Signs before Jesus comes

Eric E Stahl · Apr 10, 2013

amadeus2 said:
No, only very cold rain, which was very welcome as the drought seems to be trying to come to an end for Oklahoma. To our west they received a lot ice and hail from what I understand.
As to all of us going at the same time, I wouldn't count on that. My father who was very close to the Lord died a bit over 20 years ago. My paternal grandmother who was one of my early witnesses died in 1985. They definitely are not going with anyone still walking around today. Just in case you didn't catch it, I do not believe in a rapture as most people define rapture. No problem as I do not expect everyone to agree with me. I do hope that all of us agree with God.

What do you believe about a rapture? What scriptures do you use to give you your understanding?

Eric E Stahl · Apr 10, 2013

rodd said:
I believe the scripture gives us many signs especially in relation to the activities of Antichrist and the development of global governance since the re-establishment of the State of Israel after a 1900 year non-existence.
All this must fit within a 70 year timeframe since Sept 1948, the application to this date is a little tricky, because even applying the 70 years as one would normally do would give a past date for the start of the tribulation of >1948+70=2018-7years=2011 start to trib.
So far the Antichrist hasn't been revealed leading a ten nation or province region nor has the peace treaty of 7 years mediated by Antichrist occurred, so we know a 1948 + 70>2018-7 for the trib start is incorrect.
Personally I believe the 1948 date must be regarded as 1949, or the fullness of the year, making the start to the Matt 24 gen prophesy 1949. If we then go forward 70 years and apply the same fullness to the final year 2019 we actually have 2020 as the number we us minus the 7years of tribulation gives us a start date of 2013.
This year I believe we will see the start of the Mediterranean Union the Empire of Antichrist the re-establishment of the old Roman Empire, the brainchild of the man I do believe will be the Antichrist and soon, Nicholas Sarkozy the ex-French President, he is having a sabatical just at this moment, no one will suspect him when he takes control because the world has seen him before.
Israel and Syria are both supposed to be included within this new exclusive region. i can see a peace treaty coming!
In Daniel 7:24, he(Antichrist) will subdue 3 kings, these where the objectionable sovereign states of this new region, Egypt, Libya and the third will be Syria.
Mabarak and Gadaffi liked their independence.
Daniel 11:43, The first two will go in sequence and did go, both Egypt and Libya, this scripture actually tells us the countries, third country has to do with the alias name of the Antichrist "The Assyrian", or "The Syrian", same thing. the next to complete the 3 is Syria, then the 7yr peace treaty of the AC and his rule and reign, to happen 2013, keep watch!
Incidentally not only is the Mediterranean Union the brainchild of Nicolas Sarkozy, but instigated the over- throw of both Egypt and Libya, that's why I do believe he is the Man of Sin.
He will be back soon in my opinion for the fall of Syria, and the establishment of his Empire.

Strypes · Apr 10, 2013

Signs Signs Everywhere Signs...

*Can't you read the signs*....

There are all kinds of videos on youtube of bizarre stuff happening all over the planet. The increase in volcanic activity world wide is almost every day now... dozens a day even..and red rivers and mass beaching of all kinds of critters from sardines to whales and birds and pigs and and and ... we are definitely in a time of trouble.

The most fascinating video I have seen lately is by a guy named Scottie...

Revelation Chapter Twelve....

ESV
1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

September something 2017, if you are facing east, JUST BEFORE SUNRISE, standing in Jerusalem, you will see the constellation "Leo". The constellation has nine major stars one of which is Regulus, the heart of the Lion. There will be three planets in conjunction with Regulus (Mercury, Venus, and Mars). Nine plus three equals twelve....

Next to rise in the east after Leo is Virgo as the sun rises. Keep in mind that the stars and planets are still there even when we can't see them anymore because of the light of the sun. After the sun rises with Virgo, the moon appears.

Revelation 12 is the mid point of Revelation. It also continues on regarding the mid point of the seven year thing..... so September 2017 minus three and a half years will be around spring of 2014....

Captivating isn't it?

Ok ok.. It is my thoughts that the most awesome time of year for the Rapture of the Saints would be when the long blast is blown from the Shofar during the fall festival (Feast of Trumpets)...

