So tired of Christians not knowing what a Christian is!

[KingJ]

"There is absolutely NO such thing as an atheist who was once a true Christian."

This is what i based my statement on. "Your hypothesis is based on there is no free will."

Humans have free will to choose Jesus or not. Repent of their sins or not.

When they do this, God vets them and grafts them in if they pass. When someone is grafted in they are given a very real revelation of Jesus 1 Cor 12:3, Matt 16:16-17, such that denying His existence is on par with denying gravity. IE, No true atheist can have been a true Christian.

We have free will before we choose Jesus and we have free will in heaven and hell. We know this because there are levels of servitude and disobedience to God.

Now, please, show me where my argument does not support ''free will''.

 

[Bill]

Why I don't claim the title of Christian... I see most Christians produce worldly fruits also many like to argue bicker debate and demean others who don't see as they do..
The Lord said follow me n no matter how many times I've looked and seeked for a title He claimed I find not one time He claimed Himself as a Christian not speak the word Christian it was man that started that as far as I can come to understand I know the Lord said Mine is a nation of priest I know He said Ye are my witnesses I know He said to be followers of Him I know He tells His children to separate and to turn from evil n there's no except in His sentence..

Idk I just don't get why many are so much more proud of the name Christian instead of just following the ways of the Lord and learning to do good like He tells His children to do

One can not claim to them learning to do good while arguing demeaning bickering n what ever else that comes along with the Christian church being in Total separation and division for the Lord has told us a house divided will fall n to think His word will not be fulfilled ya r just fooling yourself n ya r full of pride or ya don't believe the Word

Better is a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, than an house full of sacrifices with strife.

In heaven , no one calls themselves Baptists, no one calls themselves Catholic, Methodists, or anything else.

They all call eachother " the children of God ".

 

[Bill]

Humans have free will to choose Jesus or not. Repent of their sins or not.

When they do this, God vets them and grafts them in if they pass. When someone is grafted in they are given a very real revelation of Jesus 1 Cor 12:3, Matt 16:16-17, such that denying His existence is on par with denying gravity. IE, No true atheist can have been a true Christian.

We have free will before we choose Jesus and we have free will in heaven and hell. We know this because there are levels of servitude and disobedience to God.

Now, please, show me where my argument does not support ''free will''.

If you have the free will to recieve Jesus , you also have the free will to reject Jesus after wards as well.

I have met a few "old Christians" who after years of being Christians with deep faith, have lost the faith though events and trials in thier lives.

I pray for them in thier bitterness

 

[Dave M]

In my opinion, yes. He wasn't guilty until he actually committed the sin, not before.

to me this is very interesting, I am not 100% sure I agree, maybe it depends???

for example, Jesus tells us just looking at a women in a lustful way is sin, that we don't have to actually do anything, just thinking about it is wrong!

Jesus also tells us hating our brother is just like murder, again this is just thinking about it, not doing it, it is wrong.

On the either hand we know being tempted and not following through is not sin, for it says Jesus was tempted in the desert and fought off the temptation with the word of God.

So maybe it depends on the type of sin and how much we actually think on it, and let its dwell in our thoughts. IF we get a wrong thought and run to Jesus maybe the thought is not ours, but if we get a wrong thought and dwell on it, and let take hold of us then that thought of sin becomes sin.

I do not really know for sure, but I know I fear sin and sin scares me because I know how easy it is to become hardened and blind to sin, so what happens in our minds when sinful thoughts occur really is the difference between if we sin or do not is probably what I lean towards on this subject.

 

[Dave M]

The fact is that you believe God cannot vet a persons heart! You believe God is a fool that would allow a person with a rotten heart into heaven. Judas had a very rotten heart. He was a mortal sinner. He would have pulled a Lucifer type stunt in heaven if he was ever placed there.

You better stop with this accusation type of language, Ray loves God and does not think God is a fool, why would you write such a hateful foolish thing to someone who loves God,, your pride is why, anyone who disagrees with you you do this type of thing, I am warning you it is a foolish thing.... I am probably guilty of it as well, but the way we treat others matters and this is not way to treat someone

 

[Bill]

to me this is very interesting, I am not 100% sure I agree, maybe it depends???

for example, Jesus tells us just looking at a women in a lustful way is sin, that we don't have to actually do anything, just thinking about it is wrong!

Jesus also tells us hating our brother is just like murder, again this is just thinking about it, not doing it, it is wrong.

On the either hand we know being tempted and not following through is not sin, for it says Jesus was tempted in the desert and fought off the temptation with the word of God.

So maybe it depends on the type of sin and how much we actually think on it, and let its dwell in our thoughts. IF we get a wrong thought and run to Jesus maybe the thought is not ours, but if we get a wrong thought and dwell on it, and let take hold of us then that thought of sin becomes sin.

I do not really know for sure, but I know I fear sin and sin scares me because I know how easy it is to become hardened and blind to sin, so what happens in our minds when sinful thoughts occur really is the difference between if we sin or do not is probably what I lean towards on this subject.

"IF we get a wrong thought and run to Jesus maybe the thought is not ours, but if we get a wrong thought and dwell on it, and let take hold of us then that thought of sin becomes sin."

Exactly!

Love you brother