The Rapture

[norapture]

I honestly cant answer the question. Im not dodging your question.

I have an understanding of scripture up till the time of my death. Beyond that, i could only guess.

Please explain if you don't mine what you mean by time of my death

 

[Sue D.]

Just a question,,, do you think these are the same as Revelations 14 is talking about or a different 144 thousand?

There's only one group of 144,000 that are 12,000 from every tribe of the Children of Israel.

In response to post #537 -- the 144,000 are 12,000 from every tribe of the Children of Israel. And 'they' are the 12 sons of Jacob from the Old Testament.

 

[Bill]

Please explain if you don't mine what you mean by time of my death

I talk with the Lord all the time. Even in my sleep. (I dont remember the sleep convos, but my wife and mom will both attest to hearing a one sided conversation. Lol)

Im very involved on a spiritual level that is hard to explain to even those who are strong in a spiritual level.

With all of this, i have a clear understanding of many things up to the time of my death. After which my vision fails me.

I hope this will explain it clearer for you. If it helps, my last vision is seeing the Two Witnesses standing back up after lying dead in the streets for 3 days.

 

[Sue D.]

Bill -- you have commented that you 'talk with the Lord all the time' / that would be praying. Which we Should be doing. Talking to God in prayer. Even in your sleep?! In other words you mumble in your sleep. A lot of people do that / talk in their sleep.

And you have visions. And there Are people who can 'see things that happen either as they are happening or after the fact' They are called psychics. And I'm being serious when I say that.
The police have been known to use them when they're trying to find lost kids or people. Many times they Are scoffed at, though.

Your last comment -- about the Two Witnesses -- that is talked about briefly in book of Revelation.

a psychic Wouldn't be able to 'see' anything past their death. Because upon death, the person is in eternity.

Also, in Scripture - in the last days -- there's something about old men having visions. Maybe that's so that as they Are getting really older - God will allow them to 'see' heaven which would assure them that they are Almost at their future eternal home.

I used to dream a lot -- very vivid dreams. Not so much Now days. I'd dream about books I'd read or TV programs. And, once in a while, I'd dream a combination of Several books , TV programs and it would be more like a nightmere.

 

[Bill]

Bill -- you have commented that you 'talk with the Lord all the time' / that would be praying. Which we Should be doing. Talking to God in prayer. Even in your sleep?! In other words you mumble in your sleep. A lot of people do that / talk in their sleep.

And you have visions. And there Are people who can 'see things that happen either as they are happening or after the fact' They are called psychics. And I'm being serious when I say that.
The police have been known to use them when they're trying to find lost kids or people. Many times they Are scoffed at, though.

Your last comment -- about the Two Witnesses -- that is talked about briefly in book of Revelation.

a psychic Wouldn't be able to 'see' anything past their death. Because upon death, the person is in eternity.

Also, in Scripture - in the last days -- there's something about old men having visions. Maybe that's so that as they Are getting really older - God will allow them to 'see' heaven which would assure them that they are Almost at their future eternal home.

I used to dream a lot -- very vivid dreams. Not so much Now days. I'd dream about books I'd read or TV programs. And, once in a while, I'd dream a combination of Several books , TV programs and it would be more like a nightmere.

Sue, all that i have comes from God. Prayer is communicating with God. And i talk with Him all the time. The conversations i have while asleep are as clear as me talking with you. (Both my wife and mom talk about it. They can only hear my side of the coversation.)

To date, every prophecy God has given me has happened. And the ones to come will as well. I see in my mind the prophecy like a video..

I have never understood why Christians so often try to rationalize God. What He can do, or how can He do it. Or even God working though others.

For myself, when i see Gods hand involved, i just have to marvel at it.

There is really no point for me to sit here and keep trying to justify how God works, or my relationship with God. You will either just have to accept it or reject it. Plain and simple

 

[Sue D.]

Okay -- so what prophesies that God has given to you have taken place?! Just curious.

 

[Bill]

Okay -- so what prophesies that God has given to you have taken place?! Just curious.

What is the point of this question, if i may ask. Whose faith will it uplift.

Ive shared this one here, but no one listens. God told me He was putting His man in as Presedent, Donald Trump. This was before the primaries ever started. I didnt queston what the Lord told me. As the primaries took place, i asked the Lord about that Christian guy who was running. The Lord told me, "I have rejected him".

