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Signs before Jesus comes

Eric E Stahl

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Signs before Jesus comes
Matthew 24:3-8
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Luke also list the same signs as Matthew but adds fearful sights and great signs from the heavens. We may see more meteors and comets and asteroids.

Luke 21:9-11
and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
 
To All,

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Zephaniah 1:-2:3

14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.

17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

(((Israel became a nation again in 1948. The day of the Lord is very,very near)))
1 Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired;
2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD's anger come upon you.
3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger.
 

Daniel 12:4-10
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
 
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When I see the words "wars and rumors of wars" I think about what happened after 911 and how much we heard about the war on terror. We had such a long period of peace and then two wars within a few years of each other.
 
When I see the words "wars and rumors of wars" I think about what happened after 911 and how much we heard about the war on terror. We had such a long period of peace and then two wars within a few years of each other.

I watch a farm program where they talk about crops and weather and projected crop carry over to the next year. America's reserve of grain is so low we are in danger of running out of soybeans for animal food till the next crop harvest. Famine for the world is knocking on the door if our crop fails.
 
verse 6 of the matthew text says it most clear...THESE THINGS MUST COME TO PASS...! what we are seeing now and will see in the future are needed to ushher in the Kingdom Of God on this world.. FEAR NOT it says we are all in the plan set forth by the Hand of God almighty.....Rev
 
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verse 6 of the matthew text says it most clear...THESE THINGS MUST COME TO PASS...! what we are seeing now and will see in the future are needed to ushher in the Kingdom Of God on this world.. FEAR NOT it says we are all in the plan set forth by the Hand of God almighty.....Rev

It is good to remember that these signs are there to encourage us and not to scare us. It means our redeemer is drawing near. And he knows how to care for his own.
 
Isaiah 30

18 And therefore will the LORD wait, that he may be gracious unto you, and therefore will he be exalted, that he may have mercy upon you: for the LORD is a God of judgment: blessed are all they that wait for him.

(((1967 through today)))

19 For the people shall dwell in Zion at Jerusalem: thou shalt weep no more: he will be very gracious unto thee at the voice of thy cry; when he shall hear it, he will answer thee.
20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:
21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left. 22 Ye shall defile also the covering of thy graven images of silver, and the ornament of thy molten images of gold: thou shalt cast them away as a menstruous cloth; thou shalt say unto it, Get thee hence.
23 Then shall he give the rain of thy seed, that thou shalt sow the ground withal; and bread of the increase of the earth, and it shall be fat and plenteous: in that day shall thy cattle feed in large pastures.
24 The oxen likewise and the young asses that ear the ground shall eat clean provender, which hath been winnowed with the shovel and with the fan.

(((the coming day of the Lord)))

25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:
 
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1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 
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The coming of the Antichrist will be a major one or clue to where we're situated in terms of the timeframe, but for me the obvious is the re-establishment of the country Israel after 2000years of non-existence, see Jesus's prophecy of the fig-tree that withered, Matt 24........and the generation of that time......we are that generation.
 
The coming of the Antichrist will be a major one or clue to where we're situated in terms of the timeframe, but for me the obvious is the re-establishment of the country Israel after 2000years of non-existence, see Jesus's prophecy of the fig-tree that withered, Matt 24........and the generation of that time......we are that generation.

rodd,

Read post #2. The gathering of Israel is the sign that the day of the Lord is very,very near so the rapture must be very, very, very near!
 
rodd,

Read post #2. The gathering of Israel is the sign that the day of the Lord is very,very near so the rapture must be very, very, very near!

Eric, I know you'll probably think," oh I've heard all that kind of stuff before", but, is it ok if I unload a little on you about this type of stuff, just a friendly discussion if you know what I mean.
 
Eric, I know you'll probably think," oh I've heard all that kind of stuff before", but, is it ok if I unload a little on you about this type of stuff, just a friendly discussion if you know what I mean.