There is only one more "Feast of Trumpets" before Spring of 2014... That would be September of THIS year... A wee bit more time than the three and a half but we are promised that those days would be shortened...Tiz True

Scotties video on youtube is called "the most logical rapture theory on youtube".. He has the blood moon charts and everything... But the visual of the woman clothed in the sun.. awesome!

amadeus2 · Apr 10, 2013

Eric E Stahl said:
What do you believe about a rapture? What scriptures do you use to give you your understanding?

What I try to do is not limit God by my interpretations. I don't believe in individuals now being given preferential treatment over those who have gone before us, but am I God who knows all? Many finished their course here as did Jesus and as did Paul. They were not spared and Jesus was not spared. Of the eleven apostles who did not betray Jesus apparently only John did not suffer martyrdom. God is no respecter of persons.

"Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also." John 15:20

Then again, even if there were to be such a rapture as you anticipate, what is that to you or to me?

"Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me." John 21:22

Unless it happens before we meet a natural death or accidental death or are killed in some other unexpected manner, we would not be a part of it in any case. We must be ready to go when He knocks on our door, even if we are all alone.

"Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." Matt 6:34

Eric E Stahl · Apr 11, 2013

Strypes said:
Signs Signs Everywhere Signs...

*Can't you read the signs*....

There are all kinds of videos on youtube of bizarre stuff happening all over the planet. The increase in volcanic activity world wide is almost every day now... dozens a day even..and red rivers and mass beaching of all kinds of critters from sardines to whales and birds and pigs and and and ... we are definitely in a time of trouble.

The most fascinating video I have seen lately is by a guy named Scottie...

September something 2017, if you are facing east, JUST BEFORE SUNRISE, standing in Jerusalem, you will see the constellation "Leo". The constellation has nine major stars one of which is Regulus, the heart of the Lion. There will be three planets in conjunction with Regulus (Mercury, Venus, and Mars). Nine plus three equals twelve....

Next to rise in the east after Leo is Virgo as the sun rises. Keep in mind that the stars and planets are still there even when we can't see them anymore because of the light of the sun. After the sun rises with Virgo, the moon appears.

Revelation 12 is the mid point of Revelation. It also continues on regarding the mid point of the seven year thing..... so September 2017 minus three and a half years will be around spring of 2014....

Captivating isn't it?

Ok ok.. It is my thoughts that the most awesome time of year for the Rapture of the Saints would be when the long blast is blown from the Shofar during the fall festival (Feast of Trumpets)...

There is only one more "Feast of Trumpets" before Spring of 2014... That would be September of THIS year... A wee bit more time than the three and a half but we are promised that those days would be shortened...Tiz True

Scotties video on youtube is called "the most logical rapture theory on youtube".. He has the blood moon charts and everything... But the visual of the woman clothed in the sun.. awesome!

Very interesting! We will know soon if it is right.

Revelation 11:14 is the end of the first half of the tribulation when the two witnesses have finished their testimony.

rodd · Apr 11, 2013

The generation Jesus refers to concords with the seventy year periods of daniel, as does the last seven or apocaliptic time period which mirrors the times time and half a time x2 of revelation, if the seventy is correct of which I'm certain, we shall certainly soon know about it!

As Daniel states he will make Daniel 9:27 happen, He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven. In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.

This means the Antichrist will facilitate a peace treaty for seven years, there will be a temple and the formal legalistic Jewish worship of God will be outlawed after 3.5yrs.
In the initial 3.5 years of the tribulation Orthodox Evangelical Chrisitianity will be targeted by the secular powers, Revelation 13:5+7. Obviously at this time all governments act as one, as franchise states under his central outhority. It's hard to think that this might be the case as the media gives us the impression we are independent and sovereign nations, which is far from fact.
But as we near the coming of the Lord this must be the case if the prophesies are fulfilled to the letter.
The phrase Daniel uses, this period will "Come like a flood," means there won't be much time to evaluate what's happening when these things take place, it will come suddenly.
Keep watch as things start to happen.,

Eric E Stahl · Apr 14, 2013

rodd said:
The generation Jesus refers to concords with the seventy year periods of daniel, as does the last seven or apocaliptic time period which mirrors the times time and half a time x2 of revelation, if the seventy is correct of which I'm certain, we shall certainly soon know about it!

As Daniel states he will make Daniel 9:27 happen, He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven. In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.

