Should Christians masturbate?

[JCslover]

I do love the word of God,but isant it difficult being single not to,I mean even single divorced people get the urge to have sex,and i thinkby relieving them feelings is alot less selfish than breaking up someones marriage because you havent expressed out them feelings,and its certainly alot less selfish than some christian monks who arent allowed to mastabate to mastabate rather than abuse some child because of their inner supressed feelings.I mean what are we supposed to do,we are only human too just because we not married doesnt make usd less human,and why would it be unnatural when God himself has given us these feelings?I think Im very rare here,I think I must be in a very small percentage thats a christian and says its ok to mastabate.Isant God a compassionnate caring God?well what sort of God would give us these strong feelings,not let us find our soulmate ,then condem us for mastabating,im sorry but i know a very different God to that,he wouldnt let us remain under sexual torture and besides who is it hurting,noone I thought so

 

[JCslover]

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Pro 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.

The bible teaches us to kill the flesh not to pamper and please it. Masturbation is always accompanied by lust and to lust in the heart is sin in God's eyes.

Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Pro 6:25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.

Im sorry but if we are not to pamper the flesh but kill it,then God wouldnt of made no sex at all,if we are to be that holy,noone is Jesus theres only one Jesus noone can compare

 

[bamagrad05]

Just Spread the Love mixed with salt

I just want to encourage all people on this site, not argue when its not necessary. Only thing I will defend is the scriptures. I never been married, I want to be married. I dont mastaurbate anymore. I do think its a sin. I will leave this subject alone about the window who fantizes about her dead husband. I might be wrong, but lusting and masturbating is not right.

 

[soberxp]

1Co 7:25 Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy.
1Co 7:26 Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for you to remain as you are.
1Co 7:27 Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife.
1Co 7:28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.
1Co 7:29 What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none;
1Co 7:30 those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep;
1Co 7:31 those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.
1Co 7:32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs--how he can please the Lord.
1Co 7:33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world--how he can please his wife--
1Co 7:34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world--how she can please her husband.
1Co 7:35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.
1Co 7:36 If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married.
1Co 7:37 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin--this man also does the right thing.
1Co 7:38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.
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Romans - 6:12 niv:Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
Romans - 7:5[niv]For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death.
Romans - 13:14 niv:Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
1Corinthians - 7:9 [niv]But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
2Corinthians - 1:17[niv]When I planned this, did I do it lightly? Or do I make my plans in a worldly manner so that in the same breath I say, "Yes, yes" and "No, no"? :wink:

.................have not been read bible?

 

[soberxp]

I think its abit unfair yoy to say mastabating is selfish,you are a virgin,its harder you had a sexual life and now you dont,i dont take that too kindly at all.you say the married have different struggles maybe they do but what i do know is that God made Adam and Eve he said its not right for man to be alone ,he gave us these urges,so what are we meant to do then,im not going to go out and have wrong relationship just to fulfil it,yes even when empowered with the holy spirit we have these urges,its natural because God put it there and he understands and doenst condem me and is not petty rule minded,but he does however makes rules to love and show people love,i dont mean any offence what i say,i wish peace on everyone,but im just expressing how I feel.It might not always be lust,would you say that if a womans husband died and she mastabated thinking of him it would be wrong?No way would be my answer shes thinking of him in LOVE NOT lust,Gods a God of LOVE not keeping petty jewish rules

Romans - 13:14 niv:Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

Galatians - 5:16
kjv:This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
niv:So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

Galatians - 5:17
kjv:For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
niv:For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want.

Galatians - 5:19
kjv:Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
niv:The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;

Ephesians - 2:3
kjv:Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
niv:All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.

Ephesians - 4:19
kjv:Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
niv:Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.

so what's uncleanness ?.................have not been read bible?

BTW.jewish rules in OT not in NT

 

[JCslover]

I just want to encourage all people on this site, not argue when its not necessary. Only thing I will defend is the scriptures. I never been married, I want to be married. I dont mastaurbate anymore. I do think its a sin. I will leave this subject alone about the window who fantizes about her dead husband. I might be wrong, but lusting and masturbating is not right.

ok thats fair enough,i too defend the scriptures and Jesus of course I do,we all see things differently and interpret the bible differently,I have indeed been married before was a very unhappy marriage so im the first one to know its not always happy,im divorced now,hope to met my soulmate one day when God allows me too ,i think we should agree to disagree and let God be our only judge,is that fair enough?

 

[JCslover]

Romans - 13:14 niv:Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

Galatians - 5:16
kjv:This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
niv:So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

Galatians - 5:17
kjv:For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
niv:For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want.

