The Trinity

[Samson2020]

It must be because the Trinitarians claim to be Christians and the others do not, therefore; it is the elect that are targeted to stumble. Satan already has
the masses under the other religions.

To add to this are we not to exhort one another as we see the day approaching? Why would I exhort one that is not an elect? They never knew or had opportunity
to stumble in the race for they never started.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt on my 1st question to you that you came the closest to answering when you said "And in all honesty I'm not concerned at all as it's all in the Fathers hands anyway." Even when you said "It must be because the Trinitarians claim to be Christians and the others do not, therefore; it is the elect that are targeted to stumble. Satan already has the masses under the other religions." Which in truth did nothing to answer what I had asked you. For it you have no concern that it makes no difference for "ALL" are given life back to complete unity with God, it should not matter, but by the little you said it does make a difference to you.

You are correct in that it makes no difference to me in that every man in his own order is Gods doing not mine. I can't change the position of any one of the every.

It does make a difference in the ALL joined by reconciliation to God in that the joy within me from knowing this is something I feel compelled to share,
doesn't change a thing as to any order of salvation or anything for that matter but if I can bring the same joy to another fellow believer then I at least
accomplished something. But not me I am only a waterer, God must give the increase of understanding.
Again it could only be understood by those who profess Christ and have the HG within them. Can't share higher things with people who know almost nothing
and this is where we all differ, in our understanding. Some are 3rd graders, some 6th, some in College. Makes it difficult to talk to a 3rd grader about the
word if your at a college level. Thus the only reason for being here is for contact with the more learned. Although that seems skimpy these days.

However, I will ask you since you have been here before, and been banned, and will probably be again; why did you come back here when with your position in support of Universalism, it really makes no difference?

Freedom from fear for those that actually get to understand the Love of God as I do.

1 Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Jo 8:31-32 ............If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall KNOW THE TRUTH and the truth shall set you FREE.

Who among us, other than me, has no fear of eternal damnation for their loved ones? The understanding of Gods perfect love causes the casting off of that fear.

It is God that so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. And whosoever believeth is whosoever God has elected in this first dispensation
which is part of the reason they are called first fruits.

Isa 59:21
As for me, this is My covenant with them, saith the Lord; My Spirit that is upon thee(Jesus), AND my words which I have put in thy mouth shall not
depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed saith the Lord, from henceforth and forever.

Firstly Jesus was not a married man so who are His seed- US, the spiritual seed, and how did He attain this seed? Fell into the ground and died then brought forth much fruit. And the seed is in the fruit.
So who are the seed's seed, and when would they have seed? Is it possible that that fruit containing seed is the second fruits?

Food for thought.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Samson2020,

It must be because the Trinitarians claim to be Christians and the others do not, therefore; it is the elect that are targeted to stumble. Satan already has
the masses under the other religions.

To add to this are we not to exhort one another as we see the day approaching? Why would I exhort one that is not an elect? They never knew or had opportunity
to stumble in the race for they never started.

Why? If as you say, and your belief system says, if we all are reconciled, what does it matter if we ever start a race that does not have a determining factor in our being saved? Remember that everyone falls in that category of being part of the "ALL"!!!

You are correct in that it makes no difference to me in that every man in his own order is Gods doing not mine. I can't change the position of any one of the every.

It does make a difference in the ALL joined by reconciliation to God in that the joy within me from knowing this is something I feel compelled to share,
doesn't change a thing as to any order of salvation or anything for that matter but if I can bring the same joy to another fellow believer then I at least
accomplished something. But not me I am only a waterer, God must give the increase of understanding.
Again it could only be understood by those who profess Christ and have the HG within them. Can't share higher things with people who know almost nothing
and this is where we all differ, in our understanding. Some are 3rd graders, some 6th, some in College. Makes it difficult to talk to a 3rd grader about the
word if your at a college level. Thus the only reason for being here is for contact with the more learned. Although that seems skimpy these days.

You contraindicate yourself dear Samson2020. It makes no difference to you, but according to you/Universalism the Word of God is saying we all finish first! "ALL" are saved, and so it makes no difference period! Even those in other religions though they may be of the devil, again makes no difference, because there is no punishment, no cost/consequences for unbelief! Even Satan and the fallen angels in the end get their slates wiped clean! Yet you don't see the contradiction between this belief and the rest of scripture!!! That is the amazing part to me. Because it doesn't matter if therer are others who do not want to be with God for eternity, they have no choice about it!

You share the Gospel or do you (?), but you say in the end it doesn't matter whether you accept or don't!!! Don't you see what you are saying? You are literally being contradictory in the importance of anything you or Scripture has to say by adhering to Universalism and then quoting it to justify it!!!

Freedom from fear for those that actually get to understand the Love of God as I do.

Since the 1800's you mean! When do you think the very belief of Universalism came about? In truth it was a counter to Calvinism, and its belief of pre-destination! So instead of pre-destination of Calvinism, you now have Universalism and salvation for "ALL"!

So, what new Revelation did you receive that has allowed you to know the Love of God, differently than the Apostles themselves who gave their lives to the faith and predates Universalism?

Who among us, other than me, has no fear of eternal damnation for their loved ones? The understanding of Gods perfect love causes the casting off of that fear.

Every other Universalist perhaps? Clearly the Apostles who wrote the NT, didn't see it your way.