This means the Antichrist will facilitate a peace treaty for seven years, there will be a temple and the formal legalistic Jewish worship of God will be outlawed after 3.5yrs.
In the initial 3.5 years of the tribulation Orthodox Evangelical Chrisitianity will be targeted by the secular powers, Revelation 13:5+7. Obviously at this time all governments act as one, as franchise states under his central outhority. It's hard to think that this might be the case as the media gives us the impression we are independent and sovereign nations, which is far from fact.
But as we near the coming of the Lord this must be the case if the prophesies are fulfilled to the letter.
The phrase Daniel uses, this period will "Come like a flood," means there won't be much time to evaluate what's happening when these things take place, it will come suddenly.
Keep watch as things start to happen.,

Rodd,
God said it is Mystery Babylon or the apostate church which rules the kings of the earth in the first half of the tribulation and kills the saints.
That is why God puts it in the hearts of the kings to rebel against the church and give their power to the antichrist.

<style>  </style> Revelation 17:5-6, 15-18
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the ***** sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the *****, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

rodd · Apr 14, 2013

Eric if you read Daniel 7:20-22, We are to be the victims of the facist world state of Antichrist according to scripture, also see Daniel 7:24-25, here we see states and their union with the Antichrist destroying Christianity and it's rights to exist in society.
This parallels the sixth seal of Revelation 6:11 and Revelation 13:5-7, throughout history the Roman Catholic Church has waged war against the Saints, that's true, but in this last hour it's them and the secular authorities as well.

Notice that over the last few days the new Pope Francis has determined that the RC church be reformed and has appointed 8 bishops to make radical changes forthwith.
I do believe this Francis is the beast Pope, a Jesuit with tradition more Satanic than Christian, if you don't understand learn about the informace Jesuits, the catholic soldiers of the counter reformation.
He(Francis) is the eighth king Pope since the 1927 Lateran Treaty Revelation 17:10. The eighth from that time is the false prophet of the tribulation.

He arrived a little before the AC but then the AC creates his own Empire of power. In my opinion AC will be Nicolas Sarkozy with his Mediterranean Union. The work of creating this new Union was done when he was president of France, that was what the wars against Gadaffi's Libya and Marbarak's overthrow in Egypt were about, clearing the objectionable nations out of the way for this new AC Empire in the near future. Syria is still in process.
It is due 2013 IMO, so time will tell if what I'm saying is true or false.

Eric E Stahl · Apr 14, 2013

rodd said:
Eric if you read Daniel 7:20-22, We are to be the victims of the facist world state of Antichrist according to scripture, also see Daniel 7:24-25, here we see states and their union with the Antichrist destroying Christianity and it's rights to exist in society.
This parallels the sixth seal of Revelation 6:11 and Revelation 13:5-7, throughout history the Roman Catholic Church has waged war against the Saints, that's true, but in this last hour it's them and the secular authorities as well.
Notice that over the last few days the new Pope Francis has determined that the RC church be reformed and has appointed 8 bishops to make radical changes forthwith.
I do believe this Francis is the beast Pope, a Jesuit with tradition more Satanic than Christian, if you don't understand learn about the informace Jesuits, the catholic soldiers of the counter reformation.

The antichrist will lead the political world powers after God causes the 10 Kings who control the earth to give their power to the antichrist. Revelation 11:1-2 teaches that he will only have control for 42 months or the last half of the tribulation.

rodd · Apr 14, 2013

He does, and it is only 42 mths, in Daniel 7:22 an illusion is made toward a mid tribulaion rapture IMO.....what do you think? Also Revelation 7 has the majority in heaven before the post tribulation group arrive, which again seems to parallel the Daniel scripture, the rapture of the church at the 42mth timeline,........ what do you think?
I believe in the mid trib-rapture theory, because of these points of scripture among others.

I must read my messages, thanks.

Eric E Stahl · Apr 14, 2013

rodd said:
He does, and it is only 42 mths, in Daniel 7:22 an illusion is made toward a mid tribulaion rapture IMO.....what do you think? Also Revelation 7 has the majority in heaven before the post tribulation group arrive, which again seems to parallel the Daniel scripture, the rapture of the church at the 42mth timeline,........ what do you think?
I believe in the mid trib-rapture theory, because of these points of scripture among others.

