So tired of Christians not knowing what a Christian is!

[Bill]

Bill, thank you kindly for completely missing the point.

 

[Bill]

so your faith is in your denomination? just trying to be clear, not understanding what your saying

Well my friend, the prophecy is in motion. I told you 5-6 yrs ago, President Trump would win re-election. And he will be assassinated in office during his second term.

After not winning against Biden, you reminded me of what I had said. My reply was, "Not Yet" . And never spoke to me again for quite a while.

What will you say when he is assassinated in the Oval Office. It will happen in the springtime, of which year i do not know.

The servant of the most High God was sent to President Trump during his first year in office with this message, "Would you be willing to give your life to your country?". His response was yes!

 

[Dave M]

Well my friend, the prophecy is in motion. I told you 5-6 yrs ago, President Trump would win re-election. And he will be assassinated in office during his second term.

After not winning against Biden, you reminded me of what I had said. My reply was, "Not Yet" . And never spoke to me again for quite a while.

What will you say when he is assassinated in the Oval Office. It will happen in the springtime, of which year i do not know.

The servant of the most High God was sent to President Trump during his first year in office with this message, "Would you be willing to give your life to your country?". His response was yes!

you ignored my question, we were talking about your faith,

 

[Bill]

you ignored my question, we were talking about your faith,

What question do you wish to ask I'll answer as I can

 

[Rhema]

The servant of the most High God was sent to President Trump during his first year in office with this message, "Would you be willing to give your life to your country?". His response was yes!

And this was you?

 

[Rhema]

Every line from you is just so silly. Unless you meet me in a formal debate, I am not going to waste my time with you.

Sorry, I am not going to feed into your pride and ego.
Paul was talking about himself and Timothy when he wrote "we."
He wasn't talking about you, or them.
It's simple grammar.

Rhema

 

[Bill]

And this was you?

Yes

 

[th1bill]

th1B, why do you always come off as sounding as if you're the ONLY ONE indwelt by "Ruah"?

Why you ask that question and why you are rubbed raw by the importance I place on the scriptural truth of the indweling in the followers of Yashuah.

 

[Rhema]

Why you ask that question and why you are rubbed raw by the importance I place on the scriptural truth of the indweling in the followers of Yashuah.

I'm not offended by scriptural truth.

But with most every post you make, your words imply that you are the only one with the indwelling.

If not, then, who else here on the forum do you think has this Ruha (besides you of course)?

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Bill Taylor]

I'm not offended by scriptural truth.

But with most every post you make, your words imply that you are the only one with the indwelling.

If not, then, who else here on the forum do you think has this Ruha (besides you of course)?

Kindly,
Rhema

There are a few, MedicƁravo, Chdist4ever, and à number of others that I am to old to NV n̈ame right now.

 

[Dave M]

Well my friend, the prophecy is in motion. I told you 5-6 yrs ago, President Trump would win re-election. And he will be assassinated in office during his second term.

After not winning against Biden, you reminded me of what I had said. My reply was, "Not Yet" . And never spoke to me again for quite a while.

What will you say when he is assassinated in the Oval Office. It will happen in the springtime, of which year i do not know.

The servant of the most High God was sent to President Trump during his first year in office with this message, "Would you be willing to give your life to your country?". His response was yes!

is that what you really said?

because I can tell you that is not what you said, at all.

This post makes me very sad,

know that the Lord God is a forgiving merciful gracious God, much more then we Christians are to our ro each other. He waits with open arms for us to HUMBLE ourselves and fall before him to ask for mercy and grace that we all need.

 

[Ncdataman]

After reading this very long post, I find some of this conversation fascinating. I see the points everyone is trying to make, but I also see a lot of pride in the responses here. Discussion is always good, but insults and trying to provoke someone to see your viewpoint hardly ever result in anything but strife. Blessings and Peace , NC

 

[Rhema]

After reading this very long post, I find some of this conversation fascinating. I see the points everyone is trying to make, but I also see a lot of pride in the responses here. Discussion is always good, but insults and trying to provoke someone to see your viewpoint hardly ever result in anything but strife. Blessings and Peace , NC

As the prophet said...

