It sorrows me to see that you can't connect "heart" with "mind".
Sinless Perfection?
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I first heard this message in 1977.
I turned from sin in December of 2003.
I received the gift of the Holy Spirit on April 9, 2004.
Yikes!
That is a kinda open question, isn't it?
Without a lot of details, I would say...I believe God and act accordingly.
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Yes it very well may be too of a open of a question, I apologize. Of course you know there is a current thread on Grace out there and the responses vary. What I was looking for is more what you would appreciate and that is what the Bible has to say about it.
- Grace, used in its biblical sense, means the favor and goodness that God shows to mankind. The word can be used generally to describe everything that God does, or to refer to specific acts of God. When the Bible talks about a good, kind or merciful act of God, it is talking about God's grace is what I see.
- Here are may verses on faith:
- 2 Corinthians 12:9 - And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (Read More...)
Romans 6:14 - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 11:6 - And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
1 Corinthians 15:10 - But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which [was bestowed] upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
Romans 5:8 - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Hebrews 4:16 - Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
John 1:16 - And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Romans 3:20-24 - Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. (Read More...)
Titus 2:11-14 - For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, (Read More...)
Romans 3:24 - Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
2 Timothy 2:1 - Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
Isaiah 40:31 - But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew [their] strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; [and] they shall walk, and not faint.
2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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Man's mind, and man's heart are two separate things
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
There is no hidden man in man's mind (brain). Man's heart is his re birthed human spirit!
1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
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That's right, we are waiting to know the redemption (set free from sin) of our bodies which is still corrupt in this life.
- James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
- I loved all the verses you supplied on grace, but I will deal only with this one now.
- Do you feel that those who commit sin have "humbled" themselves before God?
- I don't.
- That disqualifies them from "grace", doesn't it?
- However, if they turn from sin, permanently, they will have all the power of God's love and grace to cope with every temptation.
- It worked for me...thanks be to God.
So which part of you is "running the show"?
Are you alleging that your "re-birthed human spirit" allows you to continue committing sin?
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All you basically said was with out faith, you would not be perfect...I think you struggle with this because you "being perfect", you have no use for God's unmerited favor!
I guess you allow your body to override your mind.
It doesn't have to be that way.
We can be reborn of incorruptible seed by the word of God now, in the NT.
But the old man, with the affections and lusts, must be killed first.
BTW, if you are converted, "your" body is Christ's vessel: and it is not "your" own. (1 Cor 6:19)
That is correct.
I don't "struggle with this" at all.
God's unmerited favor blesses me every day.
Besides the room and board He supplies, He also has given me of His Spirit so I can keep showing that grace to, for instance, you and the rest of this site.
Let me ask you this...Whose grace is being manifested when a man lies or steels or kills?
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Not God's if they're committed on purpose!...He knows, and he knows when you sin not on purpose or when you don't even see it!
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Also, if you are perfect all the time with no sin, then there is no need for God's unmerited favor is there?
All sin is done on purpose.
James writes..."But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin:: (James 1:14-15)
There was no mention of accidental sin there, was there?
Between the temptation, lust, enticement, and conception, we have plenty of time to say..NO!
James also writes..."Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)
I fact, Paul writes..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
With our past lusts killed, a major portion of the "it is sin" formula is missing entirely!
How come some claim to have all this "unmerited favor" but still cannot "cease from sin" ? (1 Peter 4:1)
God's grace doesn't stop at conversion like a subscription ran out.
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Ok, ok...I finally get it...you are perfect and the rest of us, lie,steel and kill...ok you win.... you're the only one that has Gods unmerited favor and the only one going to Heaven..... sure going to be a lonely place...just you and God!
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Good morning @At Peace
I dont think this is true all the time
I said something at work that was far from wholesome and somewhat crude a week or two ago.
I didnt plan to, it just slipped out .....It was not on purpose
I was sorry, repentant and convicted of my wrong doing.
The flesh wars against the Spirit.
It is by grace and not works we are saved.....praise the Lord.
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Rom 7:16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.
Rom 7:17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
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I had thought for a while this was was what At Peace was saying, however, in a different thread he says
My salvation isn't assured.
I must "maintain till the end", as Jesus said in Matt.24:13.
I am in a war against "wickedness in high places", and joy will have to wait till I hear "Well done...".
Where there any others here who professed total obedience to God, my mood might be a bit lighter.
But none do.
Folks say they are saved already, when our redemption is still in the future.
Works not grace ?
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My physical mind has all my five physical senses connected to it so I can operate in the physical wold.
The mind of Christ, that does NOT dwell in my head, has the same senses but spiritual in nature, that they allow me to operate in the spiritual realm.
The physical mind is useless when it comes to spiritual things.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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