The good shepherd (parable analysis)

[God's Truth]

Your view fails to confess that Jesus is the Son of God. You say that He is the Father Himself, and so everything after that is error on top of error. You fail to confess Jesus is the Messiah, and that Jesus is come in the flesh. You attribitue those to the Father. And so, you fail to confess, and built on top of sand.

I don't fail at what you claim I fail at.
You don't even have a reply to most of the things I say to you.

Do you claim Jesus is God?
I know you do.
So do I then tell you that by you saying Jesus is God you deny that he is the Son?
Think.
You are claiming I am doing something wrong when I am not and you are doing the same thing.

You want to answer all those questions I gave in that one post? You want to start answering any questions I ask instead of you asking and getting answers? This is a discussion group. Try to do more than just accuse.

 

[GodB4Us]

A fourth Person? You mean since trinitarians say "God", and "Father", and "Jesus the Son", and "the Holy Spirit"?
You said it, not me.

What?
Are you trying to make this a speaking in tongues thread?

It sounds like you are trying to turn this into a speaking in tongues thread.

I don't know why I am getting publicly warned often, when I don't even tell people like you do that they are the Antichrist.

You and the tongue speakers get away with saying those things, but I who am careful am the one threatened.

When I was saved, I used to believe I could speak in tongues and interpret---so I would never ever tell someone they are not saved because they believe that.

My parents died when I was in my 20's, and they died as Catholics. I don't think they are damned to hell, even though I believe they were in a false denomination.

Condemning people is not what I am doing.

I am just trying to help us all be like minded according to the scriptures and not teachings from man.

You aren't making sense. Maybe you can try to explain better?

I do not believe the Lord is using you in ministering to me nor is He using me in ministering to you in our discussion and so we are parting ways, brother.

2 Thessalonians 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

 

[God's Truth]

@Daniel L. and @GodB4Us

I want to start showing, from the scriptures, how Jesus is the Spirit.

Are you ready to move on to that?

 

[God's Truth]

I do not believe the Lord is using you in ministering to me nor is He using me in ministering to you in our discussion and so we are parting ways, brother.

LOL
Then you have no reason at all to be on this site or any site, do you? I see most NO ONE deciding to believe as you teach, and you are NOT changing your beliefs to any of the others.

2 Thessalonians 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

This place is like the town where we live. It is like the market place, the synagogue.

If you stop posting to me, then that means you aren't posting at all anymore to anyone here.

 

[GodB4Us]

For readers that are reading this; if the Father & the Son was the same Person, how come the Son does not know the day of the rapture, but the Father does?

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

For your edification that the Father & the Son & the Holy Ghost are not the same Person for how They each count as a separate Witness in the Godhead. May God cause the increase in your knowledge of Him.

 

[Daniel L.]

So do I then tell you that by you saying Jesus is God you deny that he is the Son?

I don't claim Jesus is the Father, Jesus is the Son of the Father. You claim Jesus is the Father "as a Son" so, you are saying: the Father is the Son of the Father.
You need to confess Jesus is the Son. But so far you have only claimed that Jesus is the Father, "as a Son", and so The Father "as a Son", is the Son of the Father. Meaning the Father is the Son of Himself, complete nonsense, and not the confession you need to make. And because you fail to confess Jesus is the Son, everything after that is err.

 

[God's Truth]

For readers that are reading this;

Come on, GodB4Us, we can still discuss.

if the Father & the Son was the same Person, how come the Son does not know the day of the rapture, but the Father does?

That is because God really lowered Himself and came as a man.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

For your edification that the Father & the Son & the Holy Ghost are not the same Person for how They each count as a separate Witness in the Godhead. May God cause the increase in your knowledge of Him.

God reveals Himself as the Father, and as a Son, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[God's Truth]

I don't claim Jesus is the Father, Jesus is the Son of the Father. You claim Jesus is the Father "as a Son" so, you are saying: the Father is the Son of the Father.

You claim Jesus is God. So do I tell you that you haven't confessed that Jesus is the son of God? No, I don't tell you that, because I know you say both.
I tell you Jesus is the son of God and you keep saying I don't.

You need to confess Jesus is the Son. But so far you have only claimed that Jesus is the Father, "as a Son", and so The Father "as a Son", is the Son of the Father. Meaning the Father is the Son of Himself, complete nonsense, and not the confession you need to make. And because you fail to confess Jesus is the Son, everything after that is err.

You are a false witness.

 

[Daniel L.]

You claim Jesus is God.

My God is Triune. So, I can say Jesus is God. And Jesus is the Son of God, meaning the Son of the Father, because I allow for Three Persons, and a relationship Father-Son between Them.

I tell you Jesus is the son of God and you keep saying I don't.

The difference is that you only allow for One Person, the Father. And so, you said it yourself, you think Jesus is the Father... "as a Son". So, when you say Jesus is the Son of God, you mean The Father is the Son of Himself. You do greatly err.

In order to confess Jesus is the Son of God, you must allow for the Person of Jesus to exist. Jesus must be a Distinct Person from the Father, in order for there to be a Father-Son relationship between Them. Or else, you can only have the Father beeing the Son of Himself. And "as a Son" isn't going to change that.

 

[God's Truth]

My God is Triune. So, I can say Jesus is God. And Jesus is the Son of God, meaning the Son of the Father, because I allow for Three Persons, and a relationship Father-Son between Them.

My beliefs are three, too.
You are missing the point.
You say Jesus is God.
I could say what you say to me, and that is that when you say Jesus is God, you are denying that he is a son.

The difference is that you only allow for One Person, the Father.

I don't say they are each "Persons" as you teach. I don't say the Father is a person.
That is you not being more careful on what others say.
I told you plainly that I never heard that God the Father was called a "Person", and I asked you for scriptures that you never gave.
A person is a physical body with its own spirit within them.

