Speaking in Tongues: Required for Regeneration?.

[Garee]

No they have not.
Sorry to burst your bubble.

What are the new ones saying what are the words? Can we add them to the bible .

 

[God's Truth]

The question was - "what has your church have to offer?"
Three hymns and a short sermon followed by tea and biscuits?

I don't belong to any denomination, not even non denominational. I belong to the body of Christ, he is my Church.

 

[God's Truth]

No they have not.
Sorry to burst your bubble.

Are you speaking mysteries with your tongues? Can you interpret these mysteries and add these mysteries to the Bible? No! For anything you want to tell me and say it is from God, I will check what you say with the scriptures.

The mysteries have already been revealed.

Ephesians 3:3-9
3 that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.


When someone who speaks (real) tongues and no one was around to understand and interpret, then they spoke these mysteries only to God and their own minds were FRUITLESS.

1 Corinthians 14:2
For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus himself declared such:
Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

That was to Jesus' APOSTLES.

Rom 15:18 For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience - by word and deed,
19 by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God - so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ;

God testified to what the APOSTLES SAID.

Acts 28:8 It happened that the father of Publius lay sick with fever and dysentery. And Paul visited him and prayed, and putting his hands on him, healed him.
9 And when this had taken place, the rest of the people on the island who had diseases also came and were cured.

The Bible doesn't say healing won't stop.

Healing just doesn't happen in the exact same way as when the Apostles spoke...there are not people raised from the dead after four days, their are no people being born blind able to see, and born paralyzed and made to walk. God still does miracles and healing for us though, just not as a testimony anymore to the message!

1Cor 14:18 I [Paul] thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.

That was during the New Testament times---during the laying of the foundation. It was when tongues were still a gift given.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus IS the truth. He is “the way, the TRUTH, and the life.” (John 14:6) He is the “Word made flesh,”(John 1:14). And after His flesh was crucified and was resurrected, He ascended and sent His Spirit…the Comforter…..the Spirit of Truth, to dwell in us (John 14, Acts 1:4-8)

God’sWord even goes as far as to plainly tell us that He is Spirit….and that we MUST “worship Him in Spirit AND in Truth” (John 4:24).
So how exactly do YOU worship Him in the Spirit?

By not adding or detracting from the Bible, by not leaning to the left or to the right, by not going beyond what is written, by obeying Jesus.

So, you say you have knowledge of the Truth….that you believe….great….”even the devils believe” and know the truth of who God is. But belief, and knowledge of the truth is not enough.

Even the demons believe and do something! They shudder!

That is a scripture that rebukes faith alone.

The real question is: do you have the Holy Spirit? “Have you received the Holy Ghost since you first believed?” (Acts 19:2)

Belief alone is dead. The people who believed and were saved believed that they had to obey.

Sadly, based on the false doctrine you are defending here, I’d have to guess that you have not received the baptism of the Holy Spirit….otherwise your answers regarding the primary question of the OP would be quite different than what you are espousing here.

You are wrong.

And according to Jesus in His words to Nicodemus, “…..unless a man be born of water AND of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

I will pray for you my friend; that your eyes and your heart may be opened to truth. If I knew your name, I’d lift it up before the Lord right now.

You should pray for yourself, because I have a powerful testimony, and I am just trying to help you have one too.

 

[vhusley]

By not adding or detracting from the Bible, by not leaning to the left or to the right, by not going beyond what is written, by obeying Jesus.

Awesome. I don’t do those things either. But that’s worshipping in TRUTH, not in SPIRIT. Those are what you DON’T do…..so what do you DO in the Spirit? Anything? Any power from on high at all?
I’m sorry friend but you only seem to have half of the equation. You’re missing out on so much.

Belief alone is dead. The people who believed and were saved believed that they had to obey.

No, FAITH alone is dead. You are misquoting scripture and I’m not sure if you even know that there is a pretty big difference between BELIEF and FAITH.
“Belief” is the groundwork for “faith”. Faith is not of ourselves, it comes from God. Belief, on the other hand is solely our responsibility.

You are wrong.

Believe me, this is one of those occasions where I wish that I was (or hope that I am).

You should pray for yourself, because I have a powerful testimony, and I am just trying to help you have one too.