I must read my messages, thanks.

I believe the following;

<style>  </style> The Five Phases of the First Resurrection

(1) Jesus took the Old Testament saints to Heaven at His ascension. Ephesians 4:8 <acronym>KJV</acronym>

(2) The Holy Spirit and the church age saints are caught up to heaven before the antichrist Is given power in the Christian nations. 2Thessalonians 2:3-12 <acronym>KJV</acronym>,

(3) The mid tribulation catching up will include the two witnesses Revelation 11:3,7-14 <acronym>KJV</acronym>, the 144,000 sealed Jews from Revelation chapter 7 who where redeemed from the earth. Revelation 14:1-4 <acronym>KJV</acronym>, and the redeemed dead saints from the first half of the Tribulation. See Revelation 15:1-4 <acronym>KJV</acronym>

(4) The dead saints from the last half of the tribulation are redeemed from the earth after the tribulation. Revelation 20:4 <acronym>KJV</acronym>

(5) The dead saints from the Kingdom age will be judged at the great white throne judgment along with the second resurrection sinners. Revelation 20:11-15 <acronym>KJV</acronym>

rodd · Apr 15, 2013

I'll do my best to explain my positions briefly:

1) YES.

2) 2 Thess 2:3-12, The he that is holding him back is God himself the restraint of the Holy Spirit, not the church who is referred to as the bride or she, definately not he. No the holding back is the power of God and his will that all things must happen at his appointment and not any other.
Quite the contrary, the Antichrist makes war against the saints scripture says, meaning we're on earth and he is as well. Remember things will change drastically, scripture says, It will come like a flood, in other words before you have time to think. So no I'm sure his 42mths of freedom to rule will occur in the first half of the 7year tribulation.

3) The two witnesses and the 144,000 are in the second half of the tribulation, at the end they join the mulitudes around the throne chapter7 revelation, these are they who went through the great tribulation. They are elected remnant that are protected through this hellish time on earth. The church has been raptured is at the marriage supper of the lamb.
At that time it's woe to all those that dwell upon the earth apart from this little remnant of Israel, no, we are the beloved of God, we are no longer the objects of his wrath therefore we are no longer on planet earth.

4) Revelation 20:4, This verse doesn't say anything about being in the time of the last half of the tribulation, that is what you're assuming. I believe it's the first half because the mark must still be optional, it's not on all who dwell upon the earth at this stage. Also, it's the testimony of Jesus that's the real problem here, that's what it's saying gets you killed, but in any case this is also those at the marriage supper directly post rapture after the midway point. In Rev 20:4, the context is, born again believers will reign with Christ for a thousand years, it also proves that Christians will see and be around at the time of the Antichrist which you stated wouldn't happen, and is wrong IMO.

5) This is not the judgement seat of Christ for the believers, but a picture of the awful judgement of unregenerate humanity under the curse of the Holy God.
Out of this no ones name is found written in the book of life, this is the judgement of the dead as it says.
Jesus once stated to the Pharisees that God was not the God of the dead but of the living, this portion of revelation has nothing to do with the redeemed and saved, we may be there but we're set apart from them, the focus is on the lost.

The good thing is when I disagree with you we don't mind because we're talking non-essentials, and it's right and commendable to discuss these matters even Christ commended those who examined the prophecies to assert the times of his coming and also the future glories.

Eric E Stahl · Apr 16, 2013

urple; text-decoration:underline; text-underline:single;} span.verse {mso-style-name:verse;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> Rodd,

I have added some explanations. I enjoy talking with you. I know what I am saying is different understanding but I believe it is correct. You judge.

I'll do my best to explain my positions briefly:

1) YES.

2) 2 Thess 2:3-12, The he that is holding him back is God himself the restraint of the Holy Spirit, not the church who is referred to as the bride or she, definately not he. No the holding back is the power of God and his will that all things must happen at his appointment and not any other.

(((7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Since the Holy Spirit will never leave us nor forsake us, when he is taken away so are we.)))

Quite the contrary, the Antichrist makes war against the saints scripture says, meaning we're on earth and he is as well. Remember things will change drastically, scripture says, It will come like a flood, in other words before you have time to think. So no I'm sure his 42mths of freedom to rule will occur in the first half of the 7year tribulation.

