Sinless Perfection?

[Curtis]

Thank God for supplying the way to kill that "carnal mind". (Rom 6:3-7)

We do NOT kill the carnal mind it must be "renewed".

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

The mind of Christ that does NOT dwell in man,s carnal mind, but in the renewed human spirit never needs to be renewed!!!

 

[At Peace]

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

"And such WERE some of you..."
I hate remembering what I used to be.
But I rejoice in the name of Jesus Christ for what He has made me to be.

 

[At Peace]

Again, if we are not subject to carnal temptations and do not sin anymore as the scripture says, then how can a Christian loose their salvation,

By forsaking God and returning to the ways of darkness.

and if that is true, then what is there to "overcome"?

Overcome the memories of the "good" feelings you had while you partied with the unbeliever.
Overcome the folks who once were your friends but want you to join them in their debauchery.
Overcome the allure to go to the beach to watch girls.
Overcome the false hope of false religions.
Overcome the self absorption that caused you to refuse to give some money to the pan-handler.
Overcome the fatigue that prohibits you from answering the phone.
And a hundred other things.

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I sure am glad God protects me from any temptation I can't handle. (1 Cor 10:13)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you think those reborn of God' seed Christians don't have any duties to perform to ensure their redemption.
That we can just sit around watching TV until the return of Christ...or something.
Not hardly.
As much as the devil works on the unbelievers and the wicked, he works twice as hard on the folks who have subjected themselves to God.
We are in a war: and that war will not end till Jesus returns.
We can either fight back or surrender to the devil.
It is written..."Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)
These words are true.

 

[At Peace]

We do NOT kill the carnal mind it must be "renewed".
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

"Renewed" and "born again" are synonymous.

The mind of Christ that does NOT dwell in man,s carnal mind, but in the renewed human spirit never needs to be renewed!!!

I think that is the proof of the renewal, isn't it?

 

[Curtis]

"Renewed" and "born again" are synonymous.

Are you for real? God alone gives the new birth, but man is responsible for renewing his own mind!!!

 

[Curtis]

By forsaking God and returning to the ways of darkness.

Once again..... Turning from God would be a sin, but scripture says a born again child can not sin

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[Curtis]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you think those reborn of God' seed Christians don't have any duties to perform to ensure their redemption.

Yep, salvation is God's work, not man's. If it was man's work then we would earn it.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Curtis]

Overcome the memories of the "good" feelings you had while you partied with the unbeliever.
Overcome the folks who once were your friends but want you to join them in their debauchery.
Overcome the allure to go to the beach to watch girls.
Overcome the false hope of false religions.
Overcome the self absorption that caused you to refuse to give some money to the pan-handler.
Overcome the fatigue that prohibits you from answering the phone.

These are all called "the lusts of the flesh" Why would you need to overcome these things if, "those who are Christs have already crucified the flesh with all its deeds"? (Gal 5:24) If you are overcoming these things then your flesh is not dead, and you have sin in your body that needs overcoming!

How can a Christian do these things (which would be called sins) if all who have been born of God can not sin ? (1 John 3:9)

 

[At Peace]

Are you for real? God alone gives the new birth, but man is responsible for renewing his own mind!!!

Then I guess you are out in the cold...so to speak.
How is that working out for you so far?

 

[Curtis]

Then I guess you are out in the cold...so to speak.
How is that working out for you so far?

No, I am in the kingdom of God that God has translated me into a long time ago.

 

[At Peace]

Once again..... Turning from God would be a sin, but scripture says a born again child can not sin

You are again correct.
Those who leave show that they were not reborn of God's seed after all.
Had they stayed, and endured till the end, they would have manifested from whom they were reborn.

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

There are a lot of folks "posing" as Christians, but they are not at all Christian.
There are some who break their repentance from sin, showing they are not born again from God's seed..
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[At Peace]

Yep, salvation is God's work, not man's. If it was man's work then we would earn it.

Even a birthday gift must be opened.
What you determined is "earning" I define as "faithfulness".

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Thanks be to God for freeing us from the "works" of the Mosaic Law.

Please remember..."grace reigns through righteousness". (Rom 5:21)
No righteousness--no grace.

 

[Curtis]

Had they stayed, and endured till the end, they would have manifested from whom they were reborn.

What is there to overcome if a born again child has all their sins washed away, and can not sin?

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[At Peace]

These are all called "the lusts of the flesh" Why would you need to overcome these things if, "those who are Christs have already crucified the flesh with all its deeds"? (Gal 5:24) If you are overcoming these things then your flesh is not dead, and you have sin in your body that needs overcoming!

There is no "overcomING".
It was done at the very first.
It is now a life of "Keep these things overcome".

How can a Christian do these things (which would be called sins) if all who have been born of God can not sin ? (1 John 3:9)

Christians DON'T do these things to prove to folks still walking in the flesh that righteousness CAN be done.
Loving reminders, exhortations, are not accusations, just reminders.

The condemnation you toss about is landing squarely at your own feet.

 

[At Peace]

No, I am in the kingdom of God that God has translated me into a long time ago.

A long time ago...Praise and glory to God above!!
How long have you been an ex-sinner?
I know there is no sin in His kingdom, so you must be sin free too.

 

[Curtis]

Please remember..."grace reigns through righteousness". (Rom 5:21)
No righteousness--no grace.

Whose "righteousness" are you referring to? Yours? Are you doing something of the flesh to earn this righteousness?

Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

 

[At Peace]

What is there to overcome if a born again child has all their sins washed away, and can not sin?

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We "overcome" all temptation.
To the glory of God and the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[At Peace]

Whose "righteousness" are you referring to? Yours? Are you doing something of the flesh to earn this righteousness?

Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

It's His righteousness.
Got faith?

 

[Curtis]

How long have you been an ex-sinner?

My rebirthed spirit, which is Christ (God) in me can not sin, but my fleshly body that is "corrupt" can. So does yours no matter what you say!!!

1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

This is what separates you from every one else on this forum. If you had truth in you, you would know you have sin in the flesh, but you don think you have sin, therefore no truth is in you!!
Everything you believe is based on what you do through the flesh. It is only because of what you did that you say you are saved. Cursed is the man who puts his trust in the arm of the flesh!!! (Jer 17:5)

 

[Joefizz]

By forsaking God and returning to the ways of darkness.


Overcome the memories of the "good" feelings you had while you partied with the unbeliever.
Overcome the folks who once were your friends but want you to join them in their debauchery.
Overcome the allure to go to the beach to watch girls.
Overcome the false hope of false religions.
Overcome the self absorption that caused you to refuse to give some money to the pan-handler.
Overcome the fatigue that prohibits you from answering the phone.
And a hundred other things.


I sure am glad God protects me from any temptation I can't handle. (1 Cor 10:13)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems you think those reborn of God' seed Christians don't have any duties to perform to ensure their redemption.
That we can just sit around watching TV until the return of Christ...or something.
Not hardly.
As much as the devil works on the unbelievers and the wicked, he works twice as hard on the folks who have subjected themselves to God.
We are in a war: and that war will not end till Jesus returns.
We can either fight back or surrender to the devil.
It is written..."Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)
These words are true.

Preposterous,"return to darkness"?
It's either or,there is either light or darkness there is no fence jumping back and forth,eventually one must choose a master,God/Jesus or satan,those are the "only choices".