While the Presidential vote was happening, and in the beginning it looked like Hilary all the way, An Angel was sent to Donald Trump telling him not to worry, but have faith. Immediately after the votes went the other way and he won.

 

[Sue D.]

Bill -- a prophet is some one who God uses to predict an event in the coming history and it does come to pass.

Fulfilled prophesy in the Bible. An event is prophesied to happen in the Old Testament and is fulfilled in the New Testament.
The virgin birth of Jesus Christ is a good example. Prophesied in Isaiah and fulfilled in Matthew 1. There's LOTS of other examples.

And how do you know that an angel was sent to Donald Trump.

I DO know that No one expected Mr. Trump to get in. And a lot of people voted for him to keep Clinton Out.

When a person refers to himself as a prophet -- there's going to be some skepticism. A Lot of it. There aren't very many self-proclaimed prophets these days. That's all.

A lot of people - including Hilary Clinton, herself, Assumed she'd get in. We're very thankful that she Didn't get in.

The more that President Trump works to fulfill his campaign promises --the more fire he stirs up.

 

[Dave M]

What is the point of this question, if i may ask. Whose faith will it uplift.

Ive shared this one here, but no one listens. God told me He was putting His man in as Presedent, Donald Trump. This was before the primaries ever started. I didnt queston what the Lord told me. As the primaries took place, i asked the Lord about that Christian guy who was running. The Lord told me, "I have rejected him".

While the Presidential vote was happening, and in the beginning it looked like Hilary all the way, An Angel was sent to Donald Trump telling him not to worry, but have faith. Immediately after the votes went the other way and he won.

hey Bill When God speaks to you is this a audible voice?

 

[Bill]

hey Bill When God speaks to you is this a audible voice?

Sometimes it is like me talking with you. But for the most part, His voice comes from my heart.

I know the difference when the voice is the Father or Jesus. Ive even heard the Trinity speak a couple of times. There is a distinct difference between them. The Holy Spirit never speaks, but i know when the Spirit moves in me.

 

[Bill]

Bill -- a prophet is some one who God uses to predict an event in the coming history and it does come to pass.

Fulfilled prophesy in the Bible. An event is prophesied to happen in the Old Testament and is fulfilled in the New Testament.
The virgin birth of Jesus Christ is a good example. Prophesied in Isaiah and fulfilled in Matthew 1. There's LOTS of other examples.

And how do you know that an angel was sent to Donald Trump.

I DO know that No one expected Mr. Trump to get in. And a lot of people voted for him to keep Clinton Out.

When a person refers to himself as a prophet -- there's going to be some skepticism. A Lot of it. There aren't very many self-proclaimed prophets these days. That's all.

A lot of people - including Hilary Clinton, herself, Assumed she'd get in. We're very thankful that she Didn't get in.

The more that President Trump works to fulfill his campaign promises --the more fire he stirs up.

Ive never claimed to be a prophet. But i did tell you what God called me, His Apostle

 

[Bill]

Bill -- a prophet is some one who God uses to predict an event in the coming history and it does come to pass.

Fulfilled prophesy in the Bible. An event is prophesied to happen in the Old Testament and is fulfilled in the New Testament.
The virgin birth of Jesus Christ is a good example. Prophesied in Isaiah and fulfilled in Matthew 1. There's LOTS of other examples.

And how do you know that an angel was sent to Donald Trump.

I DO know that No one expected Mr. Trump to get in. And a lot of people voted for him to keep Clinton Out.

When a person refers to himself as a prophet -- there's going to be some skepticism. A Lot of it. There aren't very many self-proclaimed prophets these days. That's all.

A lot of people - including Hilary Clinton, herself, Assumed she'd get in. We're very thankful that she Didn't get in.

The more that President Trump works to fulfill his campaign promises --the more fire he stirs up.

Christians in general dont want to hear real prophecies, because those prophecies go against the grain of modern thinking.

Just look at my stance on the Rapture as an example. Yes there will be a rapture, but not untill the Two Witnesses have finished.