(((There will be millions of people saved during the tribulation. It will cost many of them their lives. Those killed in the first half of the tribulation will be resurrected at the middle of the tribulation and be before the throne see Revelation 15:1-5KJV before the last 7 vials are poured out to judge the earth.)))

3) The two witnesses and the 144,000 are in the second half of the tribulation, at the end they join the mulitudes around the throne chapter 7 revelation, these are they who went through the great tribulation. They are elected remnant that are protected through this hellish time on earth. The church has been raptured is at the marriage supper of the lamb.
At that time it's woe to all those that dwell upon the earth apart from this little remnant of Israel, no, we are the beloved of God, we are no longer the objects of his wrath therefore we are no longer on planet earth.

(((Rodd read the scriptures I posted in the king James bible so you can understand. Revelation 14:3 explains that the 144,000 were redeemed and before the throne before the last 7 vials are poured out. And the two witnesses where also caught up to heaven with in the same hour as the end of the 6th trumpet which ends the first half of the tribulation.)))

4) Revelation 20:4, This verse doesn't say anything about being in the time of the last half of the tribulation, that is what you're assuming. I believe it's the first half because the mark must still be optional, it's not on all who dwell upon the earth at

(((Notice that the saints in Revelation 20:4 where killed because they didn’t take the mark of the beast or worship his image. The antichrist doesn’t get control of the earth or have his image set up till the middle of the tribulation. These saints died in the last half of the tribulation and are resurrected at the end of the tribulation.)))

this stage. Also, it's the testimony of Jesus that's the real problem here, that's what it's saying gets you killed, but in any case this is also those at the marriage supper directly post rapture after the midway point. In Rev 20:4, the context is, born again believers will reign with Christ for a thousand years, it also proves that Christians will see and be around at the time of the Antichrist which you stated wouldn't happen, and is wrong IMO.

5) This is not the judgement seat of Christ for the believers, but a picture of the awful judgement of unregenerate humanity under the curse of the Holy God.
Out of this no ones name is found written in the book of life, this is the judgement of the dead as it says.
Jesus once stated to the Pharisees that God was not the God of the dead but of the living, this portion of revelation has nothing to do with the redeemed and saved, we may be there but we're set apart from them, the focus is on the lost.

The good thing is when I disagree with you we don't mind because we're talking non-essentials, and it's right and commendable to discuss these matters even Christ commended those who examined the prophecies to assert the times of his coming and also the future glories.

(((Living saints some of which are Jews, will go into the kingdom alive and have children who are born with a sin nature and need to be saved. People will live long but die during the1000 year kingdom age. At the end of the 1000 years all the dead will be resurrected and judged at the great white throne judgment. Those not written in the book will be cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:15
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life [SUB]e[/SUB] was cast into the lake of fire.)))

rodd · Apr 16, 2013

Eric,
Thanks for the reply, will get back soon, but the trumpet and vial judgements are after the first 42 mths of the trib, this calls for some research.
I suspect for the first 42mths the world will rejoice over the false peace and safety it presumes it has and the temple sacrifices proceed unabated, I don't see any anxiety for the world during the first 42 mths, anyhow just some food for thought!

Eric E Stahl · Apr 16, 2013

rodd said:
Eric,
Thanks for the reply, will get back soon, but the trumpet and vial judgements are after the first 42 mths of the trib, this calls for some research.
I suspect for the first 42mths the world will rejoice over the false peace and safety it presumes it has and the temple sacrifices proceed unabated, I don't see any anxiety for the world during the first 42 mths, anyhow just some food for thought!

rodd · Apr 17, 2013

When the tribulation begins (the 7 yr period) we have Antichrist coming to power, Daniel describes how many nations hand their sovereignty to him and he creates a coalition of nations, from this position he brings about a 7 year peace treaty whereby a compromise is struck between Israel and the Palastinians.
He brings in a universal money system, he tries to change times and dates, I imagine things like Christian days of celebration Christmas and Easter, he popularises himself with the secular world especially among the rich and powerful so the whole world follows him........this takes time....this all goes on in the first 42mths.
Because Antichrist is a man as Jesus was a man, he must be positioning himself for all these things to eventuate, that's why I've come out and stated my thoughts about Nicolas Sarkozy.
He's laid the groundwork and he's coming back
The Mediterranean Union the wars against Egypt, Libya and Syria, his talk of Political return and his media comments re Syria, and he's a Jew,....... ......would need to be to be in contention for false Messiah.