And so, you said it yourself, you think Jesus is the Father... "as a Son".

When you have Jesus, you also have the Father. See 1 John 2:23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Jesus is God the Father made visible.

So, when you say Jesus is the Son of God, you mean The Father is the Son of Himself. You do greatly err.

You are twisting things to try to deflect from your beliefs.
You refuse to answer my questions and you keep saying I say things that I don't say.
Give the scriptures that say there are THREE SPIRITS.
You say the Father is a Spirit, and the Son is a DIFFERENT SPIRIT, and the Holy Spirit is yet another DIFFERENT SPIRIT.

You can't defend your beliefs with scripture, so you twist what I say. That is not the right way to be.

In order to confess Jesus is the Son of God, you must allow for the Person of Jesus to exist. Jesus must be a Distinct Person from the Father, in order for there to be a Father-Son relationship between Them. Or else, you can only have the Father beeing the Son of Himself. And "as a Son" isn't going to change that.

I have already told you but you go on and on as if you weren't told. As long as you don't use the word 'distinct' to mean different, then they are distinct, but not different.

 

[Daniel L.]

My beliefs are three, too.

Three What?

Jesus is God the Father

Once again, you need to confess Jesus is the Son of God, but when you say Jesus is the Father, you mean the Father is the Son of Himself. And thereby fail to confess what Jesus is, you say the Father is. You need to see this error.

Give the scriptures that say there are THREE SPIRITS.

For the third time, get it, because there are Three Persons, One True Triune God?

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

-Just look at the baptism of Jesus, there are Three Divine Persons there, each One doing His Own thing. And because they interact with Each Other, they are Distinct from One Another.

 

[God's Truth]

Three What?

Three ways, as a Father, and a Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Once again, you need to confess Jesus is the Son of God, but when you say Jesus is the Father, you mean the Father is the Son of Himself. And thereby fail to confess what Jesus is, you say the Father is. You need to see this error.

The Father really came as a son.

For the third time, get it, because there are Three Persons, One True Triune God?

God is a Spirit and NOT three DIFFERENT Spirits that you believe and teach.

God is not Spirits, as you say.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

-Just look at the baptism of Jesus, there are Three Divine Persons there, each One doing His Own thing. And because they interact with Each Other, they are Distinct from One Another.

The Holy Spirit can be in many people at once and also be around us. So what do you think you have disproved?

 

[Daniel L.]

The Father really came as a son.

That is not the confession. You need to confess Jesus came in the flesh.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

-You failed to confess Jesus is the Son of God. As long as you see Jesus beeing the Father, you won't be able to confess Jesus as the Son of God, neither Jesus coming in the flesh. Because you attribute those to the Father, so you confess about the Father, but fail to confess about Jesus.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Three in One, not One in One, but Three in One. That is why Jesus said,

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Right? Two in One, if they were only One in One, He wouldn't have told us this. If you assume only One Person, the Father, then you would read something like: The Father "as a Son", and The Father of Himself "as a Son" are One.

The Holy Spirit can be in many people at once and also be around us.

The thing is Jesus commended His Spirit, to the Hands of the Father. He didn't commend Himself into His Own Hands.

 

[God's Truth]

That is not the confession. You need to confess Jesus came in the flesh.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

-You failed to confess Jesus is the Son of God. As long as you see Jesus beeing the Father, you won't be able to confess Jesus as the Son of God, neither Jesus coming in the flesh. Because you attribute those to the Father, so you confess about the Father, but fail to confess about Jesus.

Three in One, not One in One, but Three in One. That is why Jesus said,

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Right? Two in One, if they were only One in One, He wouldn't have told us this. If you assume only One Person, the Father, then you would read something like: The Father "as a Son", and The Father of Himself "as a Son" are One.

The thing is Jesus commended His Spirit, to the Hands of the Father. He didn't commend Himself into His Own Hands.

You even go against Jesus eating meat in the Bible, so I am not surprised that you bear false witness against me about saying Jesus is the son of God.

 

[God's Truth]

God is a Spirit and NOT three DIFFERENT Spirits that you believe and teach.

God is not Spirits, as you say.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[Daniel L.]

You even go against Jesus eating meat in the Bible, so I am not surprised that you bear false witness against me about saying Jesus is the son of God.

This is what happens when you can't defend our view, you change the subject and accuse. You can't say Jesus is the Father and the Son at the same time. You need to decide if Jesus is the Father "as a Son", or if Jesus is the Son of God. You can't have both.

James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

-Jesus cannot be the Father, because He is not the Son of Himself, neither did He came in His Own Name, nor did he prayed to Himself, and so on..

 

[God's Truth]

This is what happens when you can't defend our view, you change the subject and accuse.

James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

That is exactly what you are doing.
God is a Spirit, not three different Spirits.

 

[Daniel L.]

God is a Spirit, not three different Spirits.

Just because you said it proves nothing, I'll have to go with Scripture. Also, until you confess Jesus is come in the flesh you have no credibility. Not the Father is come in the flesh "as a Son", but Jesus, the Son of God is come in the flesh. Not the Father "as a Son". But Jesus, the actual Son, is come in the flesh.

 

[God's Truth]

Just because you said it proves nothing, I'll have to go with Scripture. Also, until you confess Jesus is come in the flesh you have no credibility. Not the Father is come in the flesh "as a Son", but Jesus, the Son of God is come in the flesh. Not the Father "as a Son". But Jesus, the actual Son, is come in the flesh.

I am giving you scripture.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Did you read that scripture?

God is a Spirit.

No scripture anywhere says God is three SPIRITS.

 

[Daniel L.]

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

That doesn't mean He is only One Person. Jesus is also God and has His Spirit too.

Luke 23:43 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.