The Rapture

[Sue D.]

Well -- John 14:1-3 -- referring to the rapture of All born-again believers. He is telling the disciples that He Will be coming back to get them. And that will be the 2nd time, actually. The 1st time He came was as a baby.
So then He comes in the air only to catch 'us' up. 1 Thessalonians 4: 16 - 18
And Then He comes to earth for the 1,000 yrs. His second actual coming to earth. Zechariah 14:4 & 5.
And Lastly He comes / God comes down from heaven with the New Jerusalem. And That will be eternity for believers. Revelation 21: 1 - 6 That's a beautiful passage.

 

[norapture]

Well -- John 14:1-3 -- referring to the rapture of All born-again believers. He is telling the disciples that He Will be coming back to get them. And that will be the 2nd time, actually. The 1st time He came was as a baby.
So then He comes in the air only to catch 'us' up. 1 Thessalonians 4: 16 - 18
And Then He comes to earth for the 1,000 yrs. His second actual coming to earth. Zechariah 14:4 & 5.
And Lastly He comes / God comes down from heaven with the New Jerusalem. And That will be eternity for believers. Revelation 21: 1 - 6 That's a beautiful passage.

@ Sue so what you are saying 1st coming born as a baby 2nd coming the rapture, 3rd coming sets his feet on earth,

 

[Sue D.]

@norapture -- yes, that's what I'm saying cause that's in Scripture. Now - granted -- there are those who do not accept the birth of Jesus as their promised Messiah. Those people wanted Jesus Christ to come as a reigning King on His horse. So - for Those people His coming for the 1,000 yr reign will be His 1st coming.

 

[norapture]

@norapture -- yes, that's what I'm saying cause that's in Scripture. Now - granted -- there are those who do not accept the birth of Jesus as their promised Messiah. Those people wanted Jesus Christ to come as a reigning King on His horse. So - for Those people His coming for the 1,000 yr reign will be His 1st coming.

@Sue can you post the scriptures that says he is coming back 2 more times, I know he has come once, but do not believe Jesus said he would come back two more times ,

 

[Sue D.]

@norapture --- 1 Thessalonians 4: 15 - 18 tells about the rapture -- but that will be in the air -- instantaneous in nature.

The 2nd actual bodily return to this earth will be the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ talked about in Rev. 20

After That will be the final time when God brings down to the New earth -- the New Jerusalem. That will be for eternity.

 

[Sue D.]

Since I've no idea who is Jewish, I'm including His birth in the manger for those who are still anticipating His 1st coming.

 

[norapture]

@norapture --- 1 Thessalonians 4: 15 - 18 tells about the rapture -- but that will be in the air -- instantaneous in nature.

The 2nd actual bodily return to this earth will be the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ talked about in Rev. 20

After That will be the final time when God brings down to the New earth -- the New Jerusalem. That will be for eternity.

@ Sue what you say is the rapture, and his actual bodily return is the same event , it is the coming of the Lord , coming of the son of man , when the Lord will appear .

Question, do you believe he will be seen at what you call the rapture, and if so who all will see him ?

Question, is the rapture the resurrection? or is his bodily return ?
Maybe you believe there will be 2 resurrection of the saints.

Question, is the rapture the Harvest of the earth, or is it at his bodily return?

Question, is the rapture the Last trumpet, or is his bodily return the Last trumpet?

Question, is it at the rapture when he will bring the saints that sleep with him, or is his bodily return he will bring the saints that have died?

Question, will it be like the days of Noah at the rapture, or at his bodily return?

Question, why didn't Jesus say he would come back before the tribulation, and after the tribulation?

Question, is there a reason that when Jesus return after tribulation, and we are caught to meet him in the air, that he could not come on to the earth with all his saints?

Question, why don't he just rapture the saints all the way to heaven , instead of meeting us in the air?

Question, Paul says that we ALL will be changed in a twinkle of a eye at the last Trump, how can some saints be changed at a rapture, then 7 years later those saints that got kill by the beast be changed when he sounds the last trump?

I apologize for all the questions, thank you for your patience.

 

[norapture]

No...The rapture is not the coming of the Lord...Its the going of the bride. Good grief!

@Bendito I agree the rapture is not the coming of the Lord , it is only something that happens at his coming.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the COMING of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

See Paul plainly says what this event is, then he goes on to say we will be caught up at the coming of the Lord.

 

[Sue D.]

@ Sue what you say is the rapture, and his actual bodily return is the same event , it is the coming of the Lord , coming of the son of man , when the Lord will appear .

Question, do you believe he will be seen at what you call the rapture, and if so who all will see him ?

Question, is the rapture the resurrection? or is his bodily return ?
Maybe you believe there will be 2 resurrection of the saints.