I do pray for myself. And I am glad that you have a testimony….I have one as well….we all need one. But does that mean you no longer need prayers? That is so out of bounds with what a true born-again believer would/should say. It reeks of the spirit of pride and arrogance.

I still humble myself before God EVERY SINGLE DAY and pray that He might open my spiritual eyes, soften my heart, and give me wisdom and deeper truth.

Apparently you don’t need that. You’ve got”truth” all figured out. Good on you! Perhaps we should all be striving to attain your level of righteousness and the kind of “spirit-filled” relationship you have with God.
I’ve contributed all that I can. I’ll leave you to it.
May God have mercy on those whose hearts remained hardened against His Holy Spirit today!

 

[vhusley]

Jesus himself declared such:
Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

then you responded

That was to Jesus' APOSTLES.

So then according to you and what you’re saying, the “Great Commission” really isn’t for us at all. We’ve actually been disobeying God by going out into the world and preaching the Gospel….because that was all only for Jesus’ Apostles?

Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound right now?[/QUOTE]

 

[God's Truth]

Awesome. I don’t do those things either. But that’s worshipping in TRUTH, not in SPIRIT.

No, it is worshiping in Spirit and truth, it goes together.
Jesus is the Truth, and he is the Spirit.

No one receives the Spirit and Truth unless they obey Jesus' teachings.

Those are what you DON’T do…..so what do you DO in the Spirit? Anything? Any power from on high at all?

You mean do I have any gifts of the Spirit?
It sounds like you are trying to act above other Christians for your fake tongues. Even in the time when tongues was a gift given, not all had the gift, and, no one was supposed to act above another Christian for it.

Some Christians were given different gifts, like one had the gift of prophecy, and another serving others, another teaching, another the gift to motivate others, one has more wealth and can give generously, some are better at leading, and some are good at showing mercy.

Those are all gifts that are real today, not the one you pride yourself with.


Romans 12:6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.

I’m sorry friend but you only seem to have half of the equation. You’re missing out on so much.

You are badly mistaken.

No, FAITH alone is dead. You are misquoting scripture and I’m not sure if you even know that there is a pretty big difference between BELIEF and FAITH.
“Belief” is the groundwork for “faith”. Faith is not of ourselves, it comes from God. Belief, on the other hand is solely our responsibility.

Believe me, this is one of those occasions where I wish that I was (or hope that I am).

Belief and faith in Jesus are the same thing, and, it is dead if it is all you do, for we have to believe that we have to obey Jesus, we have to have faith in his words and do what he says.

I do pray for myself. And I am glad that you have a testimony….I have one as well….we all need one. But does that mean you no longer need prayers? That is so out of bounds with what a true born-again believer would/should say. It reeks of the spirit of pride and arrogance.

I still humble myself before God EVERY SINGLE DAY and pray that He might open my spiritual eyes, soften my heart, and give me wisdom and deeper truth.

Apparently you don’t need that. You’ve got”truth” all figured out. Good on you! Perhaps we should all be striving to attain your level of righteousness and the kind of “spirit-filled” relationship you have with God.
I’ve contributed all that I can. I’ll leave you to it.
May God have mercy on those whose hearts remained hardened against His Holy Spirit today!

What you said you wanted to pray for me was evil, it really was. You said I wasn't born of water and of the Spirit, and you that I haven't entered the kingdom of heaven and wasn't saved, you said my eyes and heart didn't have the truth.
It is one thing to believe, as I do, that you are believing and teaching wrongly about a gift, but it is another thing to do what you are doing, and that is to claim someone is still condemned and not saved.
You have the nerve to pretend you only had a sweet prayer for me and have done nothing wrong. You have proven yourself to be very much in error, for it was with the judgment you judged that will be measured to you.

Matthew 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

 

[God's Truth]

then you responded

So then according to you and what you’re saying, the “Great Commission” really isn’t for us at all. We’ve actually been disobeying God by going out into the world and preaching the Gospel….because that was all only for Jesus’ Apostles?

Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound right now?

Jesus said that to his Apostles. His Apostles were sent as he was. That is not to all. His Apostles and Prophets helped lay the foundation---the foundation has been laid.

 

[vhusley]

Jesus himself declared such:
Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Rom 15:18 For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience - by word and deed,
19 by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God - so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ;

Acts 28:8 It happened that the father of Publius lay sick with fever and dysentery. And Paul visited him and prayed, and putting his hands on him, healed him.
9 And when this had taken place, the rest of the people on the island who had diseases also came and were cured.
1Cor 14:18 I [Paul] thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.

