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The offer of Salvation is universal, but the application is only : "by Faith".

Brightfame52 said:
The Heirs are never condemned, they have before they are born assigned angels because they are heirs of salvation Heb 1:14
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No one is an heir until after Jesus died and gave the Holy Spirit.

For you to keep saying heirs are never condemned is just weird.


Galatians 3:26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
 
2Ti 1:9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,

Salvation was decided on for man before the world began!

2Ti 1:10 and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

The Gospel is what Jesus used to bring to light that reality (this information) to man.
 
Brightfame52 said:
Yes its a such thing. Isaac was heir before he was born, so it is with all the heirs of promise. God has already sware that they shall inherit eternal life before they are born sinners Heb 6:13-18

13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,

14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
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What are you talking about?

Abraham and Isaac and all the righteous had died long before Jesus came.

Why would you EVER think that they would not believe in Jesus and would be condemned?

There were people who were heirs TO THE PROMISE.

I am talking about after Jesus came and died and rose again and ascended to heaven and makes us heirs to the promise by our believing and obeying him.

No one who believed in Jesus when Jesus was on earth was condemned.

However, all are condemned unless they believe and obey Jesus.
 
God's Truth said:
What are you talking about?

Abraham and Isaac and all the righteous had died long before Jesus came.

Why would you EVER think that they would not believe in Jesus and would be condemned?

There were people who were heirs TO THE PROMISE.

I am talking about after Jesus came and died and rose again and ascended to heaven and makes us heirs to the promise by our believing and obeying him.

No one who believed in Jesus when Jesus was on earth was condemned.

However, all are condemned unless they believe and obey Jesus.
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The Lord God does not sit around waiting to see what everyone's choice will be whether it be, death or life. He knows what everyone's choice is before the world began.
 
Curtis said:
The Lord God does not sit around waiting to see what everyone's choice will be whether it be, death or life. He knows what everyone's choice is before the world began.
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God knows who will choose Him but He doesn't make us choose Him.
 
Curtis said:
2Ti 1:9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,

Salvation was decided on for man before the world began!

2Ti 1:10 and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

The Gospel is what Jesus used to bring to light that reality (this information) to man.
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The plan for salvation through Jesus was the plan before anything was created. That doesn't mean God makes us love and obey Him.
 
@Brightfame52

Read this, the Israelites were heirs and would be cut off if they didn't listen to Jesus.


Acts 3

17“Now, fellow Israelites, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders. 18But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer. 19Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. 23Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.’

24“Indeed, beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days. 25And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.’ 26When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”
 
God's Truth said:
The plan for salvation through Jesus was the plan before anything was created. That doesn't mean God makes us love and obey Him.
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The Lord does not make man do anything. Man has a free will choice to choose who he will serve, but the Lord already knows what choices you have and will make, and he knew this before time began.
 
Curtis said:
The Lord does not make man do anything. Man has a free will choice to choose who he will serve, but the Lord already knows what choices you have and will make, and he knew this before time began.
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It sounds like we have the same beliefs.
 
God's Truth said:
No one is an heir until after Jesus died and gave the Holy Spirit.

For you to keep saying heirs are never condemned is just weird.


Galatians 3:26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
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People were heirs with Christ before the foundation of the world. When they were in Adam they were heirs, when they were born dead in sin, they were heirs with Christ. Christ existed before He was born.
 
God's Truth said:
What are you talking about?

Abraham and Isaac and all the righteous had died long before Jesus came.

Why would you EVER think that they would not believe in Jesus and would be condemned?

There were people who were heirs TO THE PROMISE.

I am talking about after Jesus came and died and rose again and ascended to heaven and makes us heirs to the promise by our believing and obeying him.

No one who believed in Jesus when Jesus was on earth was condemned.

However, all are condemned unless they believe and obey Jesus.
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Abraham believed in Jesus and Jesus was before him Jn 8:56-58

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob were heirs of God and Joint Heirs with Christ. This they were before Christ came and died, and rose again.
 
God's Truth said:
@Brightfame52

Read this, the Israelites were heirs and would be cut off if they didn't listen to Jesus.


Acts 3

17“Now, fellow Israelites, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders. 18But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer. 19Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. 23Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.’

24“Indeed, beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days. 25And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.’ 26When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”
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The natural israelites werent heirs. of God ad Joint heirs of Christ, has nothing to do with ethnicity.
 
Brightfame52 said:
That has nothing to do with the lambs Book of Life, names cannot be blotted out of that book.
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Yes it has everything to do, and you’re denying it. If you think the OT is irrelevant, then in the gospel books, Jesus indicated multiple times that evil servants will be cast out into utter darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth. Not Pharisees, not pagan unbelievers, not atheists, not criminals, but his own servants.
 
Jonathan_Gale said:
Yes it has everything to do, and you’re denying it. If you think the OT is irrelevant, then in the gospel books, Jesus indicated multiple times that evil servants will be cast out into utter darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth. Not Pharisees, not pagan unbelievers, not atheists, not criminals, but his own servants.
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Now by chance, if That evil servant just happens to read that portion of Scripture with “The Parakletos that is Living in That particular Servant, how do you think that EVIL Child of The LIVING GOD that has been Born of GOD who “Citizenship” is in Heaven would respond?:eyes:
 
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