Question, is the rapture the Harvest of the earth, or is it at his bodily return?

Question, is the rapture the Last trumpet, or is his bodily return the Last trumpet?

Question, is it at the rapture when he will bring the saints that sleep with him, or is his bodily return he will bring the saints that have died?

Question, will it be like the days of Noah at the rapture, or at his bodily return?

Question, why didn't Jesus say he would come back before the tribulation, and after the tribulation?

Question, is there a reason that when Jesus return after tribulation, and we are caught to meet him in the air, that he could not come on to the earth with all his saints?

Question, why don't he just rapture the saints all the way to heaven , instead of meeting us in the air?

Question, Paul says that we ALL will be changed in a twinkle of a eye at the last Trump, how can some saints be changed at a rapture, then 7 years later those saints that got kill by the beast be changed when he sounds the last trump?

I apologize for all the questions, thank you for your patience.

Yes, you Do have a lot of questions -- but, that's the way we learn.

The rapture -- Jesus Christ will meet us in the air -- 1 Thessalonians 4 talks about that. vs 14 through the end of the chapter.

Will He be seen at the time of the rapture? Well -- all born-again believers will be immediately 'gone' and up with Him. Won't be a secret event. 'We' probably will see Him -- we'll be With Him.

Those who have died Will be resurrected first -- according to Scripture -- then those who are alive will be taken up.

Your question about the Harvest of the earth -- if you're comparing the rapture with harvesting of a crop. The farmer harvests his crop of veggies or whatever and leaves the rest of the stubble, weeds, whatever in the ground to be plowed under for the next crop. The rapture of the Church Could be compared to a harvest time. Jesus Christ takes up / raptures up/ born-again believers out of this messed up world. So -- 'we' Would be harvested up and out of 'here' to be with Jesus Christ in the air.

There Will be a sound, like unto a trumpet sound. That is different from the 7 trumpets in book of Revelations.

That one question -- those are two different events your referring to. the second event will be His 2nd bodily return to the earth for the 1,000 years. The very 1st time He came to earth was at His birth in the manger.

Scripture points to the rapture taking place Before the 7 yrs. of tribulation. Because in heaven -- where the Church will be taken -- there will be the Marriage Super of the Lamb. There's really no reason For born-again believers To be here during any of the 7 yrs. -- it's to turn His wrath on those who Haven't accepted Him.

And Then Jesus Christ Will come back To earth to reign bodily for 1,000 and His saints will come with Him to reign With Him.

During the 7 yrs of tribulation , there Will be lots of people accepting Jesus Christ as personal savior -- but not those who've already had a chance and rejected Him. Those 7 years are for the unrepentant Jews. The last 3 1/2 yrs are called the Great Tribulation.

As for 'in the days of Noah' -- the people were exceedingly wicked. And we see conditions in this world getting there very quickly. Well -- especially with ISIS and all. UnGodliness is spreading very quickly.

When the rapture Does take place -- He will meet us half-way and take us clear up into heaven with Him.

 

[Bendito]

@Bendito I agree the rapture is not the coming of the Lord , it is only something that happens at his coming.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the COMING of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

See Paul plainly says what this event is, then he goes on to say we will be caught up at the coming of the Lord.

1 Thes 4 speaks of the catching up of the bride, the bride does not go through the tribulation...
The gathering at the second coming is not a catching up to meet Him in the air, but an ingathering of believers still on the Earth, believers that have been through the tribulation period...

:shades: Because I'm such a nice guy, I'll say it again....The rapture and the second coming are two separate events....The catching up and the ingathering of believers are two separate and different events.

 

[Darla 68]

Matthew 24:22
"If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

sure sounds like the elect are going to go through some wrath to me in this verse above[/QUOTE

Matthew 24:22 has to do with Israel coming close to extinction. The time will be cut short by the second coming of Christ.

 

[Sue D.]

Well -- there Are lots of people in middle-eastern countries going through a Lot of persecution Now. And there's Always been persecution to some extent or another. Even back in Nero's day.

And the U.S. is experiencing a lot of more severe natural weather than in previous years. What with the wide-spread fires and flooding, etc. And presently in Nebraska. Maybe God is Trying to get people's attention through these natural events.

But God's Coming wrath is described in Revelation. The book Of.

 

[Bendito]

Yes, some of the elect will go through the tribulaton, Those who are caught up are the bride, who has made herself ready....The rest are not caught up, and go through tribulation. The nice thing is....We get to choose if we are part of the bride or just one of the guests.....

 

[Sue D.]

Bendito -- The Church -- all born-again believers will be taken up in the rapture. The previously dead as well as the living -- the Church / Bride of Christ/ will all be taken up in the rapture.

