Sinless Perfection?

[Curtis]

M

I guess you allow your body to override your mind.

My physical mind is a part of my physical body. It is all apart of the "natural man" that can not understand anything that comes from the Spirit of God. (1 Cor 2:14)

 

[Curtis]

Not submitted FROM something.
Submitted TO God.


Quite right.
That happens when we are washed by the blood of Christ...at our baptism into Christ and into His death. (Rom 6:3-6)

That's, funny, if Jesus washed away all my sins, and he did, then why is Paul telling us to "not let sin reign in your mortal body"? Why do something that is already done?

 

[Curtis]

Are you alleging that your "re-birthed human spirit" allows you to continue committing sin?

Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.(Gal 5:16) Wait a minute how can that be if my flesh is dead. Why walk in the Spirit if my flesh is already dead? If I walk in the Spirit then my flesh, that has sin in it, will not over rule my spirit!!

 

[Curtis]

[QUOTE="At Peace, post: 307271, member: 33069"]That disqualifies them from "grace", doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

 

[At Peace]

Ok, ok...I finally get it...you are perfect and the rest of us, lie,steel and kill...ok you win.... you're the only one that has Gods unmerited favor and the only one going to Heaven..... sure going to be a lonely place...just you and God!

I don't know about anyone else.
Those here that fight against obedience to God may be angels working to bring one soul to repentance.
And heaven will not be lonely at all.
You should consider seeing it someday instead of giving up the fight for righteousness.

 

[At Peace]

Good morning @At Peace

I dont think this is true all the time
I said something at work that was far from wholesome and somewhat crude a week or two ago.
I didnt plan to, it just slipped out .....It was not on purpose
I was sorry, repentant and convicted of my wrong doing.

The flesh wars against the Spirit.
It is by grace and not works we are saved.....praise the Lord.

Are you still under the law, that you consider something as sin even without a temptation, enticement or lust? (James 1:14-15)

If your job causes you to swear, it is time to quit that job.
Do it for the glory of God and watch what happens!

 

[At Peace]

Rom 7:16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.
Rom 7:17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

The first few verses of Ro 7 clearly show that it is speaking of a former time. Verse 5..."For when we WERE in the flesh..."
The entire middle of Ro 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; "that is, in my flesh".
And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because....
we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Ro 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, you would see that Paul is making the past-present transition, and Ro 8 continues on into the life walked in the Spirit.

 

[At Peace]

I had thought for a while this was was what At Peace was saying, however, in a different thread he says

My salvation isn't assured.
I must "maintain till the end", as Jesus said in Matt.24:13.
I am in a war against "wickedness in high places", and joy will have to wait till I hear "Well done...".
Where there any others here who professed total obedience to God, my mood might be a bit lighter.
But none do.

Folks say they are saved already, when our redemption is still in the future.

Works not grace ?

Paul's references to "works" were almost entirely aimed at the Judaizers who wanted circumcision and dietary laws instated in the new church.
To insinuate that obedience to God is a "works" to be avoided shows...

 

[At Peace]

My physical mind has all my five physical senses connected to it so I can operate in the physical wold.
The mind of Christ, that does NOT dwell in my head, has the same senses but spiritual in nature, that they allow me to operate in the spiritual realm.

Where DOES the mind of Christ dwell?
Are you a non-Christian?

The physical mind is useless when it comes to spiritual things.

I'ld like to see you kneel without it.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Non-Christians are not "spiritually" minded.

 

[At Peace]

Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.(Gal 5:16)
Wait a minute how can that be if my flesh is dead.[/QUOTE
If the flesh is dead you are walking in the Spirit
It is written..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.' (Gal 5:24-25)

Why walk in the Spirit if my flesh is already dead?

There is no other way to walk.
Because the flesh was killed on the cross with Christ...if you were baptized into Christ's death.

If I walk in the Spirit then my flesh, that has sin in it, will not over rule my spirit!!

If you are walking in the Spirit, you have no "body of sin" anymore.
It was killed and buried, then raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-6)...if you were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your past sins. (Acts 2:38)

 

[At Peace]

[QUOTE="At Peace, post: 307271, member: 33069"]That disqualifies them from "grace", doesn't it?

I don't know what you are referring to.

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

I'll post the next three verses ...
"That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?"

Thanks be to God for allowing us to be "dead unto sin".
"For he that is dead is freed from sin." (Rom 6:7)
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:22)

 

[Curtis]

Where DOES the mind of Christ dwell?
Are you a non-Christian?

The "carnal" (fleshly) mind is the enemy of God!!!

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

 

[Curtis]

If you are walking in the Spirit, you have no "body of sin" anymore.

If I have no body of sin then my physical body is in the grave!!!
Why would I need to walk in the Spirit if my body is dead? The only reason to walk in the Spirit is so my flesh does NOT rule me!

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

 

[Curtis]

Thanks be to God for allowing us to be "dead unto sin".
"For he that is dead is freed from sin." (Rom 6:7)
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:22)

This is a perfect example as whoever is born of God can not sin. If you can not sin then how can a Christian loose their salvation if all our sins are washed away, and can not sin?

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[Dave M]

This is a perfect example as whoever is born of God can not sin. If you can not sin then how can a Christian loose their salvation if all our sins are washed away, and can not sin?

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

that simply is brilliant my brother

 

[At Peace]

The "carnal" (fleshly) mind is the enemy of God!!!

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Thank God for supplying the way to kill that "carnal mind". (Rom 6:3-7)

 

[At Peace]

If I have no body of sin then my physical body is in the grave!!!

You are right...but when we are crucified and buried with Christ, we are also raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
Reborn of Godly seed, and not subject to carnal temptations anymore.

Why would I need to walk in the Spirit if my body is dead? The only reason to walk in the Spirit is so my flesh does NOT rule me!

Because it isn't YOUR body anymore.
It is the temple of the Holy Ghost.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Amen, and thanks be to God.
I'll include more Galatians verses..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." (Gal 5:24-25)

 

[At Peace]

This is a perfect example as whoever is born of God can not sin. If you can not sin then how can a Christian loose their salvation if all our sins are washed away, and can not sin?

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Sinners are not born of God.
There are plenty of posers out there who can walk without sin...for a while...of their own free will.
But they eventually succumb to their real nature.
If at the start of their walk they acted as true Christians, they spoiled it by returning to darkness.

 

[Curtis]

Sinners are not born of God.

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[Curtis]

You are right...but when we are crucified and buried with Christ, we are also raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
Reborn of Godly seed, and not subject to carnal temptations anymore.

Again, if we are not subject to carnal temptations and do not sin anymore as the scripture says, then how can a Christian loose their salvation, and if that is true, then what is there to "overcome"?

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.