The offer of Salvation is universal, but the application is only : "by Faith".

[Brightfame52]

Abraham becomes our father by faith.

WE DO NOT GET FAITH SUPERNATURALLY, we get faith by believing the supernatural message and obeying Jesus.

NO ONE BECOMES AN HEIR UNTIL THEY BELIEVE AND OBEY JESUS.


Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Romans 4:16Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may rest on grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring--not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.

Galatians 3:9 So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

God gives Abraham a believing people, just like God gave Isaac to Abraham, thats why Isaac became a person of Faith. Issac was an heir prior to becoming a believer.

 

[Brightfame52]

No one is an heir before they are given the Holy Spirit
God knows who will choose Him.
You were taught wrong.
You are a Calvinist or Luther or from their ilk.

Yes they are, they are given the Holy Spirit because they are already a heir.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes they are, they are given the Holy Spirit because they are already a heir.

All are CONDEMNED until they come to get saved by believing and obeying.

Romans 11:32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

 

[God's Truth]

God gives Abraham a believing people, just like God gave Isaac to Abraham, thats why Isaac became a person of Faith. Issac was an heir prior to becoming a believer.

You say anything to defend what your false teachers taught you?

 

[Brightfame52]

gt

All are CONDEMNED until they come to get saved by believing and obeying.

Thats false teaching, the Heirs are never condemned, Christ their Surety died for them, He took their condemnation upon Himself, so they are never condemned, they are born Heirs. Now dont twist what I said, they are never born condemned by God, yet they are born sinners like all other men.

 

[Brightfame52]

You say anything to defend what your false teachers taught you?

Yes God promised Abraham a believing seed Gen 17:2-8

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

The Land of Canaan is Heaven ! Abraham looked for a Heavenly Land and his Heirs Heb 11:9-10,16

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

This is their inheritance, to Abraham and his seed. Heaven was a promise to them. Its not an offer, thats heresy !

 

[Brightfame52]

gt

Romans 11:32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Right, He will have mercy on these, not condemn them for disobedience. Lol, that scripture makes my point, but of course you dont understand it.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Yes they are.

Nope, you’re making all these stuffs up.

 

[God's Truth]

gt



Thats false teaching, the Heirs are never condemned, Christ their Surety died for them, He took their condemnation upon Himself, so they are never condemned, they are born Heirs. Now dont twist what I said, they are never born condemned by God, yet they are born sinners like all other men.

I gave you the scriptures but you don't believe them.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes God promised Abraham a believing seed Gen 17:2-8

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

The Land of Canaan is Heaven ! Abraham looked for a Heavenly Land and his Heirs Heb 11:9-10,16

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

This is their inheritance, to Abraham and his seed. Heaven was a promise to them. Its not an offer, thats heresy !

All are condemned until they come to Jesus in belief and obedience.

 

[God's Truth]

gt



Right, He will have mercy on these, not condemn them for disobedience. Lol, that scripture makes my point, but of course you dont understand it.

What? You need to think about it more.

 

[Brightfame52]

Nope, you’re making all these stuffs up.

No Im not, but it appears you are. All the Heirs have had their names inscribed in the Lambs book of life from the foundation Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The word written is in the perfect tense, it was done, completed, finished in the past and its not to be repeated. No names will be added to them. They are the appointed Heirs.

 

[Brightfame52]

I gave you the scriptures but you don't believe them.

You gave scripture, which said nothing about the Heirs being condemned.

 

[Brightfame52]

All are condemned until they come to Jesus in belief and obedience.

No scripture says the Heirs are condemned, because they arent. They are sinners, but not condemned sinners. Christ was condemned in their place. You must dont believe in the substitutinary death of Christ for sinners.

 

[Brightfame52]

What? You need to think about it more.

You need to think about it more, may God open your eyes to the Truth. God consigned them in Rom 11:32 to disobedience for the purpose of Mercy !

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

[God's Truth]

You gave scripture, which said nothing about the Heirs being condemned.

The scriptures say everyone and the whole world.

 

[God's Truth]

No scripture says the Heirs are condemned, because they arent. They are sinners, but not condemned sinners. Christ was condemned in their place. You must dont believe in the substitutinary death of Christ for sinners.

In order for a person to enter that grace, a person has to come to Jesus and confess and repent of their sins and die to the sins of the world and promise to live obeying him.

 

[Brightfame52]

The scriptures say everyone and the whole world.

You havent provided a scripture that says the Heirs are condemned. Everyone isnt condemned.

 

[Brightfame52]

In order for a person to enter that grace, a person has to come to Jesus and confess and repent of their sins and die to the sins of the world and promise to live obeying him.

Nah, thats way off. People are born heirs of promise. This was established by God before the world began, before the heirs existed.

 

[God's Truth]

You havent provided a scripture that says the Heirs are condemned. Everyone isnt condemned.

Heirs are condemned! Everyone is condemned until they become an heir by believing and obeying Jesus.