The 2 Kinds of Faith of Abraham

[Garee]

You said, "Zipporah cut off the foreskin of her son,(Gershom) and cast it at his (Gershom) feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou (Gershom) .Gershom a type of Jesus the Son of man" and, "Exodus 4:25-26 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son( Gershom representing the sufferings of Jesus beforehand the Son of man the firstborn.), and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision."

The Bible doesn't say that. Zipporah cast it at Moses' feet.
Circumcision is now a type of Jesus to you? You said it was the veil before.

You haven't proven your beliefs with scripture to me.

It would seem you are avoiding the truth taking away the understanding of the parable in respect to the sufferings of our bloody husband before time .,. .same glory we look back to by the same work of faith, Christ working in us.

Her son,(Gershom)

His (Gershom) feet

His (Gershom) foreskin

Moses like in all cases was like God the lawgiver using Aaron to perform the ceremonies sen with the eyes the work of circumcision . Zipporah the prophetess as a priest simply was another type of Christ our high priest continually,. . . . with Zipporah again used as a type used in the signified language of parables

Moses was not circumcised .He did not represent the Son of man as a priest ( In effect he was invisible)

Exodus 7:1-2King James VersionAnd the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.

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[Rhema]

1 Corinthians 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.

You bear false witness.
Jesus never wrote an epistle to the Corinthians. (That should be self-evident.)

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[Rhema]

Moses was not circumcised .

You are greatly mistaken.

(Genesis 17:10-11 KJV) This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.​

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[God's Truth]

You bear false witness.
Jesus never wrote an epistle to the Corinthians. (That should be self-evident.)

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You are bearing false witness all over the place on many people.

 

[God's Truth]

It would seem you are avoiding the truth taking away the understanding of the parable in respect to the sufferings of our bloody husband before time .,. .same glory we look back to by the same work of faith, Christ working in us.

Her son,(Gershom)

His (Gershom) feet

The King James Version doesn't say she cast the foreskin on Gershom's feet. It doesn't make sense that she would cast it at the baby's feet.

His (Gershom) foreskin

Moses like in all cases was like God the lawgiver using Aaron to perform the ceremonies sen with the eyes the work of circumcision . Zipporah the prophetess as a priest simply was another type of Christ our high priest continually,. . . . with Zipporah again used as a type used in the signified language of parables

Moses was not circumcised .He did not represent the Son of man as a priest ( In effect he was invisible)

You don't know that Moses was not circumcised, for he probably was, since he was three months old by the time he was put in a basket on the Nile river.
It seems you are making up too many things.

 

[Garee]

The King James Version doesn't say she cast the foreskin on Gershom's feet. It doesn't make sense that she would cast it at the baby's feet.

You don't know that Moses was not circumcised, for he probably was, since he was three months old by the time he was put in a basket on the Nile river.
It seems you are making up too many things.

It has nothing to with age. Abraham offered his baby boy Isaac to represent out bloody husband Jesus .

It makes sense in order to preach the sufferings of Christ before hand .The purpose of cerinimoinal laws.

We look back to the glory of our sufferings bloody husband . Zipporah by faith looked ahead to the same propmised glory

1 Peter 1:8-12 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.


Parables require us to search out the hidden understanding as in all ceremonial laws . Then they can make sense according his understanding .

Genesis 22:6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together

Moses probably was circumcised,? That leaves a person wondering doubting ?. Wondering is not believing or exercising the faith that comes from hearing the father

Moses was not typified as the Son of man a priest he represented the father as if not seen.

The priestess Zipporah had the honor of representing the cross and our bloody husband because of circumcision. The veil represented the foreskins of the Son of man . .When it was rent there was no Jewish King in the unseen place of our Father.

Satan fell and could no longer deceive all the nations that God was a Jewish man .he will be loosed for a short while at the end of the age to again in the same way deceive all the nations God is a Jewish man . The abomination of desolation

The plans for rebuilding the temple made with human hands is in the workings.

 

[Rhema]

You are bearing false witness all over the place on many people.

I see you have not changed. Godspeed.

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[Rhema]

It has nothing to with age.

(Genesis 17:10-12 KJV) This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

 

[God's Truth]

I see you have not changed. Godspeed.

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I don't need to change, but you do, for you go against the Apostle Paul and say he isn't a real Apostle.

 

[God's Truth]

It has nothing to with age. Abraham offered his baby boy Isaac to represent out bloody husband Jesus .

All baby's had to be circumcised.
Genesis 2:14 When his son Isaac was eight days old, Abraham circumcised him, as God commanded him.

