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Going to the bathroom is a self-pleasing act. It has nothing to do with pleasing God. How is God glorified by an act of self-pleasure?

Sleeping is a self-pleasing act. It has nothing to do with pleasing God. How is God glorified by an act of self-pleasure?

Taking a pain killer is a self-pleasing act. It has nothing to do with pleasing God. How is God glorified by an act of self-pleasure?

You see how this argument is not a good one to use against masturbation?

But we do pray that we get good sleep.
If we do not clear our bowels in time we fall sick and we pray for that as well.
I do not know about the pain killer.
But as for masturbating, we do not pray for that. We cannot compare sex with food and other necessary things for which we do pray if we dont get them unlike for sex. I dont know if anyone has anything else in mind otherwise.
What I mean to say is; our consience itself speaks out that it is wrong. If masturbating was 'good' then we would not mind telling others in open. Like we say "I am going to the bathroom" and that we are not ashamed to say but I havent heard anyone say "I am going to masturbate" that sounds pretty weird and unacceptable. This is conscience.
 
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I must say, for someone who isn't a Christian, you seem to know more about God than His elect do. lol! To even begin to try, one must have the mind of Christ. Apart from Him it simply isn't possible. -1Corinthians 2:9-16

It's difficult to "talk shop" with someone who isn't a part of business, if you know what I mean. So I'll just point out a few quick truths from God's own word.

Understanding God's nature:
God is unchanging. As He was in the beginning, so is He now. We don't decide what His nature is or should be. God is God, not who we decide He is. -Hebrews 6:17

Unconditional love without discipline:
A father loves his child but if that child does wrong, should that child be surprised when he is punished by his father? It isn't done out of anger or spite but love and for the benefit of the child. What is to be gained if we are allowed to get away with disobeying our parents? Who would want to put up with someone who has been allowed to do whatever they wanted, no matter how wrong, their entire lives and never once been disciplined for it? Not good. -Hebrews 12:2-11,

God doesn't work that way. We reap what we sow and if what we sow is bad or evil then God allows that bad or evil harvest to come into our lives and, like it our not, we will reap it. -Galatians 6:7-9, Genesis 3:8-23

An understanding of God that hasn't served us well:
God doesn't serve us. We serve God. Even Jesus, Himself was not exempt from this rule. -Matthew 4:10, Mark 10:45 & Luke 4:8, 1Corinthians 2:9-16

God communicates through feelings:
God communicates with His elect through His word, His spirit, and prayer. I may "feel" like punching my boss in the face so that righteous justice is done but God's word teaches me to respect authority, have patience in long-suffering, show compassion, and be quick to forgive and slow to anger. Satan is the one who uses feelings to coerce us into action. -Luke 11:23-28, Matthew 6:6 & Matthew 16:23, 1Corinthians 9-16

Recreating ourselves (?)
I have to admit, I find this concept rather pompous and absurd but I think I understand what you mean, so bear with me on this one, okay? :)

We have already been created as a complete and whole being. We were made in God's own image. What's to recreate? If man hasn't gotten things right by now then it's obviously not going to happen. Ever. Not according to his will, anyway. Doing things our own way has done nothing but make a giant mess out of ourselves and our world. We aren't able to make things right. We are, and always will be, a house divided.
-Genesis 5:1 & 2, Ephesians 2:10 & 4:20-24, Luke 11:17

In closing, I'll say that this has been a lot of fun because I'm by no means a Bible scholar and I had to do some digging to find all of these scriptures. I would also reiterate that you should get your hands on a good study Bible. Most Christians won't give credence to any argument you make unless you can back it up with scripture. The Bible is the one, real, and incorrupt truth this world has. If you can't back yourself up with God's word then you have no credit in the eyes of His elect. Just a little FYI for you. :)

