Speaking in Tongues: Required for Regeneration?.

[AnneOminous]

Okay then.
Probably a good jumping off point for me.
Sorry if I gave any offense. That was not my intent.

Good call.

 

[God's Truth]

Okay then.
Probably a good jumping off point for me.
Sorry if I gave any offense. That was not my intent.

It's nice to hear sorry.

 

[Shaolin]

You post just more of the same.

I gave you Scripture and you ignore it for your bias. When you come to grips with the fact that Scripture does not contradict itself, then we can continue with a meaningful conversation...until then, "you get what you give." Which is in your case, "more of the same" nonsense.

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[Shaolin]

There are no more Apostles on earth.


An apostle is one who is CHOSEN, CALLED, and SENT, and TAUGHT by Jesus, and able to do MANY MIRACLES and helped lay the foundation. .

And I have already given you passages that demonstrate your claim is NOT Scriptural, and yet again you ignored them for your false bias.

You are not a truth seeker, and you do NOT learn from Jesus. If you did then your false doctrine would not be false, it would not directly contradict what Scripture teaches.

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[Shaolin]

Does this site allow lies on other members? Quote me where I said God is powerless.

Is your reading comprehension affected my medication or something, or do you really read into what other people say things that they did not say all the time? You have accused him twice now of saying that you said God is powerless, when that is not what he has said, ever.

No wonder you read Scripture and come away from it with false doctrines...

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[God's Truth]

I gave you Scripture and you ignore it for your bias. When you come to grips with the fact that Scripture does not contradict itself, then we can continue with a meaningful conversation...until then, "you get what you give." Which is in your case, "more of the same" nonsense.

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I don't ignore any scripture.

 

[Shaolin]

Not all disciples were Apostles.

The Apostles helped lay the foundation.

Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.


Those are the ones who laid the foundation.
There are no more Prophets and Apostles.
The foundation has been laid.

Wrong. A modern day apostle is usually what we today call a missionary. They go where the Word of God has not yet reached, and there they "lay the foundation" as it were in that region. They do perform many miracles, and I could give you many examples but I won't waste my time on that because you will ignore them again for your bias. Until you become a truth seeker, you will never be able to come to the truth found in Scripture.

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[God's Truth]

And I have already given you passages that demonstrate your claim is NOT Scriptural, and yet again you ignored them for your false bias.

You are not a truth seeker, and you do NOT learn from Jesus. If you did then your false doctrine would not be false, it would not directly contradict what Scripture teaches.

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I gave you scriptures explaining what an Apostle is.

An Apostle is someone who helped lay the foundation.

The foundation has been laid a long time ago.

Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

 

[Shaolin]

I don't ignore any scripture.

The fact is, you have...so following your lead, am I now to call you out on your lie?

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[Shaolin]

I gave you scriptures explaining what an Apostle is.

An Apostle is someone who helped lay the foundation.

The foundation has been laid a long time ago.

Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

No, what you did was give a passage and then your opinion on what you have been brainwashed to believe it means.

You now give Eph. 2:20...which does NOT support your false claims. It does NOT say that anywhere that the church offices of apostle or prophet have ceased...you are again reading into the text what your carnal mind tells you, NOT what the passage actually states.

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[God's Truth]

No, what you did was give a passage and then your opinion on what you have been brainwashed to believe it means.

You now give Eph. 2:20...which does NOT support your false claims. It does NOT say that anywhere that the church offices of apostle or prophet have ceased...you are again reading into the text what your carnal mind tells you, NOT what the passage actually states.

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The prophets and apostles helped lay the foundation. The foundation has been laid. If anyone claims to be an apostle now, can they also claim to have laid the foundation? Think.

 

[God's Truth]

Is your reading comprehension affected my medication or something, or do you really read into what other people say things that they did not say all the time? You have accused him twice now of saying that you said God is powerless, when that is not what he has said, ever.

No wonder you read Scripture and come away from it with false doctrines...

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You need to learn how to use that delete button. You are embarassing.

 

[Garee]

I gave you scriptures explaining what an Apostle is.

An Apostle is someone who helped lay the foundation.

The foundation has been laid a long time ago.

Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

An apostle (sent one) with no extra meaning is one sent with prophecy the living word of God .

Abel is the first recorded apostle and first recorded martyr who sufferer being yoked with Christ .his burden like ours was made lighter with a hope beyond the grave .

God is still sending men with the gospel .

An apostle does not perform miracles. .only God unseen can . Those who do attribute the unseen power or work of the gospel to the hands of dying mankind make the apostles into legion of disembodied gods in the likeness of men. (Greek gods)

Acts 14:7-12 And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith (power) to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.

