So tired of Christians not knowing what a Christian is!

[Twistie]

And that fact should tell us that God would then properly vet people before grafting them into heaven.

Everything is written.. Most just wanna cherry pick..His children are taught by Him alone like He said it is finish..no one is above another He showed we r connected by the Spirit When He said today woman this is your son n today John this is your mother Mary had blood children she could of been told to go with but she wasn't.. We r told to fast onto Him n Him alone.. man wants to complicate the Word but He is so simple a child can understand Him..

 

[Bill]

And that fact should tell us that God would then properly vet people before grafting them into heaven.

There are many Protestant preachers, when arriving in Purgatory exclaim, " thank God it exists".

 

[Bill]

That almost sounds like Universalism. Does salvation follow the paths of rain and the hurricane?

(Not that I think you to be a Universalist.)

Rhema

You do not know Universalum.

God's benifits are not limited to only the Good.

 

[Bill]

I think maybe you are mixing up faith and denomination, in heaven we will not need faith. Faith the believing in the unseen.

​

Hebrews 11:1​

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

I am not confused.

Never have i heard Anyone claim to be anything in heaven. But on earth, many squabble and complain that one knows better than the next, without KNOWING. My ONLY true complaint, even here, is that those who DO KNOW, say nothing. Not even to defend the truth.

I do admit, i Am more outspoken than many you will meet. God's Fire Burns within me.

 

[Twistie]

You do not know Universalum.

God's benifits are not limited to only the Good.

There's only one good to he most man can achieve is to be righteous

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

He that followeth after righteousness and mercy findeth life, righteousness, and honour

Surely he shall not be moved for ever: the righteous shall be in everlasting remembrance.

The eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.


Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Hope all's well my friend... In actuality tho I get more of an older brother vibe from ya lol¯⁠\⁠_⁠ʘ⁠‿⁠ʘ⁠_⁠/⁠¯

←⁠(⁠*⁠꒪⁠ヮ⁠꒪⁠*⁠)

 

[KingJ]

what is evil please tell us your definition

Hi Dave, please see here for an explanation What is evil? Can God be guilty of it?.

 

[Dave M]

I am not confused.

so your faith is in your denomination? just trying to be clear, not understanding what your saying

 

[Christ4Ever]

I am not speculating about the impossible. Please see post # 48.

Dear KingJ
Do you really want me to go through all of what you've posted again to show you the "what if" scenarios you posed to others in the form of a question?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

 

[KingJ]

Dear KingJ
Do you really want me to go through all of what you've posted again to show you the "what if" scenarios you posed to others in the form of a question?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

Well every 'what if' scenario has context and validity to it. I would appreciate a quote of something I typed as opposed to an implied ''all you type is wrong as too many what ifs'.

 

[Rhema]

We live in a space where everything is created by God. I can do you one better than 'create', God placed the devil with Adam and Eve.

It is very important to grasp the fact that in 'God the creator's space', creating evil is not the same as committing evil.

Allowing it to take place is the same as doing it!!!

You might want to clear up your thinking here.

Rhema

(Although I'm pretty sure you can't see your own contradiction.)

 

[Rhema]

You do not know Universalum.

Yep. Never heard of Universalum.

But I note that you never addressed the question, so that's a big tell.

OH MY GRAPHE !!! (There's something I don't know.)
Well then, why don't you be a dear and tell me.

Rhema

 

[KingJ]

You might want to clear up your thinking here.

Rhema

(Although I'm pretty sure you can't see your own contradiction.)

'''We live in a space where everything is created by God. I can do you one better than 'create', God placed the devil with Adam and Eve.

It is very important to grasp the fact that in 'God the creator's space', creating evil is not the same as committing evil.

Allowing it to take place is the same as doing it!!!'''

Please learn to read posts. You nitpick like you just joined this discussion.

BAC responded to my thread here Discussion on Torture in his post # 59. The context of that thread is torture in hell. IE I gave the example of a prison warden. If he allows the prisoners to torture others, he is guilty of the crime.

Free will on earth where good and evil clearly exist is a difficult topic to discuss. @B-A-C 's comment was on that. He said ''But He allows people to be tortured''. That is true for earth where God is currently not a warden. (You would have also grasped this if you read any of my posts here talking about free will).

Now, you have posted a verse that says God created evil and yet give no explanation or defense of God!

I have little respect or faith in the Christianity of any who post contentious scriptures without giving context and defending God! As I try remind BAC on all the time. We are His ambassadors 2 Cor 5:20!

 

[Rhema]

We are His ambassadors 2 Cor 5:20!

Why should I be an ambassador of God to you? Don't you claim that you're the ambassador to us?

I have little respect or faith in the Christianity of any who post contentious scriptures without giving context and defending God!

God needs me to defend Him? (I trow not.)

Wasn't the scripture verse I posted enough to give you pause? (Of course not, though it should have been.)

You nitpick like you just joined this discussion.

I've been reading the thread. There was just no reason to reply until you contradicted yourself. I'm not driven to splat unfounded personal opinions all over the place.

That is true for earth where God is currently not a warden.

More twisted "what if" scenarios. But why do you add in words like "warden"? Where is that ever found in scripture? (It is not.)

But what is true for Earth?

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

(Matthew 28:18 KJV)

Now do I need to explain this to you?

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[KingJ]

Why should I be an ambassador of God to you? Don't you claim that you're the ambassador to us?

Rhema, seriously?

God needs me to defend Him? (I trow not.)

What part of 2 Cor 5:20 is confusing?