This was fun! We should do it again sometime.
I'm praying that God gets a hold on you.
hello Dooglbie for you full and considered reply. As you correctly pointed out I am not a christian but I have been spending most of my life getting to know God. So i find your comment that "i seem to know more about God than his elect do" slightly amusing (as i am sure it was intended to be). I consider us all to be Gods elect. This is just one aspect of undconditional love.
Now hopefullly it wont be that difficult to talk shop with me as although i may not be in the christian business i am very much in the God business. And as a lover of Christs message perhaps i am in the christian business too!
Any way that aside lets get back to some truths.
Gods unchanging nature. Yes Gods nature has always been and will always be God. I agree wholeheartedly that we dont decide what Gods nature but we are free to undersand (and comment) on that nature. I often find myself talking of yesterdays God and tomorrows God which has often drawn the critisim that that cannot be as Gods nature doesn chnage. So just to clarify matters when I say such things i am reffering to our understanding of God whcih of course does change quite a lot!
Unconditinal love without discipline. IF by discipline you mean education and correction of our young children then naturally they go hand in hand. For education and teaching are all part of love. where many err however is when they feel that punishment should be a part of the equation. Punishment is not love. Punishment is vengenence, punishment is to seek retribution and is certainly not they way of the spiritually enlightened and even more certainly not the way of God.

"an understanding of God that hasnt served us"
I noticed your (slightly sneeky)
changing of my quote from "an understanding of God that hasnt served us" to " A god that hasnt served us" gottcha!
So i stand by my original quote. Having said that God has served us! God has served us very well indeed. Isnt that just another reason to love God?
On the question of feelings. Rightous justice is not about punching your boss (or anyone) on the nose but i think u knowthat already.
and trust ur feelings! for they are of God. but it neednt be ur first instinct ( which may indeed be to punch ur boss on the nose) ask what love would do. what God would do? and let ur heart be ur guide. This truth has serve me well.

Recreating ourselves.
what i meant by this is re creation. we are made in the image of God. we are continually creating and re creating our experinces of the this world. there is nothing pompous or even absurd about this just merely a re statement of what we are.

Hope that helps and not one scriptural quote. Sorry i know how much you like those things. that is not to say i dont read the bible and i have learned much from it. but i find there are so many interpertations of these words including my own that i find it not particularly enlightening to see who can outquote who!
I prefer instead to share my truth and hope that thru the illumination of each others souls by the sharing of truths we can find our way to a more enightended world.
God bless
 
wow, I am glad to see this as a topic, honestly I have struggled with masturbation and thinking it is a sin has really destroyed my relationship with Jesus, I feel scared to talk to Him after I masturbate, my church teaches it is a sin and I can go to hell for it, I am really mixed up about this issue, it has really caused me alot of deep emotional and mental pain, I feel so much shame, after I masturbate, I hate myself and its just a vicious cycle, i feel condemned :(
 
If you, CAN actually, masturbate without lusting (which is normally almost impossible) then it's not a sin.

If you lust, you are sinning, but if you sin, don't think God hates you or will send you to hell, God will never cast you out, instead, come before Him, and ask for forgiveness, if you can't stop doing it, ask for His strength and help.

You're not the first, or the last, I'm pretty sure that at least 95% of all the members here, had a problem with masturbating or lusting.

Your sins, past, present and future (those you didn't even commit yet) are forgiven, just believe He will and He can save!

You're in my prayers.

God bless.
 
I feel scared to talk to Him after I masturbate, my church teaches it is a sin and I can go to hell for it, I am really mixed up about this issue, it has really caused me alot of deep emotional and mental pain,

His_kid, It appears that you are in a hellfire and brimstone congregation where God's love is downplayed. I strongly suggest that you flee that congregation ASAP and find one where the WHOLE gospel is taught. I also suggest getting an NLT or NIV Study Bible and pay attention to the study notes. The study notes give valuable insights into what the writers were saying. Finally, after you get your study Bible, spend a day or two of your Bible time studying Ephesians chapter 2 to begin learning about God's grace.

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)
 
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wow, I am glad to see this as a topic, honestly I have struggled with masturbation and thinking it is a sin has really destroyed my relationship with Jesus, I feel scared to talk to Him after I masturbate, my church teaches it is a sin and I can go to hell for it, I am really mixed up about this issue, it has really caused me alot of deep emotional and mental pain, I feel so much shame, after I masturbate, I hate myself and its just a vicious cycle, i feel condemned :(
His_ kid, All u need to know is that God loves you. GOd has always loved you and God always will. But dont take my word for it, examine your own heart and know that God is love.
 
I am having a hard time with this lately, thank you for those who replied to my post in this topic.