Ya can't always get what you want....​

​

 

[Ncdataman]

I think the Rolling Stones said that as well

 

[backNforth]

From the OP:

Section 2 - So, what is a Christian?

"Christian" is a mere label; whereas believer is an action.

Claiming such label would be a declension, a step down, from standing as a believer in or follower of Jesus Christ. I challenge brethren often about using the name of Jesus Christ in their witness, rather than the once-removed politically-correct label of "Christian." I have even seen people manifest at the mention of Jesus. Fact is, in the Holy Bible, you will never find a man of God calling another man of God, "Christian."

How and when was the word "Christian" first used? The term 'Christian' was used to describe a follower of Christ in terms of the world, from the world’s point of view. The pagans at Antioch called the apostles "Christians" first (Acts 11:26; 26:28) and used it derogatorily because the apostles didn’t follow the commercial world of the pagans. "Christian" is an adjective, not a noun. The substance is not in the word "Christian", the substance is in the heart of the man it is attempting to describe, and which the pagan user cannot see.

Christ never called himself a Christian, Christ never called his followers Christians. The apostles never called each other Christians. Christ never used an adjective to describe himself. So how are we to identify ourselves then? The disciples called each other, "brethren", "disciples", "apostles", "servants", "believers", "followers", "the faithful", "the elect", "the called", and "saints." We can also identify ourselves as "bondservants" of Christ.

The servants of Christ belong to the kingdom of God. If you do not belong to a certain kingdom, you are labeled or named by that kingdom to be of another kingdom. For example, people in the continent (kingdom) of North America call those from the continent (kingdom) of South America, South Americans; from Asia, Asians; from Africa, Africans; from Europe, Europeans. But South Americans don’t call themselves South Americans, Asians don’t call themselves Asians. Africans don’t call themselves Africans, and Europeans don’t call themselves Europeans. Do North Americans call themselves North Americans? When you introduce yourself to somebody, do you say, "Hi! I’m a North American!" No, you don’t, because those from the same kingdom do not place labels on themselves or others. If you are a constituent of a Kingdom, you do not name one in the same Kingdom any thing; but you call them according to the relation between the two of you (brother, sister, mother, father, workman, labourer, minister, bishop, deacon, etc). And who establishes the relation? The Lawgiver (Isaiah 33:22, James 4:12).

The term "Christian" was imposed upon the servants of Christ by Christ’s enemies living outside the Kingdom of God, to label those living in the Kingdom of God. Servants of Christ should not call themselves Christians, since this would imply that we are not from the Kingdom of God. Just like someone in Asia would not call themselves ‘Asians’, those living in Christ should not call themselves ‘Christians,’ because it would give the impression to others that you are from a different kingdom.

1 John 4:5, "They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world…"

As scripture says, those who are of the world speak of the world, and use the words of the world. By using the words of the world, or by using the words of another kingdom, you identify yourself as being of that kingdom. And, since the word "Christian" is a term of the world, it might be best to use the words of God to describe us.

Here are a few references:

"Christian: A follower of the religion of Christ [Note carefully that Christ never started a religion - John 7:16]. It is probable that the name Christian, like that of Nazarenes and Galileans, was given to the disciples of our Lord in reproach or contempt. What confirms this opinion is, that the people of Antioch in Syria, Acts 11:26, where they were first called Christians observed by Zosimus, Procopius, and Zonaras, to have been remarkable for their scurrilous jesting. Some have indeed thought that this name was given by the disciples to themselves; others, that it was imposed on them by divine authority; in either of which cases we should have met with it in the subsequent history of the Acts, and in the Apostolic Epistles, all of which were written some years after; whereas it is found but in two more places in the New Testament, Acts 26:28, where a Jew is the speaker, and in 1 Peter 4:16, where reference appears to be made to the name as imposed on them by their enemies. The word used, Acts 11:26, signifies simply to be called or named, and when Doddridge and a few others take to imply a divine appointment, they disregard the usus loquendi [established acceptation of the term] which gives no support to that opinion. The words Tacitus, when speaking of the Christians persecuted by Nero, are remarkable, ‘vulgus Christianos appellabat,’ ‘the vulgar call them Christians.’ Epiphanius says, that they were called Jesseans, either from Jesse, the father of David, or, which is much more probable, from the name of Jesus, whose disciples they were. They were denominated Christians, A. D. 42 or 43; and though the name was first given reproachfully, they gloried in it, as expressing their adherence to Christ, and they soon generally accepted it." Richard Watson, Watson’s Bible Dictionary (1832), p. 233.