Yes, That is a very interesting passage.
[h=2]Matthew 24[/h] 32 "Now learn [SUB]h[/SUB] this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.
33 "So you also, when you see all these things, know [SUB]i[/SUB] that [SUB]1[/SUB] it [SUB]1[/SUB] is near - at the doors!
34 "Assuredly, I say to you, [SUB]j[/SUB] this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
35 [SUB]k[/SUB] "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.


rodd if you go to the orange block at the top where it says bible and click on it you can select a bible version and copy the passage you want to talk about. It is great!
 
I've tried to quote you but the site won't let me till I've got up 100 posts I think, why?, I don't know but I'll try tomorrow, thanks for the reply.
See my reply "China to follow AC".
 
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The gathering of Israel is the sign that the day of the Lord is very,very near so the rapture must be very, very, very near!
Of course if our "rapture" is similar to, or the same that of Stephen, we must always have our lamps filled, and our eyes focused on heaven, and on God's glory, and on Jesus at His right hand... Then perhaps we will also not notice the stones snuffing out the natural man.
 
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I've tried to quote you but the site won't let me till I've got up 100 posts I think, why?, I don't know but I'll try tomorrow, thanks for the reply.
See my reply "China to follow AC".

I love to talk about bible prophecy. If you have any thing that you would like to discuss I am game.
 
Of course if our "rapture" is similar to, or the same that of Stephen, we must always have our lamps filled, and our eyes focused on heaven, and on God's glory, and on Jesus at His right hand... Then perhaps we will also not notice the stones snuffing out the natural man.

I am hoping for all of us to go at the same time! But if Jesus says I must come alone, then let it be so.

Did you get some snow?
 
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I am hoping for all of us to go at the same time! But if Jesus says I must come alone, then let it be so.

Did you get some snow?
No, only very cold rain, which was very welcome as the drought seems to be trying to come to an end for Oklahoma. To our west they received a lot ice and hail from what I understand.
As to all of us going at the same time, I wouldn't count on that. My father who was very close to the Lord died a bit over 20 years ago. My paternal grandmother who was one of my early witnesses died in 1985. They definitely are not going with anyone still walking around today. Just in case you didn't catch it, I do not believe in a rapture as most people define rapture. No problem as I do not expect everyone to agree with me. I do hope that all of us agree with God.
 
I believe the scripture gives us many signs especially in relation to the activities of Antichrist and the development of global governance since the re-establishment of the State of Israel after a 1900 year non-existence.
All this must fit within a 70 year timeframe since Sept 1948, the application to this date is a little tricky, because even applying the 70 years as one would normally do would give a past date for the start of the tribulation of >1948+70=2018-7years=2011 start to trib.
So far the Antichrist hasn't been revealed leading a ten nation or province region nor has the peace treaty of 7 years mediated by Antichrist occurred, so we know a 1948 + 70>2018-7 for the trib start is incorrect.
Personally I believe the 1948 date must be regarded as 1949, or the fullness of the year, making the start to the Matt 24 gen prophesy 1949. If we then go forward 70 years and apply the same fullness to the final year 2019 we actually have 2020 as the number we us minus the 7years of tribulation gives us a start date of 2013.
This year I believe we will see the start of the Mediterranean Union the Empire of Antichrist the re-establishment of the old Roman Empire, the brainchild of the man I do believe will be the Antichrist and soon, Nicholas Sarkozy the ex-French President, he is having a sabatical just at this moment, no one will suspect him when he takes control because the world has seen him before.
Israel and Syria are both supposed to be included within this new exclusive region. i can see a peace treaty coming!
In Daniel 7:24, he(Antichrist) will subdue 3 kings, these where the objectionable sovereign states of this new region, Egypt, Libya and the third will be Syria.
Mabarak and Gadaffi liked their independence.
Daniel 11:43, The first two will go in sequence and did go, both Egypt and Libya, this scripture actually tells us the countries, third country has to do with the alias name of the Antichrist "The Assyrian", or "The Syrian", same thing. the next to complete the 3 is Syria, then the 7yr peace treaty of the AC and his rule and reign, to happen 2013, keep watch!
Incidentally not only is the Mediterranean Union the brainchild of Nicolas Sarkozy, but instigated the over- throw of both Egypt and Libya, that's why I do believe he is the Man of Sin.
He will be back soon in my opinion for the fall of Syria, and the establishment of his Empire.
 
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