Please pray for me.
 
wow, I am glad to see this as a topic, honestly I have struggled with masturbation and thinking it is a sin has really destroyed my relationship with Jesus, I feel scared to talk to Him after I masturbate, my church teaches it is a sin and I can go to hell for it, I am really mixed up about this issue, it has really caused me alot of deep emotional and mental pain, I feel so much shame, after I masturbate, I hate myself and its just a vicious cycle, i feel condemned :(

Conviction is of the Holy Spirit and should be embraced. Guilt is not from God and to be flatly rejected. Once confession is made you must understand that you are just as able to stand in the Father's presence as His Son. Jesus became sin for you that you could stand in His very righteousness. This is the basis of and reason behind the joy we have- our relationship with God is restored.
That being said you are not edified and God is not glorified if you spend your time and effort pleasing your flesh. This is not His will for you and you will only feel terrible after you have spent time lusting and pleasing yourself. God has put a new heart in you and that heart is only pleased when walking in communion with the Holy Spirit of God. God gave His precious Holy Spirit to all who are born again and He is with us every moment of every day. He is ou Teacher, our Comforter, our Paraclete (one who walks with us) and is continually with us desiring to interact in every detail of our lives. Knowing the Holy Spirit of God is with you continually do yo want to grieve the One who loves you most? I know you do not. Again it is not about condemnation but about a higher calling you have on your life. You are young yet and there will always be lost and confuse people telling you it is okay to live your life any way that pleases you. My question then is this:
What did Jesus say we must do? His call was this: die to self and the desires of the old man and live in the Spirit as the new man. Pick up your cross and deny yourself. This sounds harsh to the unlearned but those who have learned to walk with God know that anything we give up is far surpassed to the joy of the new life we find.
You are in my prayers.
Many blessings in Jesus Name,
your brother Larry.
 
Conviction is of the Holy Spirit and should be embraced. Guilt is not from God and to be flatly rejected. Once confession is made you must understand that you are just as able to stand in the Father's presence as His Son. Jesus became sin for you that you could stand in His very righteousness. This is the basis of and reason behind the joy we have- our relationship with God is restored.
That being said you are not edified and God is not glorified if you spend your time and effort pleasing your flesh. This is not His will for you and you will only feel terrible after you have spent time lusting and pleasing yourself. God has put a new heart in you and that heart is only pleased when walking in communion with the Holy Spirit of God. God gave His precious Holy Spirit to all who are born again and He is with us every moment of every day. He is ou Teacher, our Comforter, our Paraclete (one who walks with us) and is continually with us desiring to interact in every detail of our lives. Knowing the Holy Spirit of God is with you continually do yo want to grieve the One who loves you most? I know you do not. Again it is not about condemnation but about a higher calling you have on your life. You are young yet and there will always be lost and confuse people telling you it is okay to live your life any way that pleases you. My question then is this:
What did Jesus say we must do? His call was this: die to self and the desires of the old man and live in the Spirit as the new man. Pick up your cross and deny yourself. This sounds harsh to the unlearned but those who have learned to walk with God know that anything we give up is far surpassed to the joy of the new life we find.
You are in my prayers.
Many blessings in Jesus Name,
your brother Larry.
Amen brother Larry. This is a wonderful explaination. I thank God that He has given you this wonderful knowledge and understanding of His lovingkindness, judgement and righteousness and that is what we all need to glory in. Only the your love for God (first His love for you), that is shed abroad in your heart by His Holy Spirit can reveal this. Praise the Lord. God bless you.
 
here is some reading on this subject

Masturbation


No doubt, much evil is done in the name of masturbation. A search on this subject on the internet (not recommended) will substantiate that. But is masturbation evil, in and of itself? Some seem to think so.

For example, the Catholic Catechism states,

By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, copyright 1994, p. 564, #2352)

One Catholic web site plainly posts,

Masturbation is against the biblical teachings which always talks about sex with respect in the marriage context and to have children. To pursue sexual pleasure or orgasm in manner not associated with marital intercourse that is love-giving and open to the creation of new life violates the will of God and is immoral. (www.biblia.com/sex/masturbation.htm)

It is declared to violate the will of God and be immoral, yet no such teaching can be found in the word of God (Proverbs 30:5-6).

I. Arguments Against

According to the Jewish Virtual Library, masturbation is strictly forbidden.