 

[vhusley]

I gave you scriptures explaining what an Apostle is.

An Apostle is someone who helped lay the foundation.

The foundation has been laid a long time ago.

Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

The problem is that you take this one scripture and based solely upon it, you ASSUME that the office of Apostle is/was ONLY given for “laying the foundation”. This is called cherry-picking scripture to defend YOUR narrative. The truth is that there are other scriptures that speak of apostleship as well….and God’s Word DOES NOT contradict itself. Scripture stands upon scripture.
What of Ephesians 4:11-14?
I’ve given you this passage earlier in this thread and you did not address it.

“And He gave some as apostles some as prophets, some as evangelists, some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, to the building up of the body of Christ; UNTIL we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.”
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Have we ALL attained the unity of faith? Reached maturity in the knowledge of the Son of God to the measure of the FULLNESS of Christ?
If not, then we, as the Body, still need all of those offices, and they have not ceased.

 

[God's Truth]

An apostle (sent one) with no extra meaning is one sent

You are ignoring what the scriptures I gave say.

An apostles is one who did not learn from men what they know. For instance, there are those of the Pentecostal denomination who claim they have apostles in their church, however, they were taught their denomination by men and women of their denomination. It is the same with Mormons, they claim they have apostles in their denomination, but everyone in their denomination were taught by men and women.

with prophecy the living word of God .

There are prophets and apostles. You are making it like there is only one kind of person.

Abel is the first recorded apostle and first recorded martyr who sufferer being yoked with Christ .his burden like ours was made lighter with a hope beyond the grave .

Could you give the scripture that says Abel was an apostle?

God is still sending men with the gospel .

An apostle does not perform miracles. .only God unseen can . Those who do attribute the unseen power or work of the gospel to the hands of dying mankind make the apostles into legion of disembodied gods in the likeness of men. (Greek gods)

God gave them the power to do it.

Matthew 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

 

[God's Truth]

The problem is that you take this one scripture and based solely upon it,

You cannot lay any scripture aside.
John 10:35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside—

you ASSUME that the office of Apostle is/was ONLY given for “laying the foundation”. This is called cherry-picking scripture to defend YOUR narrative.

You have an imagined slight about using scripture. lol

The truth is that there are other scriptures that speak of apostleship as well….and God’s Word DOES NOT contradict itself. Scripture stands upon scripture.
What of Ephesians 4:11-14?
I’ve given you this passage earlier in this thread and you did not address it.

“And He gave some as apostles some as prophets, some as evangelists, some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, to the building up of the body of Christ; UNTIL we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.”

How do you ever get that I don't address the scriptures others use? I have explained this all along...that that scripture is during the laying of the foundation, and the foundation was laid a long time ago.

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Have we ALL attained the unity of faith? Reached maturity in the knowledge of the Son of God to the measure of the FULLNESS of Christ?
If not, then we, as the Body, still need all of those offices, and they have not ceased.

I am trying to help you see the error in your teachings, and show you from the written word, but you would rather go by what your false apostles and prophets say.

 

[PloughBoy]

I wonder will “Jesus” and The People in. the New Jerusalem will be speaking in “glossolalia”?
I know one thing I hope we get it right before Jesus get back, because arguments has be going on for almost 2,000 years and this body is not in agreement whatsoever Talking about a divide kingdom. About a language. A language. A divide kingdom cannot stand. It makes you wonder is this language is of GOD. One thing for sure it divides and separates. And a little leaven spoils the Whole Lump.
And scripture cannot be broken.

I wonder have Christianity has become a “Democracy” and The New Jerusalem will have two groups in its kingdom liken to; Republicans on one side and “Democrat s” on the other.
And then will we put it to the vote. Since we will reign together with Christ in the 1000 year reign.

 

[vhusley]

How do you ever get that I don't address the scriptures others use? I have explained this all along...that that scripture is during the laying of the foundation, and the foundation was laid a long time ago.

Yes, Paul's words in Ephesians 4:11-14 were written DURING the laying of the church foundation; but THESE words that he wrote to the Church at Ephesus, are NOT ABOUT the laying of the foundation. These words are plainly about the on-going building-up of the Body of Christ....the church!
".... TO THE BUILDING UP OF THE BODY OF CHRIST....." - Ephesians 4:12
Are you unable to discern this for some reason or are you simply refusing to see it out of pride?

I am trying to help you see the error in your teachings, and show you from the written word, but you would rather go by what your false apostles and prophets say.

