is the impure thoughts part that is the sin and not the actual act of masturbation. I can tell you from personal experience that when I first discovered how that particular part of the plumbing worked in seventh grade I was not the least guilty of impure thoughts. When someone discovers that pleasure they are much too interested in the feelings they are getting from the equipment and the act to be thinking about anything or anyone else. Concentration is most definitely focused on a small part of the anatomy between the legs to the exclusion of all else.

Then when my second wife died of cancer after a seventeen year honeymoon I did fantasize during masturbation, but the fantasy was about my lost love and the wonderful sex life we had. And while she was alive I fantasized about her on the few occasions I needed relief and she was ill or unavailable.

Now that I am seventy one years old I don't masturbate as much as I used to but when I do it is still about my current wife. She went through a hormonal change and no longer enjoyed sex and a couple of years after that she moved to another state to help her daughter out. We still talk by phone nearly every day and she doesn't know, I am sure, that I self pleasure myself when we are on the phone and finish, still to fantasies of our earlier great sex life, when we hang up.

I will admit to impure thoughts during the act on occasion in the past and they were sinful.

As to the claim that all sex outside of reproductive sex is sinful; that is absurd. You can only make that claim by selective quoting from the bible. But much of the bible supports the position that sex is a beautiful gift when practiced within a Godly marriage even if reproduction is not the immediate goal.