"Cristianos, Christian: a word formally not after the Greek but after the Roman manner, denoting attachment to or adherents to Christ. Only occurs as used by others of them, not by Christians of themselves. Tacitus (A.D. 96) says (Annals 15, 44), ‘The vulgar call them Christians. The author or origin of this denomination, Christus, had, in the reign of Tiberius been executed by the procurator, Pontius Pilate.’" Ethelbert William Bullinger, A Critical Lexicon and Concordance of the English and Greek New Testament (1908), p. 152.

"This name (Christian) occurs but three times in the New Testament, and is never used by Christians of themselves, only as spoken by or coming from those without the church. The general names by which the early Christians called themselves were ‘brethren,’ ‘disciples,’ ‘believers,’ and ‘saints.’ The presumption is that the name ‘Christian’ was originated by the heathen." Thomas W. Doane, Bible Myths (1882), page 567, note 3.

"The name (Christian) given by the Greeks or Romans, probably in reproach, to the followers of Jesus. It was first used at Antioch." Easton’s Bible Dictionary.

"Egypt, which you commanded to me, my dearest Servianus, I have found to be wholly fickle and inconsistent, and continually wafted about every breath of fame. The worshippers of Serapis (here) are called Christians, and those who are devoted to the god Serapis (I find), call themselves Bishops of Christ." The Emperor Adrian to Servianus, written A.D. 134.

If you go to Zodhiates Word Studies, he tells you that when they were called Christians at Antioch, using the word ‘crematezo,’ it was a "divine warning." In other words, be forewarned, avoid this word and the use of it. And that’s what the apostles did. You will never read any of these New Testament writers using the term ‘christian’ to describe themselves.

P.S. If you want to experience a quantum leap in the effectiveness of your witness, drop the socially-safe and PC "Christian" label and rather go with "Jesus Christ." Then stand ready for the fireworks!

 

[Rhema]

"Christian" is an adjective, not a noun.

Nope.

Χριστιανός G5546 is a noun, in both Acts 11:26 and Acts 26:28.

You don't have the right to change the language and lie to people about it.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Christ never used an adjective to describe himself.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.​

(Matthew 11:29 KJV)

Both meek and lowly are adjectives that Christ used to describe himself.

You don't have the right to change the language and lie to people about it.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

"This name (Christian) occurs but three times in the New Testament, and is never used by Christians of themselves,

Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.​

(1 Peter 4:16 KJV)

The author of First Peter used it when addressing believers.

You don't have the right to change the language and lie to people about it.

Rhema
(And it's declined as a noun here too.)

 

[Rhema]

If you go to Zodhiates Word Studies, he tells you that when they were called Christians at Antioch, using the word ‘crematezo,’ it was a "divine warning."

He's wrong.

I provide a LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for the verb χρηματίζω.

III. in later writers, from Polybius downwards, the action χρηματίζω takes some special senses:​

1. to take and bear a title or name, to be called or styled so and so​

Zodhiates doesn't have the right to change the language and lie to people about it.

Rhema

 

[Bill]

is that what you really said?

because I can tell you that is not what you said, at all.

This post makes me very sad,

know that the Lord God is a forgiving merciful gracious God, much more then we Christians are to our ro each other. He waits with open arms for us to HUMBLE ourselves and fall before him to ask for mercy and grace that we all need.

Yes , after you complained that Trump was not re-elected, i said "not yet"

What does God being forgiving and merciful have to do with a prophecy. Do you think Pres. Trump is being punished? No, he is not being punished. The prophecy is of what will happen.