There Will be a lot saved After that. But Those won't have been left behind.

 

[Bendito]

Bendito -- The Church -- all born-again believers will be taken up in the rapture. The previously dead as well as the living -- the Church / Bride of Christ/ will all be taken up in the rapture.

There Will be a lot saved After that. But Those won't have been left behind.

Dear friend.....I'vemade my statement a few times now, and you say otherwise but so far you have not honored my request to you for scriptures to back up your assertion....
Matthew 25:1-13 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

25 `Then shall the reign of the heavens be likened to ten virgins, who, having taken their lamps, went forth to meet the bridegroom;

2 and five of them were prudent, and five foolish;

3 they who were foolish having taken their lamps, did not take with themselves oil;

4 and the prudent took oil in their vessels, with their lamps.

5 `And the bridegroom tarrying, they all nodded and were sleeping,

6 and in the middle of the night a cry was made, Lo, the bridegroom doth come; go ye forth to meet him.

7 `Then rose all those virgins, and trimmed their lamps,

8 and the foolish said to the prudent, Give us of your oil, because our lamps are going out;

9 and the prudent answered, saying -- Lest there may not be sufficient for us and you, go ye rather unto those selling, and buy for yourselves.

10 `And while they are going away to buy, the bridegroom came, and those ready went in with him to the marriage-feasts, and the door was shut;

11 and afterwards come also do the rest of the virgins, saying, Sir, sir, open to us;

12 and he answering said, Verily I say to you, I have not known you.

13 `Watch therefore, for ye have not known the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man doth come.
Which ones went in? Yup...the ones who had made themselves ready... the others were not a part of that wedding party.....Neither are those 'Christians' who do not prepare themselves.

 

[norapture]

1 Thes 4 speaks of the catching up of the bride, the bride does not go through the tribulation...
The gathering at the second coming is not a catching up to meet Him in the air, but an ingathering of believers still on the Earth, believers that have been through the tribulation period...

:shades: Because I'm such a nice guy, I'll say it again....The rapture and the second coming are two separate events....The catching up and the ingathering of believers are two separate and different events.

@ Bendito It does not say bride , it says we that are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord , shall not prevent them which are asleep, but will be caught up with them ,

You say ingathering at second coming, according to what you say that would be the third time , because you say he is coming back before tribulation, then coming back at the end of the tribulation , and he has already came once, let's count
1= born as a baby ,
2= a rapture, before tribulation
3= coming of the Lord , after tribulation
Come on now a first grader , can count this , why say seconding coming when plainly you mean 3rd coming,

 

[Darla 68]

@ Bendito It does not say bride , it says we that are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord , shall not prevent them which are asleep, but will be caught up with them ,

You say ingathering at second coming, according to what you say that would be the third time , because you say he is coming back before tribulation, then coming back at the end of the tribulation , and he has already came once, let's count
1= born as a baby ,
2= a rapture, before tribulation
3= coming of the Lord , after tribulation
Come on now a first grader , can count this , why say seconding coming when plainly you mean 3rd coming,[/QUOTE.

When Christ comes at the rapture He does not come to earth. The truly born again people will rise up to meet Him in the air. We will return to earth with Him for the battle of Armegeddon.

 

[Bendito]

@ Bendito It does not say bride , it says we that are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord , shall not prevent them which are asleep, but will be caught up with them ,

You say ingathering at second coming, according to what you say that would be the third time , because you say he is coming back before tribulation, then coming back at the end of the tribulation , and he has already came once, let's count
1= born as a baby ,
2= a rapture, before tribulation
3= coming of the Lord , after tribulation
Come on now a first grader , can count this , why say seconding coming when plainly you mean 3rd coming,

LOL Miscount? Look...
First coming Jesus was ON the Earth, when He was born until He ascended into heaven.
Rapture....Jesus is NOT on Earth....Not a return.
Second Coming....Jesus is On the Earth again.....
I count 1...2 comings
Even a second grader can count this...Jesus comes to Earth, ON Earth, TWO times...

 

[Bendito]

I think Darla is having a problem posting?

 

[norapture]

LOL Miscount? Look...
First coming Jesus was ON the Earth, when He was born until He ascended into heaven.
Rapture....Jesus is NOT on Earth....Not a return.
Second Coming....Jesus is On the Earth again.....
I count 1...2 comings
Even a second grader can count this...Jesus comes to Earth, ON Earth, TWO times...

@ Bendito can you read
1 Thessalonians 4:15 , and truly say this is not the coming of the Lord, come on now, the truth will make you free, here it it read it and tell me this is not the coming of the
Lord
1 Thessalonians 4: 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the COMING of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Clear as a bell this is the coming of the Lord, do you deny this is the coming of the Lord?