And I am going by the very WORD of God.......
......and from it, I provided scripture that you have yet to answer, address, or explain.....so I will ask again:
Have we ALL attained the unity of faith of which Paul speaks? Have we reached that maturity in the knowledge of the Son of God to the measure of the FULLNESS of Christ Himself?
"UNTIL we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ." - Ephesians 4:13
If not, then we, as the Body, still need all of those offices, and they have not ceased.
So you wont answer, because deep down you know that this scripture contradicts your false claims. Instead you will attempt to derail and distract again by claiming I am being taught by "false prophets" and "false apostles" (when you really know nothing of where I am being taught nor anything about who I may be learning from.)

I'm really a nice person, but I also cherish and strongly defend the Word of God.
Everyone is entitled to read God's Word and interpret it how they will (even wrongly).....to believe it or not....to accept it or not..
I will attempt to share truth with them....to witness to them, but if they appear to have a hardened heart, or refuse to receive any teaching or wisdom (other than their own) then I generally just stay quiet and leave them to it. However, if I encounter someone who is misusing/mishandling scripture in order to rebuke others wrongly for what they are practicing RIGHTLY.....I will speak out, just as I have in this thread.

 

[vhusley]

I wonder will “Jesus” and The People in. the New Jerusalem will be speaking in “glossolalia”?
I know one thing I hope we get it right before Jesus get back, because arguments has be going on for almost 2,000 years and this body is not in agreement whatsoever Talking about a divide kingdom. About a language. A language. A divide kingdom cannot stand. It makes you wonder is this language is of GOD. One thing for sure it divides and separates. And a little leaven spoils the Whole Lump.
And scripture cannot be broken.

I wonder have Christianity has become a “Democracy” and The New Jerusalem will have two groups in its kingdom liken to; Republicans on one side and “Democrat s” on the other.
And then will we put it to the vote. Since we will reign together with Christ in the 1000 year reign.

Nossir, aint gonna be that way in the New Kingdom....no tongues...and no democracy for sure! .
But also no prophesy, no healings, and no miracles. There will no longer be a need for it. But tongues have a purpose in His church for the time being....and so do those other gifts and ministries....at least until we reach that perfection...that "measure of stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ!" That is biblical.

And one more thing; this may seem contradictory for many, but Jesus came (and gave us the Gospel) TO DIVIDE the "wheat from the tares". Yes, even from within the walls of the church or from within the confines of the "storehouse" (which we know to be His Kingdom, because in the parable He likens it to that.

Do you think that I came to provide peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division; - Luke 12:51

Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” – Matthew 13:30

He WILL bring unity to His CHurch....to the Body....but I believe it will come through division...through that "winnowing fork" of which He speaks. Sadly, It will be an uncomfortable process for very many.
Be blessed brother.

 

[Garee]

You are ignoring what the scriptures I gave say.

An apostles is one who did not learn from men what they know. For instance, there are those of the Pentecostal denomination who claim they have apostles in their church, however, they were taught their denomination by men and women of their denomination. It is the same with Mormons, they claim they have apostles in their denomination, but everyone in their denomination were taught by men and women.

Words ne ed to be defined if we are to follow the will of God. Change the meaning of one word can change the gospel or intent of the one author .

I was defining the word apostle .(sent one)

An apostles is one who did not learn from men what they know. That includes all of the sons of God (Christians) sent with the gospel .

They as us are warned of another false teaching authority other than our anointing teacher the unseen Holy Spirit . The word apostle does not mean "taught of God" rather than again "one sent". Sent with prophecy the declared word of God. He does the teaching .In that way we are to call no man on earth good teaching master as Lord, one is in heaven

1 John2: 26-27 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

There are prophets and apostles. You are making it like there is only one kind of person.

Apostles (sent ones) are sent with prophecy (the will of another)

Could you give the scripture that says Abel was an apostle?

Yes he is also first listed martyr who was prosecuted to death buried him under the corn field His blood like the righteous blood from him to Zacharias

Genesis4: 8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Matthew 23:35 hat upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

God gave them the power to do it.

Matthew 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

Yes living in their corrupted dying body no power is attributed to the apostles .Those that did make them into Greek gods in the likeness of men blasphemed the Holy Spirit that works in those he sends .( Acts14)

God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form he can send a Ass to prophecy as he did. the words given to the ass (apostle) stopped the madness of that false apostle Balaam. Three times. Three denoted the end of a matter throughout the Bible

Number 22: 32-33 And the angel of the Lord said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me: And the ass saw me, and turned from me these three times: unless she had turned from me, surely now also I had slain thee, and saved her alive