Galatians - 5:19
kjv:Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
niv:The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;

Ephesians - 2:3
kjv:Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
niv:All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.

Ephesians - 4:19
kjv:Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
niv:Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.

so what's uncleanness ?.................have not been read bible?

BTW.jewish rules in OT not in NT

of course I read the bible,i study the word daily

 

[JCslover]

I have no problem with the word of God, its people who mock others who are honestly seeking wisdom and insight with scriptures. You have a nasty attitude, so I will leave you alone. You just come here to beat people up with scriptures. I have seen people like that plenty nothing knew.

Have you ever read the word of god, when jesus said, you keep all my laws and commands, that is god, but if you lack love its all in vain? I am sure can find that

Im so sorry i really dont mean to be so horrible,i mean i dont,im struggling you know with lonilness i have christ but i cry myself to sleep where im alone,im not getting any younger im a 34 year woman.Im sorry if i come across nasty,but i do love Jesus so much and i love all people too

 

[soberxp]

Im talking to the chinese person, not you. I understand your struggle. I have to fight not to mastaurbate. Im not going to lie like im so holy. This dude just quotes all this scriptures after everthing a person says. Its like hes not even a human being.

Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. :shock::shade:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Eph 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Eph 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
Eph 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.

Ephesians - 4:26
kjv:Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
niv:"In your anger do not sin" : Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry,



P.S

BTW,

1Timothy - 1Timothy 2:15 :Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

rofl! who are they?!

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

 

[evstevemd]

I just want to encourage all people on this site, not argue when its not necessary. Only thing I will defend is the scriptures. I never been married, I want to be married. I dont mastaurbate anymore. I do think its a sin. I will leave this subject alone about the window who fantizes about her dead husband. I might be wrong, but lusting and masturbating is not right.

Lust and Masturbation goes hand to hand and I wholehearted agree with your conclusions. It is sin because:
1. It is driven by lust which God hates
2. It is misuse of Natural use of sex (Just like homosexuality)
So I agree with you on that

ok thats fair enough,i too defend the scriptures and Jesus of course I do,we all see things differently and interpret the bible differently,

many people say that but don't realize that by saying so they are accusing God for ambiguity and confusion in His Word. I believe God is crystal clear and doesn't allow for that!

I have indeed been married before was a very unhappy marriage so im the first one to know its not always happy,im divorced now,hope to met my soulmate one day when God allows me too

I'm sorry for that, but keep strengthening on the Lord. But be on Guard that as long as your husband lives, if ye get remarried you commit adultery. Again I'm sorry for what you are in, but keep strengthened. I will be happy to share with you and encourage you through emails etc if you like, to be a brother, and keep you warm.

Very sorry! :coocoo:

i think we should agree to disagree and let God be our only judge,is that fair enough?

Again I have to disagree with this classic contradiction. We cannot do that! We can agree keep discussing

Keep researching and studying the Word on the topic and I believe you will understand what I have discovered in the same Word on the topic.

 

[JCslover]

Lust and Masturbation goes hand to hand and I wholehearted agree with your conclusions. It is sin because:
1. It is driven by lust which God hates
2. It is misuse of Natural use of sex (Just like homosexuality)
So I agree with you on that


many people say that but don't realize that by saying so they are accusing God for ambiguity and confusion in His Word. I believe God is crystal clear and doesn't allow for that!


I'm sorry for that, but keep strengthening on the Lord. But be on Guard that as long as your husband lives, if ye get remarried you commit adultery. Again I'm sorry for what you are in, but keep strengthened. I will be happy to share with you and encourage you through emails etc if you like, to be a brother, and keep you warm.

Very sorry! :coocoo:


Again I have to disagree with this classic contradiction. We cannot do that! We can agree keep discussing

Keep researching and studying the Word on the topic and I believe you will understand what I have discovered in the same Word on the topic.

Im sorry but what you are saying is all very judgemental the bible also crystal clearly says do not juidge or you will be judged,how can you say its as bad as homosexuality come on this is ridicolous,so lust is worng yes i agree but what are you doing when you are eatoing a jam donut,you are satisfying your lust there too are you not?What makes you think its always driven by lust,you got no right to judge a persons heart.I aint accusing God for nothing,you are accusing me though when it clearly says do not judge.Im sorry but you dont know what i went through with my last marriage you got no right in telling me whether i should remarry or not,so i have to stay in an unhappy marriage where he was abusivive ,got me in debt ,lusted after other woman,keep deserting me for the slight bit of problem,im sorry but if thats the case then God is a cruel mean petty minded God that doesnt mind us suffereing ,thats not the God that I know and love my god is alot more fairer than that,he wouldnt want me to stay in a abusive unloving situation,with someone that sleeps around,im sorry but this comment has really hurt my heart.