Jewish law clearly prohibits male masturbation. This law is derived from the story of Onan (Gen. 38:8-10), who practiced coitus interruptus as a means of birth control to avoid fathering a child for his deceased brother. G-d killed Onan for this sin. Although Onan's act was not truly masturbation, Jewish law takes a very broad view of the acts prohibited by this passage, and forbids any act of ha-sh'cha'tat zerah (destruction of the seed), that is, ejaculation outside of the ******. In fact, the prohibition is so strict that one passage in the Talmud states, "in the case of a man, the hand that reaches below the navel should be chopped off." (Niddah 13a) (Kosher Sex)

Clearly here we have another example of Jesus' words,

This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. (Mark 7:6-7)

Certainly, Scripture never teaches, "the hand that reaches below the navel should be chopped off," or anything like it! Nor, as is admitted above, does Genesis 38 even address the issue of masturbation. Onan "emitted" (NKJV, more literally, "ruined") on the ground. Indeed, Onan ruined or destroyed his seed on the ground, but there is a reason given as to why he did this:

lest he should give an heir [literally, "seed"] to his brother. (Genesis 38:9)

His motive for doing this was evil. He rebelled against the direct command of his father (Genesis 38:8), and displayed contempt towards both his dead brother and his wife. Indeed, this was evil in the eyes of the Lord, "therefore He killed him" (Genesis 38:10); but it was no act of masturbation. It was an ungodly act during intercourse (Genesis 38:9). The Jewish Virtual Library use of this passage is perverted.

Jews are not the only ones who teach "as doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:8-9). Broad way "Christians" do so as well, even on this particular subject. For example, Bud and Betty Miller of Christ Unlimited Ministries teach that masturbation is self-abuse and sexually immoral citing 1 Corinthians 6:18 (http://bible.com/answers/amasturb.html).

Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. (1 Corinthians 6:18)

The problem with their use of this passage is that masturbation is never described in the Bible as sexually immoral. The context of 1 Corinthians 6:18 is sex with a harlot (1 Corinthians 6:13-17), which is certainly sexually immoral. But, masturbation is never identified in this way.

Their self-abuse argument comes from "modern dictionaries," because masturbation is given as a synonym for self-abuse in modern dictionaries. But this begs the question at hand. Is it truly abusive, in and of itself? Is masturbation an intended use of the sex organ, or is it abuse? Obviously, people (at least those compiling the dictionaries) think so, and so they identify the term synonymously with self-abuse.

Bible Media Online, an ecumenical ministry in South Africa, argues,

The Bible gives us no direct answer to the question. It does not even mention masturbation. But we can deduct from Scripture principles that masturbation is an unnatural sexual practice. It is not according to the purpose of God who gave sex as a gift to be used between a man and his lawful wife, within the marriage bond only. Any other deliberate sexual act, where true love is not the main driving force, is unnatural. (www.bmedia.co.za/faq/masturbation.htm, bold added)

The Bible does mention masturbation, at least, the result of it (see below), but Scripture does not teach that it is "not according to the purpose of God." Moreover, the Word of God never identifies it as "unnatural." Homosexuality is unnatural (Romans 1:26-27). Masturbation is never spoken of in this way.

Another argument that could be made, is that Colossians 3:5 says to put to death "passion."

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, (etc. Colossians 3:5).

Also, Galatians 5:24 says,

Those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. (Galatians 5:24)

What passions are being spoken of here? Sinful passions (Romans 7:5) and vile passions (Romans 1:26) are what have been crucified and are to be put to death. Passion, in and of itself, is not evil. Otherwise, the passion found between a married couple would also have to be put to death. But, on the contrary, Scripture cultivates this passion (see the Song of Solomon and Proverbs 5:19), and never identifies self sexual gratification as an evil passion or lust.

What about "uncleanness" (Colossians 3:5)? Doesn't the law identify masturbation, or at least the result of it, unclean? Yes it does.

If any man has an emission of semen, then he shall wash all his body in water, and be unclean until evening. And any garment and any leather on which there is semen, it shall be washed with water, and be unclean until evening. (Leviticus 15:16-17; see also verse 32)

Heterosexual intercourse is not in view here, because that comes in the following verse (verse 18). Therefore, there are two ways in which this "emission of semen" could happen. The ejaculation could be the result of a wet dream, "some occurrence in the night" (NKJV Deuteronomy 23:10; NAS "nocturnal emission," Hebrew, miqqerêh-lâylâh). Or, it could be the result of masturbation. Either way, the man is "unclean" until evening.