When the Christians realize that the teaching of pretrib rapture is false, many , and im talking hard core Christians, will turn thier backs to Christianity. They will follow the One World Church movement

 

[Bill]

Sue. Your question about how i know an Angel was sent to Donald Trump will only open a can of worms.

But i will be honest. I know because the Lord sent me too.
I spoke to Mr. Trump the message the Lord gave us. I was there with two Angels.

I went in spirit, but he saw me like anyone else

 

[Bill]

Bill -- a prophet is some one who God uses to predict an event in the coming history and it does come to pass.

Fulfilled prophesy in the Bible. An event is prophesied to happen in the Old Testament and is fulfilled in the New Testament.
The virgin birth of Jesus Christ is a good example. Prophesied in Isaiah and fulfilled in Matthew 1. There's LOTS of other examples.

And how do you know that an angel was sent to Donald Trump.

I DO know that No one expected Mr. Trump to get in. And a lot of people voted for him to keep Clinton Out.

When a person refers to himself as a prophet -- there's going to be some skepticism. A Lot of it. There aren't very many self-proclaimed prophets these days. That's all.

A lot of people - including Hilary Clinton, herself, Assumed she'd get in. We're very thankful that she Didn't get in.

The more that President Trump works to fulfill his campaign promises --the more fire he stirs up.

A prophet is one who does the will of God. He does much more than prophecy.

 

[Bill]

One more note. Phycics (i think that is how you spell the word) those ppl words can not be trusted. You must use strong discernment to weed out these. They are not in the Lord.

Remember, Satan will use 90% truth and 10% lie to deceive you. This is why knowing God's peace in your heart is so important.

 

[Sue D.]

Sue. Your question about how i know an Angel was sent to Donald Trump will only open a can of worms.

But i will be honest. I know because the Lord sent me too.
I spoke to Mr. Trump the message the Lord gave us. I was there with two Angels.

I went in spirit, but he saw me like anyone else

And Now I'm a bit concerned about you.

In the book of Revelation --John is sent 'in the sprit' -- chapter 1: 9-11 for context. vs 10 & 11.

So, you're suggesting that you had a similar experience as John did. And you're saying that 'it happened to John - it can happen to you, too.' Correct?!

Well --honestly -- I can't argue with that. I can only wonder -- if --in This day and age --that Could happen. Apparently it Did. hmmmm

 

[Bill]

And Now I'm a bit concerned about you.

In the book of Revelation --John is sent 'in the sprit' -- chapter 1: 9-11 for context. vs 10 & 11.

So, you're suggesting that you had a similar experience as John did. And you're saying that 'it happened to John - it can happen to you, too.' Correct?!

Well --honestly -- I can't argue with that. I can only wonder -- if --in This day and age --that Could happen. Apparently it Did. hmmmm

Has God ever changed? Do the Gifts of the Holy Spirit fade away. Im also curious , how is ones faith ever to grow if nothing is valid anymore

I have had many experiences, walking in spirit.

 

[norapture]

There's only one group of 144,000 that are 12,000 from every tribe of the Children of Israel.

In response to post #537 -- the 144,000 are 12,000 from every tribe of the Children of Israel. And 'they' are the 12 sons of Jacob from the Old Testament.

Sue i would agree the 144 thousand in chapter 7 are the same ones in chapter 14. , is that what you are saying ?

 

[norapture]

I talk with the Lord all the time. Even in my sleep. (I dont remember the sleep convos, but my wife and mom will both attest to hearing a one sided conversation. Lol)

Im very involved on a spiritual level that is hard to explain to even those who are strong in a spiritual level.

With all of this, i have a clear understanding of many things up to the time of my death. After which my vision fails me.

I hope this will explain it clearer for you. If it helps, my last vision is seeing the Two Witnesses standing back up after lying dead in the streets for 3 days.

Bill what you see should not be limited by your death if God is the one showing you ,
cause what you say about the 144 thousand not being fleshy Jews contradicts the scriptures, it plainly tells how many from each tribe ,

 

[B-A-C]

In response to post #537 -- the 144,000 are 12,000 from every tribe of the Children of Israel. And 'they' are the 12 sons of Jacob from the Old Testament.

Actually they aren't. The tribe of Dan is out. Manasseh and Ephraim are the sons of Joseph.