The Nativity

[Ivar]

I did not know an infant could break the torah from the womb but definitely news to me.

Born in Sin = Corruptible or Able to be tempted which every Son of Man is.
Christ was written to be the first and only one to overcome our inclination to sin while he was in the flesh.
He was tempted in the wilderness and overcame for example

 

[Curtis]

:smile: ok.
It would be convenient if you gather your entire premise in one post for me. please make it as simple and straightforward so i can go thru line by line
@Curtis

I made it as simple as any truly born again Christian would understand. You have not even come close to knowing or understanding God or anything he has said. Every thing you say has come from you carnal logical analytical mind which is the "enemy" of God. If you want to understand anything the scripture says then you need to be born of the Spirit of God who uses the seed of the Word of God to give a new heart. Without that you will continue to believe things that are not true.

 

[Curtis]

I did not know an infant could break the torah from the womb but definitely news to me.

Born in Sin = Corruptible or Able to be tempted which every Son of Man is.
Christ was written to be the first and only one to overcome our inclination to sin while he was in the flesh.
He was tempted in the wilderness and overcame for example

It called knowing what scripture says before making any conclusions to what you think is true. You need to be born again first!

 

[Ivar]

@Curtis
Ok Mr. Judge

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

[Ivar]

It called knowing what scripture says before making any conclusions to what you think is true. You need to be born again first!

@Curtis
so because we don't see eye to eye, i need to be born again? I see.

 

[Curtis]

@Curtis
so because we don't see eye to eye, i need to be born again? I see.

All born again Christians know and understand the virgin birth of Jesus Christ. Only a unbeliever would not believe that.

 

[Curtis]

@Curtis :smile:
Ok Mr. Judge

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

You are making no sense.

 

[Curtis]

I did not know an infant could break the torah from the womb but definitely news to me.

Age has no bearing on sin!

Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

 

[Sue D.]

@ Curtis

 

[Ivar]

All born again Christians know and understand the virgin birth of Jesus Christ. Only a unbeliever would not believe that.

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Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Age has no bearing on sin!

Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Those verses have a context. we can simply agree to disagree. no need to drag this out.

 

[Sue D.]

There Is an 'age of accountability' -- a person needs to understand right and wrong -- their own personal wrong doing and thus, their personal need for accepting Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. A baby / small child would not have the understanding Of 'sin'. Some children as young as 5 / 6 yrs. old Can understand it. but, mostly it's understood at an older age -- later elementary or junior high --right from wrong is usually understood. Kids usually learn through lying, stealing, being mean that those actions are wrong. Negative consequences. And their personal need for forgiveness from God can be explained. When kids choose to disobey their parents would be another example.

And, yes, the Romans passages help explain sin Romans 6:23 5:8 10:9-10. are other very good verses.

 

[Ivar]

@Sue D. an infant is born into a sinful nature of man but in the womb is blameless. kind of like how adam and eve were blameless but as they grow in this world and with our sinful nature they are bound to make mistake or sin at some point.

@Curtis we are capable of critical thinking and discernment. scripture is fluid and not as rigid as you seem to make it out to be.

 

[Sue D.]

@Sue D. an infant is born into a sinful nature of man but in the womb is blameless. kind of like how adam and eve were blameless but as they grow in this world and with our sinful nature they are bound to make mistake or sin at some point.

@Curtis we are capable of critical thinking and discernment. scripture is fluid and not as rigid as you seem to make it out to be.

Adam and Eve were created in innocence -- they would have continued in that 'state' IF they had obeyed God's command to Not eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That sin nature was passed on to the rest of us. The
"propensity' For sin. It Is our nature to sin rather than doing good. The Sin of a bad attitude / pride / what we're thinking about that is wrong is as bad as cheating on a test, getting drunk. People do a lot of things every day without even thinking about it, that are sins.

