The passage is in 1 thessalonians 4: 16 - 18 "For the Lord, Himself, will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel and with the sound of the trumpet of God . And the dead in Christ will rise first........" And That is not part of the series of trumpets that will be sounding in Revelation. :smile:
Yup! The Last Trumpet. Full context is important:
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
The Coming of the Lord
13 But we do not want you to be( uninformed), brothers and sisters, about those who have died,so that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have died. 15 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, (who are left until the coming of the Lord), will by no means precede those who have (died.) 16 For the Lord himself, with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call and with the sound of (God’s trumpet,) will descend from heaven, and the (dead in Christ will rise first). 17 (Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air; and so we will be with the Lord forever). 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
I believe in the snatching up (rapture) . However , I believe it is when scripture clearly says it is, at the The Last Trumpet which sounds at THE END OF THE TRIBULATION.
Where, O Death, is Your Victory? 1 Corinthians 15:51-53
…51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye,( at the last trumpet). For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.…
Revelation 11:15-19
The Seventh Trumpet
15 Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign for ever and ever.” 16 And the twenty-four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying,
“We give thanks to thee, Lord God Almighty, who art and who wast,
that thou hast taken thy great power and begun to reign.
18 The nations raged, but thy wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
for rewarding thy servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear thy name, both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”
Some may say that the "Rapture" discussion is Not a matter of salvation. But it is. Why? Well in scripture there is another snatching up that Christ reveals , its end is VERY bad! So, this FALSE narrative you cling to which clearly denies the OBVIOUS truth of the Word of God will cause people to live a lie and No lie is part of Christ's Elect Bride. For the Elect bride will not suffer the FALSE Rapture. I say false , because it will be said it was the rapture.
Some Protestant sects cling to Matthew 24 when they want to support their Rapture theory. Let's take a look at it and then go to Luke .
Matthew 24:40-44
40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
This is a Matthew account of what some call the 'Blessed Rapture". Luke also has an account. However, in the Luke account it gives the answer that is NOT recorded in Matthew , as to the "Where " these are taken-Christ gives an answer when the then disciples ask "where Lord, where are they taken".
Luke 17:26-37
26Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28It was the same in the days of Lot: People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But on the day Lot left Sodom, fire and brimstone rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
30It will be just like that on the day the Son of Man is (revealed) THIS REVEALING IS NOT THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST > IT IS THE SIXTH SEAL AND WRATH OF THE LAMB , BETTER KNOWN AS THE THREE DAYS OF DARKNESS. 31On that day, let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve his possessions. Likewise, let no one in the field return for anything he has left behind. 32Remember( Lot’s wife! )33Whoever tries to save his life will( lose it), but whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed: One will be taken and the other left. 35Two women will be grinding grain together: One will be taken and the other left.”
37“Where, Lord?” they asked.
Jesus answered, “Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.”
During the DAY the Son of Man is Revealed, it will be like the days of Noah and Sodom . The Revealing is NOT the return of Christ but just that- a revealing. This is a terrible apparition and has to do with the sixth seal, Rev.6:
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and HIDE US from the FACE of HIM that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: ( This is the retribution of the Lamb, not the return of the Lion of Judah.)
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
So, now looking at Matthew 24 and all of the Luke passages , it is clear it is the same event, but Luke's account has a, PLOT TWIST! Those taken are not being snatched up to heaven in a transformed body with soul.
Luke:
35Two women will be grinding grain together: One will be taken and the other left.”
37“Where, Lord?” they asked.
Jesus answered, “Wherever there is a( carcass,) there the (vultures) will gather.” It is clear they are taken to a place where their carcasses are cased, does this sound like the snatching up (rapture)?
It is clear this is NOT a welcomed Blessing. Those who are LEFT BEHIND are not taken- but are better off than those taken . This is the Three Days of Darkness foretold by many seers in the Body of Christ.
Isaiah 26:20-21 (NKJV)
Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, Until the (indignation) is past. 21 For behold, (the LORD comes out of His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; The earth will also disclose her blood, And will no more cover her slain.)