It makes sense in order to preach the sufferings of Christ before hand .The purpose of cerinimoinal laws.

Not anything you think though.

We look back to the glory of our sufferings bloody husband . Zipporah by faith looked ahead to the same propmised glory

Zipporah new that God commanded infants to be circumcised, and that is why God was going to kill Moses.

Moses probably was circumcised,? That leaves a person wondering doubting ?. Wondering is not believing or exercising the faith that comes from hearing the father

So you are going to make it up that he wasn't?
Scriptures say the Hebrews were circumcised at 8 days old. You claiming Moses wasn't circumcised makes someone special to God not in covenant with Him. Let's reason together. What is reasonable, to say Moses wasn't circumcised, even though he was a Hebrew baby?

Moses was not typified as the Son of man a priest he represented the father as if not seen.

What?

The priestess Zipporah had the honor of representing the cross and our bloody husband because of circumcision. The veil represented the foreskins of the Son of man .

Prove it with scripture.

.When it was rent there was no Jewish King in the unseen place of our Father.

What?

Satan fell and could no longer deceive all the nations that God was a Jewish man .he will be loosed for a short while at the end of the age to again in the same way deceive all the nations God is a Jewish man . The abomination of desolation

The plans for rebuilding the temple made with human hands is in the workings.

No such thing as God wanting an earthly temple built by human hands, that is no more.

 

[Rhema]

I don't need to change, but you do, for you go against the Apostle Paul and say he isn't a real Apostle.

???

Both Paul and Barnabas were apostles.

(Acts 14:14 KJV) Which when the apostles Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,​

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[God's Truth]

???

Both Paul and Barnabas were apostles.

(Acts 14:14 KJV) Which when the apostles Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,​

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You going to pretend you didn't speak against Paul?

 

[Garee]

All baby's had to be circumcised.
Genesis 2:14 When his son Isaac was eight days old, Abraham circumcised him, as God commanded him

Both point to the sufferings of Christ before hand and the glory that did follow .the work of the bloody husband as the Son of man Jesus . The first born of God

While Zipporah is used as a priest in respect to the sufferings of Christ beforehand Abraham and Isaac in a parable represent the same gospel

Not anything you think though.

Then what?

Zipporah new that God commanded infants to be circumcised, and that is why God was going to kill Moses.

Who said kill Moses . The warning was kill Gershom the son not Moses Moses was a God to Aaron the priest . The father typified by Moses had no need to be circumsied again he represent our unseen Holy Father as part of the cerimoninil law . Zipporah is used represent a priest like Aaron

Exodus 7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet

What?

.When it was rent there was no Jewish King in the unseen place of our faithful Father. Typified by Moses the law giver. Satan fell he could no longer deceive the whole world God was a Jewish King.

 

[GodB4Us]

And now a sponsor break for the OP.

A reminder to the readers; James was taking about how the church was sharing their faith in God to provide TO the poor without leading by example to the poor for why the church's faith in God's providence was dead in the eyes of the poor that the church's faith in God's Providence will not profit the poor nor save the poor from the elements and starvation.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

So if you share your faith in God to provide with the poor, you should lead by example TO the poor by helping the poor with their immediate needs that were about to perish from the elements & starvation.

James was never talking about faith in Jesus Christ for salvation which is without works because it is by believing in Jesus Christ is why God is pleased to save those that believe.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

We now return to their program.

 

[Rhema]

Who said kill Moses .

It is obvious from a linguistic perspective that parts of this account have been lost. Pieces are missing. There is not a complete story.

It should also be obvious that circumcision was not part of the religion overseen by Jethro, priest of Midian.

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[Rhema]

A reminder to the readers; James was taking about how the church was sharing their faith in God to provide TO the poor without leading by example to the poor

Well... so much for the hymn "God will take care of you..."

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(But just how does Abraham's works and faith have anything to do with the poor? Bit of a non-sequitur there.)

 

[God's Truth]

Both point to the sufferings of Christ before hand and the glory that did follow .the work of the bloody husband as the Son of man Jesus . The first born of God

I do not see that in the scriptures. Circumcision is a physical sign of being in a covenant with God. The sign now is the Holy Spirit and a circumcised heart.

While Zipporah is used as a priest in respect to the sufferings of Christ beforehand Abraham and Isaac in a parable represent the same gospel

Of course Abraham and Isaac, but not Zipporah and her son.

Then what?