 

[Boanerges]

Im sorry but what you are saying is all very judgemental the bible also crystal clearly says do not juidge or you will be judged

That is a classic misinterpretation. One walking in the Spirit. walking close to God's heart can certainly judge accurately. fairly and scripturally.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

 

[JCslover]

That is a classic misinterpretation. One walking in the Spirit. walking close to God's heart can certainly judge accurately. fairly and scripturally.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Indeed Im walking in the spirit ,i love jesus with all my heart and I have done so for years and years,so my walk with Jesus is close.Thats great then when Im in Christ noone can condemn me only the saviour himself,but hes not in the business of doing that,because hes a kind forgiving God full of mercy full of love.But even the pharasis thought they were walking in the spirit but they were not because insted of focussing and loving jesus they were too busy trying to condemn others ,trying to make themselfs out to be holier than the rest!And what its worth i dont interpreted in the way that you got a right to judge others as only christ can do that,but the way i interpret such a verse its meaning that we can judge all things in other words we can judge for ourself our own right actions way of thinking,but we cant judge others,i see it differently to you

 

[soberxp]

has not been read bible.............

 

[bamagrad05]

Divorce and Remarriage

Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery Luke 16:18


To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. 1 Corn 7:11


For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. Romans 7

But Jesus said to them, "For your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6 But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.' 7 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. 9 What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder."

 

[JCslover]

Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery Luke 16:18


To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. 1 Corn 7:11


For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. Romans 7

But Jesus said to them, "For your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6 But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.' 7 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. 9 What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder."

I sent you a pm about this,i feel comfortable in only sharing this with a few people,i do agree marriage is for life,but without going into details here by Gods law I have a good reason why i can marry again,something he did but id rather not share it here,but Jesus said its ok to remarry if your ex did this.sorry cant share but its abit sore but i do have biblical backup,but id rather not go into it,just say my hearts been very badly hurt back then,but by Gods grace im now ok

 

[evstevemd]

Im sorry but what you are saying is all very judgemental the bible also crystal clearly says do not juidge or you will be judged,

sure I'm judgmental, I don't deny that. But my Judgment is explicitly relying on the Word of God. And every Christian MUST accept to be judged according to the Word of CHRIST. The Classic technique of misusing the verse is quoting the part and drop the rest. Here is the verse in full (Italics Mine)

Matthew 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

So, as long as Judgment is sound and non hypocritical (Which I believe mine is), I'm correct. I stand to be corrected according to the world. Christ much of the time judged.

how can you say its as bad as homosexuality come on this is ridicolous,so lust is worng yes i agree but what are you doing when you are eatoing a jam donut,you are satisfying your lust there too are you not?

Romans 1:26
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

The buzzword here is natural use according to God. Anyway, what is the sin of homosexuality? Is it not do things in way God didn't create them to be used? Why on earth would you think that God created sexual organs for masturbation?

What makes you think its always driven by lust,

I did it long ago before I was a Christian, so I know what I'm saying!

you got no right to judge a persons heart.

I have right to judge the fruits. Anyway, who have got that right? and how judges he/she/it? remember: do not juidge or you will be judged

I aint accusing God for nothing,you are accusing me though when it clearly says do not judge.

My comments are clear and I don't need to repeat anything here!

Im sorry but you dont know what i went through with my last marriage

I cannot know exactly but it is painful to go into such situation.

you got no right in telling me whether i should remarry or not,

Sure, but I have got all rights to warn you unless you disown me as your brother in Christ. Even so, I will keep warning...

so i have to stay in an unhappy marriage where he was abusivive ,got me in debt ,lusted after other woman,keep deserting me for the slight bit of problem,

That is not a good husband, but then God says: Mark 10:9 - What God has joined together let no man put asunder

im sorry but if thats the case then God is a cruel mean petty minded God that doesnt mind us suffereing ,thats not the God that I know and love my god is alot more fairer than that,he wouldnt want me to stay in a abusive unloving situation,with someone that sleeps around,

Would you blame God for your poor choices? No, I have been through hardship some time in my life and I knew that I made poor choices and I wouldn't try to stain God's character. Be careful that you don't create "your god" which only exists in your imagination. God's law is immutable, It cannot change. God allowed for separation, but never a divorce/remarriage.

im sorry but this comment has really hurt my heart.

Whoop! Even doctors need to hurt our wounds in washing them and bandaging. I hope you will see God int His true Word and true Character