In the law, people are called unclean, but they have done nothing evil (Romans 14:14; Colossians 2:20-22), in and of itself (e.g. Leviticus 11:39; 15:5-8, 10-11, 19-23, 27; 17:15). In fact, in Numbers 19:7-8, 10, & 22, there they are obeying God's command, yet they become “unclean.” Also, the very next verse classifies people who have been involved in heterosexual intercourse as unclean as well (Leviticus 15:18), and clearly copulation of this sort is not evil in and of itself (Hebrews 13:4).

What about 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8?

This is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God; that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit. (1 Thessalonians 4:3-8)

These are some serious words to heed (Psalm 119:60)! But, again, what is being spoken of is sexual immorality, and masturbation is never identified as such. Someone may argue, "masturbation is not 'in sanctification and in honor.'" Says who? The Lord says no such thing (Proverbs 30:5-6).

II. Evil Thoughts Are Evil

Wicked men have debased minds that are filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, and evil-mindedness (Romans 1:28-29). They are "past feeling" and "have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness" (Ephesians 4:19). Therefore, it is no wonder that masturbation would be greatly abused and misused.

Jesus said,

You have heard that it was said to those of old, "You shall not commit adultery." But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matthew 5:27-28)

Jesus made it clear that adultery can be committed in the heart, even though no physical intercourse has taken place. "The imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth," (Genesis 8:21) so it would not be surprising to find evil masturbatic activity rampant in society. Masturbation with evil imaginations, which could include the use of pornographic material, is most certainly wicked.

But, masturbation, in and of itself, does not demand such evil thoughts. To say it does, goes beyond what is written (1 Corinthians 4:6), adds to the word of God (Proverbs 30:5-6), and denies Biblical freedom in Christ (Colossians 2:20-22).

III. To The Pure All Things Are Pure (Titus 1:15)

Paul wrote,

All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful. (1 Corinthians 10:23)

Masturbation is lawful. There is nothing in the word of God that condemns it. The Lord never even intimates that it is some form of abuse or not according to His purpose. There is nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9), and it is not as if this is a new thing of which the Lord was unaware! Leviticus 15:16-17 addresses the issue, at least the result of it, and no condemnation is given. Therefore, neither should we condemn what God does not (Matthew 7:1-2).

Furthermore, since it is a practice the Lord does not condemn, and Paul point blank says "All things are lawful," it is something that the pure, with pure thoughts, could practice and still be pure (Titus 1:15). In fact, those who maintain that masturbation is impure, are those who put man made regulations upon men. As Paul rebuked the Colossians for submitting to such things, saying,

If you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations - "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle," which all concern things which perish with the using - according to the commandments and doctrines of men? These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh. (Colossians 2:20-23)

Such a regulation of "Do not touch, . . . do not handle" your genitals, i.e. do not masturbate, is a commandment and doctrine of men. It may very well have the appearance of wisdom, but no such "wisdom" is found in the word of God. It is the wisdom of the world, which God calls foolishness (1 Corinthians 3:19); and it is indeed "self-imposed religion." It may very well result in "neglect of the body," that is, the body that is crying out for relief! It is also of "no value against the indulgence of the flesh." If anything, it exacerbates the problem. People left to no sexual satisfaction whatsoever, like Catholic priests who are told they cannot masturbate or get married, are left to the temptations of the flesh with little to no power to overcome.

"But," someone might argue, "believers, who have the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:23, "self-control"), should be able to overcome in such a situation." On the contrary, Scripture identifies Spirit filled married people as those who lack self-control in this area (1 Corinthians 7:5). Spirit filled single people may as well (1 Corinthians 7:9). Having the Holy Spirit does not mandate absolute control in this arena, especially when man made standards are placed upon an individual, standards that were never meant by God to be imposed (in righteousness, that is).

Finally, Paul said, "All things are lawful, but not all things are helpful." Can masturbation be helpful? Certainly, it can be helpful in alleviating the sexual drive, as long as it is done with pure thoughts, as it is written, "To the pure, all things are pure" (Titus 1:15). A godly person, motivated by a godly motive, certainly could masturbate without it being sinful or self-seeking. For example, a man of God wanting to alleviate the sexual drive in his striving to be pure and not wanting to be in a vulnerable position for temptation towards sexual immorality via pent-up sexual desires, could certainly masturbate with this in mind (wanting to be sexually pure) and it would be pure. Nothing in the word of God condemns this.