Wasn't the scripture verse I posted enough to give you pause? (Of course not, though it should have been.)

Rhema, seriously?

I've been reading the thread. There was just no reason to reply until you contradicted yourself. I'm not driven to splat unfounded personal opinions all over the place

I literally just gave you a post proving there was no contradiction.

More twisted "what if" scenarios. But why do you add in words like "warden"? Where is that ever found in scripture? (It is not.)

It was the example given, necessary for context.

But what is true for Earth?

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

(Matthew 28:18 KJV)

Now do I need to explain this to you?

If you think that is related, your mind is not on the topic.

----------------------------

I asked you to defend God when you cherry pick scripture that can incriminate Him! Please do so and restore my faith in @Rhema!

 

[Rhema]

Rhema, seriously?

Seriously.

What part of 2 Cor 5:20 is confusing?

You do know that Paul was talking about himself, Paul and Timothy?

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:​

(2 Corinthians 1:1 KJV)

Pick a translation... (let me know). But why would Paul ever need to give an IMPERATIVE command to "ambassadors" that they be reconciled to God ?

So we (Paul and Timothy) are ambassadors for Christ, since God is making his appeal through us (Paul and Timothy); we (Paul and Timothy) entreat you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.​

(2 Corinthians 5:20 NRSV)

It ain't about you. Sorry. You're the "you" in that verse, not the "we."

All these Christians running around claiming to be ambassadors... it's sad. They ain't no Paul, and they ain't no Timothy.

Rhema, seriously?

Seriously. It ought to have given you pause to think. But you never really do that. Just like you'll immediately reject what I just pointed out above.

I literally just gave you a post proving there was no contradiction.

No, you just threw out another "what if" scenario, with caveats here and there, slicing and dicing to create small little this and that equivocations.

It was the example given, necessary for context.

No, you created another one of your own little scenarios... "God is the warden." Context would use scripture, not your own fictional stories.

If you think that is related, your mind is not on the topic.

How is that not related? You talked about God Not being a warden on earth. That's ridiculous. Jesus is King on Earth. NOW. (Did you forget your own name?)

I asked you to defend God when you cherry pick scripture that can incriminate Him! Please do so and restore my faith in @Rhema!

Don't take this the wrong way, but I couldn't care less about your faith in me. But here's the "incriminating" post if there is one:

Allowing it to take place is the same as doing it!!!

You have a good day,
Rhema

 

[KingJ]

Seriously.

You do know that Paul was talking about himself, Paul and Timothy?

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:​

(2 Corinthians 1:1 KJV)

Pick a translation... (let me know). But why would Paul ever need to give an IMPERATIVE command to "ambassadors" that they be reconciled to God ?

So we (Paul and Timothy) are ambassadors for Christ, since God is making his appeal through us (Paul and Timothy); we (Paul and Timothy) entreat you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.​

(2 Corinthians 5:20 NRSV)

It ain't about you. Sorry. You're the "you" in that verse, not the "we."

All these Christians running around claiming to be ambassadors... it's sad. They ain't no Paul, and they ain't no Timothy.


Seriously. It ought to have given you pause to think. But you never really do that. Just like you'll immediately reject what I just pointed out above.


No, you just threw out another "what if" scenario, with caveats here and there, slicing and dicing to create small little this and that equivocations.


No, you created another one of your own little scenarios... "God is the warden." Context would use scripture, not your own fictional stories.


How is that not related? You talked about God Not being a warden on earth. That's ridiculous. Jesus is King on Earth. NOW. (Did you forget your own name?)


Don't take this the wrong way, but I couldn't care less about your faith in me. But here's the "incriminating" post if there is one:


You have a good day,
Rhema

Every line from you is just so silly. Unless you meet me in a formal debate, I am not going to waste my time with you.

 

[Bill]

Why should I be an ambassador of God to you? Don't you claim that you're the ambassador to us?


God needs me to defend Him? (I trow not.)

Wasn't the scripture verse I posted enough to give you pause? (Of course not, though it should have been.)


I've been reading the thread. There was just no reason to reply until you contradicted yourself. I'm not driven to splat unfounded personal opinions all over the place.


More twisted "what if" scenarios. But why do you add in words like "warden"? Where is that ever found in scripture? (It is not.)

But what is true for Earth?

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

(Matthew 28:18 KJV)

Now do I need to explain this to you?

Kindly,
Rhema

"Why should I be an ambassador of God to you? Don't you claim that you're the ambassador to us?"

We are our brothers keepers.

Love God with all your heart.

Love your neighbor as yourself

 

[th1bill]

This string has gone awry. There are two major types of Christian, Say-So and Spirit-Filled! Living these past 35 years as a Holy Spirit-filled, Spirit-led member of Yeshuah's Family has taught me a good deal and many in Church Membership are not members of Yeshuah's family although they proclaim it because they are not indwelt by Ruah.

 

[Rhema]

"Why should I be an ambassador of God to you? Don't you claim that you're the ambassador to us?"

We are our brothers keepers.

Love God with all your heart.

Love your neighbor as yourself

Bill, thank you kindly for completely missing the point.

Still love ya.

 

[Rhema]

This string has gone awry. There are two major types of Christian, Say-So and Spirit-Filled! Living these past 35 years as a Holy Spirit-filled, Spirit-led member of Yeshuah's Family has taught me a good deal and many in Church Membership are not members of Yeshuah's family although they proclaim it because they are not indwelt by Ruah.

th1B, why do you always come off as sounding as if you're the ONLY ONE indwelt by "Ruah"?