Who said kill Moses . The warning was kill Gershom the son not Moses Moses was a God to Aaron the priest . The father typified by Moses had no need to be circumsied again he represent our unseen Holy Father as part of the cerimoninil law . Zipporah is used represent a priest like Aaron

Let's try to reason together, since the scriptures aren't clear and many different teachers taught many different scenarios. 1. It is not clear if God was going to kill Moses, or his son; 2. and, the scriptures don't say which son, Gershom or Eliezer; 3.and, we don't know for sure if Zipporah cast the foreskin at Moses' feet, or her son's feet; 4. and finally, it isn't clear who she called a bloody husband, Moses or her son.

So with reasoning, my beliefs are 1. that since God was going to kill Pharaoh's son for not letting His people go so they can serve Him, it makes sense that God was going to kill Moses' firstborn son for not serving God by circumcising his son. 2. It makes sense that it was Gershom, since Gershom is Moses' first born. 3. It doesn't make sense that Zipporah cast her son's own foreskin at her son's feet, so I believe it was at Moses' feet. 4. It also doesn't make sense that Zipporah called her son a husband of any kind.

I believe since Moses was the one who was supposed to obey God and have his son circumcised, Zipporah does it instead, but proclaims that Moses is her bloody husband, since a husband and wife are as one flesh, and this clears Moses of any disobedience of not having his son circumcised.

 

[God's Truth]

And now a sponsor break for the OP.

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A reminder to the readers; James was taking about how the church was sharing their faith in God to provide TO the poor without leading by example to the poor for why the church's faith in God's providence was dead in the eyes of the poor that the church's faith in God's Providence will not profit the poor nor save the poor from the elements and starvation.

You are wrong, for the poor of this world isn't the only righteous act spoken of in James!
You are trying desperately to make your faith alone false doctrine be true by distorting James.

James 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.

Is that about the poor? No.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

So if you share your faith in God to provide with the poor, you should lead by example TO the poor by helping the poor with their immediate needs that were about to perish from the elements & starvation.

James was never talking about faith in Jesus Christ for salvation which is without works because it is by believing in Jesus Christ is why God is pleased to save those that believe.

Faith alone without any right action does not save. Apostle James says such faith is DEAD.

Many denominations call that dead faith ‘saving faith’.

It is clear, faith alone isn't the most important faith ever known; it isn't how to be saved---that kind of faith IS DEAD.

Faith that saves is alive by right action.

The only time ‘faith alone’ is mentioned in the Bible, it is to tell us what kind of faith not to have.

James 2:24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone

James 2: 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.


Was that about feeding the poor? No.


Even the demons believe and do something, they shudder.
See James 2:19.

Is that about the poor? No.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?

Is that about feeding the poor? No.



26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The preaching of the cross is preaching Jesus died for our sins. You preach we don't even have to know what are sins are.

We now return to their program.

 

[GodB4Us]

Well... so much for the hymn "God will take care of you..."

Rhema

(But just how does Abraham's works and faith have anything to do with the poor? Bit of a non-sequitur there.)

Genesis 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

That is Abraham's faith in God to provide for why James referred to him when he offered Isaac on that altar for because that is the name of the place and thus the lesson of history in the scripture.

13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

To apply it to faith in Jesus Christ for salvation when it is without works is to testify God is not able to save those who believe and that man must save himself, thus God cannot be the Saviour then, but He is because Jesus saves.

That s why discipleship is separate from salvation otherwise to apply discipleship to obtain salvation, one can never get saved, let alone the Holy Ghost at their born again of the Spirit moment of their salvation because they are still running that race as His disciple. yet we are in that race because we are saved and for why Jesus Christ is in us is how we look to Him to be able to run that race in laying aside every weight & sin daily.

 

[GodB4Us]

The preaching of the cross is preaching Jesus died for our sins. You preach we don't even have to know what are sins are.

The truth is you admitted that there were other sins you needed to repent of later on that you did not know about and that is why discipleship is separate from salvation because we need to be saved by Jesus Christ to have Jesus Christ in us by believing in Him so we can be in that race and be able to run it, looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily.

When Paul used to be known as Saul, the persecutors of Christians, and he was on his way on the road to Damascus to arrest more Christians, what had happened while on that road still being an evil ungodly murderer?

1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Do read the very account in Acts and point out where Ananias was to call Saul to repent from all sins before he could come to & believe in Jesus Christ. Ananias never challenged Saul to prove he had repented from killing Christians.

Acts 9:1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, 2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. 8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.

10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. 11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, 12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.

13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: 14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. 15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: 16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. 19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. 20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

Can you see the call to repent from all sins here?

Can you see the call to repent from any sins here? All I see is a hearty rebuke from the Lord Jesus Christ for not believing in Him and it is by the grace of God that Saul was led to believe in Him to be saved.