IV. Godly Limits

Even though Paul says, "All things are lawful for me," he also says, "but I will not be brought under the power of any" (1 Corinthians 6:12). Masturbation should not control the individual. The individual should be in control of any masturbation. Self-control is a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:23) and should be a continual reality in the life of any believer (Romans 8:5-6).

Also, for married people Paul writes,

Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. (1 Corinthians 7:3-5)

Since the wife and husband do not have authority over their own bodies, then masturbation should be in subjection to the spouse. In other words, any masturbation needs to be in submission to the spouse's desires and it should in no way diminish or take away from sexual intercourse and orgasm within the relationship. If it does, then a husband or a wife might deprive their spouse, either in part or in whole, in disobedience to 1 Corinthians 7:3-5.

Furthermore, as long as the spouse is available, sexual pleasure should be found in this relationship, as Proverbs declares to the man,

Let your fountain be blessed, and rejoice with the wife of your youth. As a loving deer and a graceful doe, let her breasts satisfy you at all times; and always be enraptured with her love. (Proverbs 5:18-19)

V. Conclusion

Those who maintain that masturbation is evil, in and of itself, are like the Pharisees of old of whom Christ said:

They bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. (Matthew 23:4; see also Luke 11:46)

The sexual desire is a God given desire (Romans 11:36) and it is not evil in and of itself (Romans 14:14). Moreover, God has made a way for even those who are not married (male or female), or those who are away from their spouse (like a soldier at war), to at least somewhat satisfy the sexual drive via masturbation. It is oppressive to teach that such an act is against the will of God, and it is evil to maintain such a cause against the innocent in this matter (Proverbs 30:5-6).

Scripture says,

To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. (Titus 1:15)

If you have been defiled on this subject by those who profess to know God but deny Him (Titus 1:16) and your conscience is not pure on this matter (Romans 14:22-23), it is high time to renew your mind.

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. (Romans 12:2)

This subject is a good example of Christ's words found in Matthew 11:28-30.

Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.

The commandments of men are burdensome, but God's commandments are not (1 John 5:3).

They are life to those who find them, and health to all their flesh. (Proverbs 4:22)
 
I dont want to be devils advocate here,but in my humble opinion I dont really see anything wrong with mastabation at all.I dont think anywhere in the bible it mentions being wrong.God made our bodies and he understands we are only human with sexual urges,especially someone like me whos been divorced for a long time or someone whos been single.we arent with anyone but that doesnt make us any less human and not have sexual feeling.I think porn is wrong though because its making another human cheap rather than loving someone the way God intended it to be.But if someone gets an urge in their bodies I think its wiser to relise that rather than sleeping about or getting into a relationship thats harmfull and wrong,its better than having sex outside of marriage.Also the context in how its done is to be consider of course if you was mastabating and thinking of a married person or someone of the same sex of course thats wrong,but if your mastabating not really thinking about anyone but just to relise that feeling then I dont see the harm in it because God made our bodies with sexually feelings,its just the way we are made.
 
where did the Bible ""specifically" said that God created our toes? Where does it said he made YOU? He said He made Adam, but NOT EXPLICITLY YOU. Where does Bible say drinking poison is prohibited? Where does God allow/prohibit the use of Cocaine? Mandrax?

But we know the answers, despite all the question.
My last question goes like this, and I will be happy if everybody will answer it so that I will be sure I'm not doing injustice.

Who here would be happy for the whole Church to know that is in mastubartion for 50 years mhh?

Me? No!
 
I agree with you that we must not use cocain or any kind of drug thats harmful to our bodies,because the bible tells us we are the temple of the Holly Spirit and we are not to defile our bodies with any kind of intoxincating drug,because it does the body harm.However I cant see how mastabating does the body harm,with all due respect I think married people in a loving relationship can all very well say that mastabation is wrong,but hey what about us unmarried people we too have needs and God is a loving understanding God and understands we too have needs,its better than sleeping with a married person and destroying their life or sleeping someone of the same sex.Yes there is a passage in the bible where it says God made every part of me Psalms 139:13-16 says oh yes you shapped me first inside,then out you formed me in my mothers womb.So there he mentions God creating all parts of the body, later says You know me inside and out and you know every bone in my body ,you know exactly how I was made bit by bit,how I was sculpptured from nothing into something.I think that sums up all the body parts.No the bible doesnt specfically mention creating me ,but it does say he created everyone,so you me and all is all including in there..peace and God bless
 