Jesus said that to his Apostles. His Apostles were sent as he was. That is not to all. His Apostles and Prophets helped lay the foundation---the foundation has been laid.

So the Great Commission is not for us today, only for the original Apostles? We’re not called to go into the world and preach the Gospel as they were because the original Apostles covered it all? Got it.
Okay, this is where I finally take my leave. You lack understanding and your heart is not ready to see truth in scripture.
Good day my friend. Be blessed….sincerely.

 

[God's Truth]

So the Great Commission is not for us today, only for the original Apostles? We’re not called to go into the world and preach the Gospel as they were because the original Apostles covered it all? Got it.
Okay, this is where I finally take my leave. You lack understanding and your heart is not ready to see truth in scripture.
Good day my friend. Be blessed….sincerely.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

You have no ability that was given to the Apostles.

There are no more Apostles.

 

[Shaolin]

I already explained this to you. It was during the time of the laying of the foundation. The foundation has been laid a long time ago. We have the Bible and it is finished. The Bible tells us how to make Jesus our Teacher, how to be reconciled to God, a child of His, an heir, and the church is Jesus' body.

Actually, you didn't explain anything but your bias. Your bias doesn't count for anything.

What do you mean Barnabas and James weren't taught by Jesus, how do you know that? There are two Apostles to the Lamb named James, and, Jesus has a brother named James.

We can ONLY go by what Scripture tells us. You ASSUMING that they walked with Jesus when you are NOT told that they did is pure cow patty. This is why your personal theology is so jacked up and antibibilical...because you read into the text what you want to see, not what it actually says. That is what makes you a false teacher.

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[Shaolin]

I don't agree with anything you say.

OH...so you believe that God does contradict Himself, that is truly telling.
What you come up with is unbiblical yet you claim Jesus taught it to you, when what you believe is contradictory to Scripture it demonstrates that you don't listen to Christ, but some other spirit claiming to be Him. That is telling, also.

The fact that you don't agree with what Scripture clearly states, demonstrates that you are no more a Christian than you are a tennis shoe. Scripture says we are saved by knowing and walking in the truth, and since you reject the clear teaching of Scripture, you are not walking in nor believing the truth.

And you don't listen, either...you just want justification for your beliefs. Sorry, since they head-butt God, you will never get justification for what you hold to.

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[Shaolin]

You were taught by false teacher of the denomination of your choice.

Jesus is my Teacher.

See, this is another hallmark of false teachers and demon-led individuals who think the way you do...you know nothing about me, yet you spurt out nonsense in order to defend your bias. I was taught some things that were error, yes, like most of us have been. The difference between me and you, 'gods-not-truth,' is that when I became a man I started studying the Scriptures, I learned how to study them accurately using a complete Biblical hermeneutic, and I found what was false from what was true. I cling to what Scripture actually states, what can be ratified as fact...not like you, reading what you want it to say.

My theology is based upon Biblical facts, not subjective nonsense. I am a theologian, what are you? I know how to study Scripture and you have demonstrated that you do not.

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[Shaolin]

Jesus is my Teacher.

And again...if Jesus was your teacher, then your pathetic doctrine would NOT directly contradict what Scripture clearly teaches.

Therefore, the only logical, common sense answer, is that you are deceived by the voices that you hear 'teaching' you.

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[Shaolin]

Denial is no defense for the truth.

I didn't deny anything...aside from the fact that your personal theology is Biblical. You don't understand English very well, do you?

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[God's Truth]

Actually, you didn't explain anything but your bias. Your bias doesn't count for anything.




We can ONLY go by what Scripture tells us. You ASSUMING that they walked with Jesus when you are NOT told that they did is pure cow patty. This is why your personal theology is so jacked up and antibibilical...because you read into the text what you want to see, not what it actually says. That is what makes you a false teacher.

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I gave you scriptures that say what an apostle is. You are going against the scriptures.

 

[God's Truth]

OH...so you believe that God does contradict Himself, that is truly telling.
What you come up with is unbiblical yet you claim Jesus taught it to you, when what you believe is contradictory to Scripture it demonstrates that you don't listen to Christ, but some other spirit claiming to be Him. That is telling, also.