Isaiah 60: 1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
The Rev. 12 season is upon us.
Luke 17:
31On that day, let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve his possessions. Likewise, let no one in the field return for anything he has left behind. 32Remember Lot’s wife! 33Whoever tries to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will preserve it.
(Those with HIS light will be covered. Fear not those who love and live IN HIS TRUTH, for HE is with you. Seek HIM now, on your hands and knees! Repent now!)
Those who are sealed before this event will be covered FOR SURE. Those who are caught out and are not covered and sealed by that day BUT, call on the name of the Lord where they are, will die but will preserve their lives. Those who try to run and save their lives and not fall to their knees will NOT be preserved, SAVED!
The sanctuary is within: Luke 17: 33Whoever tries to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will preserve it.
Those who recognize the sign before the event will experience an interior location they will know to lock themselves in their houses closing all shades and curtains and NOT OPENING THEIR DOORS NO MATTER WHAT OR WHO MAY BE KNOCKING. Luke 17: 32Remember Lot’s wife! DO NOT LOOK AT THE RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION OF GOD!!!
After this event: Isaiah :26
3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
We who are to be preserved and know to go within the TEMPLE NOW, and have received the SEAL OF THE FATHER UPON US, The ELECT ,FOR SURE WILL SURVIVE WHAT IS COMING.
Matthew 10:
27What I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the housetops.
GOD IS GOING TO BRING THE DRY BONES BACK TO LIFE. Ezekiel has a prophesy and it is NOT ABOUT THE RESURRECTION but a rebirth and a bringing back to life the faith for MANY!
Ezekiel 37:1-14
The Valley of Dry Bones
37 The hand of the Lord was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley; it was full of bones. 2 And he led me round among them; and behold, there were very many upon the valley; and lo, they were very dry. 3 And he said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” And I answered, “O Lord God, thou knowest.” 4 Again he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. 5 Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath[d] to enter you, and you shall live. 6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”
WHEN THE WITNESSES BEGIN THEIR TIME OF PROPHECY the house of Israel will be sealed, that is why God say to Ezekiel :4 Again he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. 5 Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live (This proves it is NOT the resurrection because it is prophecy which brings them back to LIFE! The Witnesses the TWO prophets of God will seal those whoa are to be out of the 12 tribes of Israel before the sixth seal. "I will cause breath to enter you"= John 20:22 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. They will recieve the Holy Spirit during the Witnesses time of prophecy which is soon upon us. They come on the scene after the First Trumpet sounds. they have NOT BEGUN TO SOUND YET, but we are up the fifth seal already (I will explain in another post.)
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold, a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to its bone. 8 And as I looked, there were sinews on them, and flesh had come upon them, and skin had covered them; but there was no breath in them. 9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, Thus says the Lord God: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.” 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great host.
11 Then he said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. Behold, they say, ‘Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are clean cut off.’ 12 Therefore prophesy, and say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will open your graves, and raise you from your graves, O my people; and I will bring you home into the land of Israel. 13 And you shall know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves, and raise you from your graves, O my people. 14 And I will put my Spirit within you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land; then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken, and I have done it, says the Lord.”
AFTER the Witnesses time of prophecy the dry bones come alive , then the sixth seal!
It is the fullness of all the Elect , there are already some early risers the maidservants of WISDOM.
The way our temple is secured is by PROCLAIMING THE TRUTH WE KNOW TO ALL. SHOUT!!! SHOUT AT THE DEVIL!
When all who are not Nephilim, come forth they will be on fire with the HOLY SPIRIT , This is the attaining of Daniel I have spoken of repeatedly surviving the Three Days of darkness. those with the mark of the Baest will have taken refuge in the clefts and mountain and under the mountains. The final battle battle will come after all the dust settles and at a time determined by God. The sixth seal will bring a pause to the tribulation events (I will explain in another post too much for one).
He is setting the Elects feet on a path of PERFECTION : "be thou perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect".