I agree with you that we must not use cocain or any kind of drug thats harmful to our bodies,because the bible tells us we are the temple of the Holly Spirit and we are not to defile our bodies with any kind of intoxincating drug,because it does the body harm.However I cant see how mastabating does the body harm,with all due respect I think married people in a loving relationship can all very well say that mastabation is wrong,but hey what about us unmarried people we too have needs and God is a loving understanding God and understands we too have needs,its better than sleeping with a married person and destroying their life or sleeping someone of the same sex.Yes there is a passage in the bible where it says God made every part of me Psalms 139:13-16 says oh yes you shapped me first inside,then out you formed me in my mothers womb.So there he mentions God creating all parts of the body, later says You know me inside and out and you know every bone in my body ,you know exactly how I was made bit by bit,how I was sculpptured from nothing into something.I think that sums up all the body parts.No the bible doesn't specfically mention creating me ,but it does say he created everyone,so you me and all is all including in there..peace and God bless

My questions are not targeted to you as person but everyone I disagree on the topic. I hope you get me :shade:

Now rephrasing the same question, where did God allow masturbation?

Romans 1:18-32 (King James Version)

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another;
men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Although the verses have largely been applied to atheists and homosexuals, and rightly so, I believe any unnatural use of body is due to foolishness, including masturbation; which is lust of the heart at the core, unnatural, against natural use.

Ask any doctor/grownup person natural use of sexual organs and masturbation is none of them. So, I'm 100% against masturbation and I believe God doesn't condone it, with all other unnatural actions (Like homosexuality, abortion..etc) and Lustful things (Lust after women, Playboys, playgirls, selfishness, etc).

I'm yet to see scriptural argument for masturbation
 
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Yes God is against all ungodliness ,in the bible we all know abortion ,adultery and homesexualluy is wrong,but it doesnt specificaly say mastabating is wrong,but thats what you want to include in the list as being wrong it seems.Im sorry but the bible also says Do not judge or you will be judge.Its all very well for happily married people to tell us single people its wrong to mastabate, but they dont know what its like.The bible also tells us to take the log out of our own eyes before offering to take the speck out of own.what right do you have to say its wrong?are you God?No only God is God whos the judge of us all!It might not be lust when we do it,we may very well be thinking of someone of the opposite sex that we love so very much that is single.I dont understand you say about the doctors?Its not something thats going to do any harm to myself or others ,so why complain about it so much?Its abit like in the Jewish days some ate meat,the others were vegetarian,well Im vegetarian but thats beside the point,but God explained not to condeem each other on that pointt,Jesus alone is our master,one day on judgement day we will stand side by side,but God will judge us NOT each other!
 
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Yes God is against all ungodliness ,in the bible we all know abortion ,adultery and homesexualluy is wrong,but it doesnt specificaly say mastabating is wrong,but thats what you want to include in the list as being wrong it seems.Im sorry but the bible also says Do not judge or you will be judge.Its all very well for happily married people to tell us single people its wrong to mastabate, but they dont know what its like.The bible also tells us to take the log out of our own eyes before offering to take the speck out of own.what right do you have to say its wrong?are you God?No only God is God whos the judge of us all!It might not be lust when we do it,we may very well be thinking of someone of the opposite sex that we love so very much that is single.I dont understand you say about the doctors?Its not something thats going to do any harm to myself or others ,so why complain about it so much?Its abit like in the Jewish days some ate meat,the others were vegetarian,well Im vegetarian but thats beside the point,but God explained not to condeem each other on that pointt,Jesus alone is our master,one day on judgement day we will stand side by side,but God will judge us NOT each other!

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.


Pro 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.

The bible teaches us to kill the flesh not to pamper and please it. Masturbation is always accompanied by lust and to lust in the heart is sin in God's eyes.

Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Pro 6:25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.
 
It is a sin

I am a virgin, but I use to masturbate alot, I have stopped recently praying, but the urge still comes on. I mean I really crave sex. I am not saying I wont ever masturbate again, but I am trying not to. It is lust and defiling yourself. Well, I dont know how AC Green did it, because he could actually get women. That dude remained a virgin till 40. Its starting to drive me crazy. I want to remain a virgin till Im married, I waited this long. I am so shy, and dont know how to talk to women, I dont know if I ever will get a woman, I am praying for one. And trying to speak more to women, smile more and wait for the Lord to send me a godly women, if he doesnt he doesnt. I cant say I wont mastuarbate ever again, because I have a strong sex drive, I pray in the Lord, he gives me the strength not to.
 