The fact that you don't agree with what Scripture clearly states, demonstrates that you are no more a Christian than you are a tennis shoe. Scripture says we are saved by knowing and walking in the truth, and since you reject the clear teaching of Scripture, you are not walking in nor believing the truth.

And you don't listen, either...you just want justification for your beliefs. Sorry, since they head-butt God, you will never get justification for what you hold to.

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I don't agree with you and your insults are no defense for any truth.

 

[Shaolin]

According to you, after Paul was saved, he kept only doing what he hated and couldn't do what he wanted to do?
The Apostle Paul only did bad?

Again, you don't listen very well, do you? Or, perhaps, you don't have very sharp intellectual skills? No where did I, or Paul, say that he could "ONLY" do bad. Once again, you are reading into what others say from your own carnal mind. I did not say what you claim, neither did Paul.

You claim that after Paul was saved he only did sinful things with his flesh? So much for Paul making his body obedient so he doesn't lose his salvation.

Again, I did not say that, your carnal bias told you that. You need to learn to differentiate between what people actual say and what your lying bias tries to make you believe...

1 Corinthians 9:27

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Yes...and don't forget Romans 8:1-13...and go ONLY by what it says, don't read into it what your carnal minded bias feeds you with regarding his words...

You say nothing good dwells in Paul after he was saved? You really want to say that?

Your 1st Grade reading capability is really getting taxing. Paul did not say that, did he. He said "nothing good dwells ... in my flesh." There is a difference between a man's fleshly sin nature and him (the spirit man), and that is the demarcation that Paul makes in this passage. As Jesus asked Peter, "Are you STILL without understanding?"

According to you, Paul only did wicked things?

No...what you claim here is according to your own wicked carnally minded bias that can't see the truth of the passage before you in black and white.

Paul is speaking of someone under the law without faith.

Really? Let's see how your bias blinds you to Scriptural truth...

Romans 7:15-25*
15 I do not understand my own actions; how I keep doing what I hate instead of what I keep wanting to do.
16 Now, if I am doing what I do not want to do, then I agree with the law - it is good.
17 So, now I am no longer the one authoring those actions, but it is the sin nature that dwells within my flesh that is doing them;
18 I understand that nothing good dwells within me - that is, nothing good dwells within my flesh; because I have the desire to do what is right in God's eyes, but my flesh gives me no power to carry out those things.
19 Because the things that I do are not the things that I want to do, but the wickedness that I do not want to be doing, that is what I keep on doing.
20 This is a spiritual principal: if I keep doing what I do not want to do after the inner man, then it is no longer my doing - the sin that dwells within my flesh is now the cause.
21 Therefore, I find it to be a spiritual principal that when I want to do what is right in God's eyes, wickedness is always present,
22 because I delight in the law of God according to the inner man...
23 but I see a different principal in my body of flesh that continuously wages war against the law of my mind, and constantly tries to dominate me and bring me back into subjection to the principal of sin that still dwells in my body.
24 How miserable this makes me! What can deliver me from this flesh of sinful appetites for death?
25 But thanksgiving be to God through Jesus Christ the Lord! Therefore, accordingly, in my inner man I serve the law of God, but the flesh is bound in slavery to the principal of sin.

Paul uses the personal pronouns "I" "me" and "my" 36 times...yet you claim that he is speaking about someone else! That truly demonstrates your biased mind in calling the apostle Paul a liar. WOW...is there any hope for you at all?

It is beyond ridiculous that anyone thinks Paul is speaking of himself after being saved.

No, rather, it is beyond ridiculous that you call Paul a liar...THAT'S what's truly ridiculous...

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[Shaolin]

Tongues were a sign to the Jews. The sign was given. It was a gift given as a testimony from God. God gave the testimony. It was during the laying the foundation. The foundation has been laid. The people who spoke in tongues spoke mysteries. All the mysteries have been given. Tongues have ceased.

Sorry, but your false personal theology needs to cease. You cling to false calvinistic nonsense that has been demonstrated since late 1880's to be factual and historically accurate. Your bias will send you to hell, sir...if I were you, I would start listening to what the whole Word of God says on subjects, rather than taking passages out of their context and reinterpreting them like you have demonstrated yourself to be doing.

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