Bible doctrine is one 'thing' that is Not fluid and it is rigid. John 14:6 Jesus Christ is telling 'us' that "I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes unto the Father, but by Me." The virgin birth of Mary is essential for our salvation. The Holy Spirit came upon Mary and impregnated her. If it had been Joseph, Jesus would have been equal to any other Jewish baby. His death would have been like any other person's. He would not have been resurrected from the death.

some people will say that Lazarus was brought back to life as well as the little girl -- Jesus , Himself, was the One who brought Them back to life -- to show the people that it Was possible. That there was something Bigger than they were that existed. They would ask -- How can This Be?!

God's Word is the Only 'word' that is totally truthful and does Not change. Society does not like God's Word because it teaches against what 'we' want to do in life. God's Word teaches morals / ethics that some people don't want to hear / follow.

 

[Curtis]

Sin knows no age whether it is an infant, or old man, all men are sinners from birth. Thankfully, the Lord God is merciful in that he "only" holds man accountable for what he know between right, and wrong. The more he knows of what is right, the more responsible, he is held accountable to do it.
As it is written, ".....unto whom much is given, much is required..." (Luke 12:48)

 

[Ivar]

@Curtis
All men have an inclination to sin. Christ overcame that inclination and therefore was blameless or remained innocent.
An infant has that inclination to sin but is unable to sin therefore is blameless.
Sin is transgression of the law. And the law is spiritual because it is based off our intentions to Sin
If you know any laws that an infant has transgressed or has intended to transgress then feel free to state them.

 

[Ivar]

@Sue D.
ok Virgin Expert.

The prophecy of a Virgin was written in a Hebrew language not Gentile one like we are speaking.
As you should know words can potentially lose their intended meaning when translated. "lost in translation"
So:
1. What Hebrew word was used to signify the type of virgin that Mary was?
2. Define an Almah
3. Define a Bethuwlah
4. What are the differences and similarities between these two ?
5. What does each emphasize?
6. Why was Almah used instead of Bethuwlah in Isaiah 7:14?

 

[Curtis]

All men have an inclination to sin. Christ overcame that inclination and therefore was blameless or remained innocent.

Jesus never needed to over come sin as he NEVER knew sin. Your theology is not based on truth.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[Curtis]

An infant has that inclination to sin but is unable to sin therefore is blameless.

If Jesus was NOT born of a virgin, then he would not be the Son of God, he would have been the son of Joseph. The virgin birth is the very foundation of Christianity which if not believed on then Jesus's deity would not make Him God the Son. If Jesus is NOT God almighty in the flesh, born of a virgin then those who do not believe that they have the spirit of "Antichrist"

 

[Ivar]

If Jesus was NOT born of a virgin, then he would not be the Son of God, he would have been the son of Joseph. The virgin birth is the very foundation of Christianity which if not believed on then Jesus's deity would not make Him God the Son. If Jesus is NOT God almighty in the flesh, born of a virgin then those who do not believe that they have the spirit of "Antichrist"

@Curtis
I'm an Antichrist huh? That's an interesting way to shame believers of the bible. I will have you know that the immaculate conception is of this world; going back to Semiramis, just as Easter, and Christmas. You don't seem to understand that the scriptures imply and hint of Christ being the Son of God in the beginning.Before he even took on flesh. However my apologies you should not be conversing with an Antichrist. Those who do not believe in an Immaculate Conception are Antichrist? In actuality those who do not believe that Christ is The Fathers anointed who came in the flesh are antichrist or nonbelievers.

Technically Joseph is flesh so why would i not believe this

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

In actuality those that do not belive in @Curtis words or disagrees with them are Antichrist. If that is the case i understand.

 

[Ivar]

@Sue D.
ok Virgin Expert.

The prophecy of a Virgin was written in a Hebrew language not Gentile one like we are speaking.
As you should know words can potentially lose their intended meaning when translated. "lost in translation"
So:
1. What Hebrew word was used to signify the type of virgin that Mary was?
2. Define an Almah
3. Define a Bethuwlah
4. What are the differences and similarities between these two ?
5. What does each emphasize?
6. Why was Almah used instead of Bethuwlah in Isaiah 7:14?

@Curtis post #40 is also for you to then Mr. Virgin Expert