The Single Excuse

For us men who in our sinful lives, couldnt get women to give us the time of day, the overly emotional you married people dont know with its like is a cop out. I am a 28 year old virgin, and yes I use to masturbate like it was nobodys business. I have know it was wrong for years, I would stop for periods of time, and its still a struggle. Married people are telling you right. Sometimes I want to chop my pensis of because I want to have sex and be married. But, when you masturbate you are lusting and being selfish. I knew it was wrong when I read Leviticus and god said an emission defiles you. I am not saying its a sin that leads to death, but its a sin bro.

To the single men and women, I want to be open and honest with you. It is hard to remain a virgin and not want to masturbate, it is hard especially if you never had a girlfriend/boyfriend, and have no idea how to even begin to court or get courted. But we can encourage one another that no matter what, if we never have sex, which would SUCK, that we work hard to do GOds will, and thats to overcome the world.

I think sex is a beautiful thing, I know it is, God created it, but we have to do things the right way. There are many of Jesus Childrens who have had great sex lives and have come into christ. They struggled with fonication, and many of us in Jesus hands want to have sex lives and we struggle with never having sex.

One thing I do know is that marriage wont cure masturbation. Marriage wont cure fonication and in many cases marriage wont even cure lonliness. One thing about virgins and people who dont get sex, is we are at times overly emotional and overcome with grief. And trust God understands, read the bible, When the one brother in the bible, said if god granted him victory, he would kill the first thing that came through his door, it was his virgin daugther. She wept before she died, because she would ie a virgin.

Married people just have a different struggle than us lonely masturbating perverts. does it seem unfair, yes, but Jesus Chirst is Just!
 
For us men who in our sinful lives, couldnt get women to give us the time of day, the overly emotional you married people dont know with its like is a cop out. I am a 28 year old virgin, and yes I use to masturbate like it was nobodys business. I have know it was wrong for years, I would stop for periods of time, and its still a struggle. Married people are telling you right. Sometimes I want to chop my pensis of because I want to have sex and be married. But, when you masturbate you are lusting and being selfish. I knew it was wrong when I read Leviticus and god said an emission defiles you. I am not saying its a sin that leads to death, but its a sin bro.

To the single men and women, I want to be open and honest with you. It is hard to remain a virgin and not want to masturbate, it is hard especially if you never had a girlfriend/boyfriend, and have no idea how to even begin to court or get courted. But we can encourage one another that no matter what, if we never have sex, which would SUCK, that we work hard to do GOds will, and thats to overcome the world.

I think sex is a beautiful thing, I know it is, God created it, but we have to do things the right way. There are many of Jesus Childrens who have had great sex lives and have come into christ. They struggled with fonication, and many of us in Jesus hands want to have sex lives and we struggle with never having sex.

One thing I do know is that marriage wont cure masturbation. Marriage wont cure fonication and in many cases marriage wont even cure lonliness. One thing about virgins and people who dont get sex, is we are at times overly emotional and overcome with grief. And trust God understands, read the bible, When the one brother in the bible, said if god granted him victory, he would kill the first thing that came through his door, it was his virgin daugther. She wept before she died, because she would ie a virgin.

Married people just have a different struggle than us lonely masturbating perverts. does it seem unfair, yes, but Jesus Chirst is Just!
1Co 7:25 Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy.
1Co 7:26 Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for you to remain as you are.
1Co 7:27 Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife.
1Co 7:28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.
1Co 7:29 What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none;
1Co 7:30 those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep;
1Co 7:31 those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.
1Co 7:32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs--how he can please the Lord.
1Co 7:33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world--how he can please his wife--
1Co 7:34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world--how she can please her husband.
1Co 7:35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.
1Co 7:36 If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married.
1Co 7:37 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin--this man also does the right thing.
1Co 7:38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.
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Romans - 6:12 niv:Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
Romans - 7:5[niv]For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death.
Romans - 13:14 niv:Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
1Corinthians - 7:9 [niv]But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
2Corinthians - 1:17[niv]When I planned this, did I do it lightly? Or do I make my plans in a worldly manner so that in the same breath I say, "Yes, yes" and "No, no"? :wink:
 
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