All is well with the religious Jews and their temple worship up to the 42mth,...why?...because nothing has gone wrong up to this point apart from the persecution of Christians by the Antichrist and his political supporters, the unbelieving world has no issues with that because we'll be branded the intolerants and potential terrorists and subversives.
Also, we undermine the attempts toward world peace because we are uncompromising with our doctrine.
Have you ever seen the movie 'The Matrix', we that's the world we live in, what we think we know is nonsense! Democracy the lot!

Eric E Stahl · Apr 19, 2013

rodd said:
When the tribulation begins (the 7 yr period) we have Antichrist coming to power, Daniel describes how many nations hand their sovereignty to him and he creates a coalition of nations, from this position he brings about a 7 year peace treaty whereby a compromise is struck between Israel and the Palastinians.
He brings in a universal money system, he tries to change times and dates, I imagine things like Christian days of celebration Christmas and Easter, he popularises himself with the secular world especially among the rich and powerful so the whole world follows him........this takes time....this all goes on in the first 42mths.
Because Antichrist is a man as Jesus was a man, he must be positioning himself for all these things to eventuate, that's why I've come out and stated my thoughts about Nicolas Sarkozy.
He's laid the groundwork and he's coming back
The Mediterranean Union the wars against Egypt, Libya and Syria, his talk of Political return and his media comments re Syria, and he's a Jew,....... ......would need to be to be in contention for false Messiah.

All is well with the religious Jews and their temple worship up to the 42mth,...why?...because nothing has gone wrong up to this point apart from the persecution of Christians by the Antichrist and his political supporters, the unbelieving world has no issues with that because we'll be branded the intolerants and potential terrorists and subversives.
Also, we undermine the attempts toward world peace because we are uncompromising with our doctrine.
Have you ever seen the movie 'The Matrix', we that's the world we live in, what we think we know is nonsense! Democracy the lot!

Rodd,

Do you understand post #35?

If you don't you will have a hard time understanding Revelation.

rodd · Apr 19, 2013

The devil has always been on the earth, (god of this world, remember) the devil coming down means,...torrid times ahead..... the Antichrist is the instigator of the persecution of the Christian Church who are" Israel," do you understand that, that the "true Israel" are the supernaturally born, not the natural carnal people that are ethnic Jews.
That's why Antichrist is after us....in his first 42mth reign,....because we are the chosen that belong to God. That's why persecution of the Saints.

When Antichrist puts an end to the sacrificial worship of the Jews at the 3.5yrs point and sets up the satanic image, then the two witnesses will appear to frustrate the Antichrist and False prophet, that's why just before the end they're called up to heaven in the sight of their enemies.
Understand that revelation is not in Chronological order, some chapters backtrack.

Eric E Stahl · Apr 19, 2013

rodd said:
The devil has always been on the earth, (god of this world, remember) the devil coming down means,...torrid times ahead..... the Antichrist is the instigator of the persecution of the Christian Church who are" Israel," do you understand that, that the "true Israel" are the supernaturally born, not the natural carnal people that are ethnic Jews.
That's why Antichrist is after us....in his first 42mth reign,....because we are the chosen that belong to God. That's why persecution of the Saints.

When Antichrist puts an end to the sacrificial worship of the Jews at the 3.5yrs point and sets up the satanic image, then the two witnesses will appear to frustrate the Antichrist and False prophet, that's why just before the end they're called up to heaven in the sight of their enemies.
Understand that revelation is not in Chronological order, some chapters backtrack.

rodd · Apr 21, 2013

That 1/3 spoken of in Zechariah is a little hard to marry with the 144,000 Jews saved in the time of Jacobs Trouble, out of the tribes of Israel, does 1/3 mean there's only 432,000 legitimate Jews at that time, in other words now time???
Possibly so, because there is a theory that not all Israel are Israel in the flesh as well as the spirit. In other words impostor Jews that are not truly Israelites at all???
I think there's some credibility in this theory because certain verses of scripture seem to point to this scenario.

Welcome!

Signs before Jesus comes

Member

Member

Member

Loyal

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Member

Members Online

Trending content

Newest members

Stay Connected