So, you don't share the Gospel with them or any of your family that do not believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior? What do you tell them: "It's okay, we'll be together in the end anyway!" "Keep doing your New Age things, or Islam, Buddhism, etc. God's perfect law? Doesn't matter according to you and your belief!!! That is why Universalism is Anathema!

It is God that so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. And whosoever believeth is whosoever God has elected in this first dispensation
which is part of the reason they are called first fruits.

....yet Satan, the fallen Angels, all unrepentant persons, will also be there with you!!! Don't you know that? I thought as a Universalist you'd know that!

Firstly Jesus was not a married man so who are His seed- US, the spiritual seed, and how did He attain this seed? Fell into the ground and died then brought forth much fruit. And the seed is in the fruit.
So who are the seed's seed, and when would they have seed? Is it possible that that fruit containing seed is the second fruits?

Why does it matter Universalist? Are not "ALL" of Christ whether they believe or don't?

So, I still await your answer to my second question from before. Which would accord a bit more of understanding to your position though in truth you and I know it will change nothing in the end except...

Unless the belief has to do with where they will live the life they will have, which would be with God or separate from Him?

So, with Him or separate from Him?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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[Samson2020]

I'm walking away from this as it obviously upsets you.
Just want to leave a few closing verses and I'm out.

John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given ALL THINGS into His hand

John 6:39-40 And this is the Fathers will which hath sent me, that of ALL which He hath given me I should lose nothing but raise it up again at the last day.
And this is the will of Him that sent me, that everyone that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him
up at the last day.
Phl 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things in earth, and things under the earth;
and that EVERY tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father.
1 Co 12:3...............and NO ONE can say that JESUS IS LORD except by the Holy Spirit.
Rev 1:7 ..........EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM...........................
2 Co 5:18 ALL THINGS are of God.....................
Col 1:20 And having made peace by the blood of His cross, by Him, to reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth or things
in heaven.

Every other Universalist perhaps? Clearly the Apostles who wrote the NT, didn't see it your way.

Yet it is their work, along with the words of Jesus Himself, I quote, which were all given by the Holy Ghost.

Since the 1800's you mean! When do you think the very belief of Universalism came about? In truth it was a counter to Calvinism, and its belief of pre-destination! So instead of pre-destination of Calvinism, you now have Universalism and salvation for "ALL"!

Not exactly, if you find time look up works from Clement of Alexandria (150-215 AD), Origen of Alexandria (185-253 AD), and Gregory of Nyssa (335-395 AD)
They all as early Church leaders held the same positions, so you see the belief in this issue has been since at least 200 AD.
The Catholics denounced their works and excommunicated them and ordered the burning of those works, after their death around 545 AD. Simply because this
freedom was not conducive to an all power hungry Church that placed itself between men and their Christ.

 

[B-A-C]

John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given ALL THINGS into His hand

What does this have to do with the price of eggs in China?

Ok, the Father has given everything to Jesus. No problem there. What is Jesus going to do with some of them?

Matt 25:26; "But his master answered and said to him, 'You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed.
Matt 25:27; 'Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest.
Matt 25:28; 'Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.'
Matt 25:29; "For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.
Matt 25:30; "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

This wasn't a servant out in the world, this was a servant who was already in the Master's house.

Matt 13:40; "So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
Matt 13:41; "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
Matt 13:42; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

There seems to be a great misunderstanding that just because Jesus has them it's all good.

Luke 13:6; And He began telling this parable: "A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any.
Luke 13:7; "And he said to the vineyard-keeper, 'Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?'
Luke 13:8; "And he answered and said to him, 'Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer;
Luke 13:9; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.'"

Matt 7:19; "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

This isn't any tree out in the woods. This is a tree in the Master's vineyard.

Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Jesus didn't lose them, no one snatched them from His hand. But He'll be there watching when some of them are burning.

Matt 22:11; "But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes,
Matt 22:12; and he *said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?' And the man was speechless.
Matt 22:13; "Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Matt 22:14; "For many are called, but few are chosen."

Unlike some verses where Jesus says I never knew you. In this case He calls this man "friend".

 

[Samson2020]

Ok, the Father has given everything to Jesus. No problem there. What is Jesus going to do with some of them?

John 6:39-40 And this is the Fathers will which hath sent me, that of ALL which He hath given me I should lose nothing but raise it up again at the last day.
And this is the will of Him that sent me, that everyone that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him
up at the last day.

I realize you don't get it and you can't seem to understand there is more than one dispensation of TIME, thats the only way that ALL of the Bible can be true.

We have many many many people thrown into the lake of fire at the Judgment, I agree completely. We just disagree on what that lake of fire is.
For you a never ending torment. For me a refining fire that will eventually lead to a perfecting of another group of fruits. Those trees did not bear
good fruit, but what kind of trees were they? Trees to dishonor to be destroyed. Does not the potter hath power over the clay to make the vessel
made to dishonor and destruction a vessel of mercy? He did with me, for I was once the one to dishonor, but He changed me!
That wasn't my choice it was His, and I am extremely grateful/thankful He did.

There is no way that John 6:39 can be fulfilled if there is only one dispensation of time, the one were in now. It can only happen in another dispensation.
The second death.

We can get caught into thinking there is only one if we do not consider what Paul wrote and only concentrate on the things you quote from Jesus.
I also quote Jesus as noted above and the two just don't agree so there has to be an explanation as to why we only see it as black or white and nothing
gray.
And that is the understanding of what takes place during the various dispensations of the Times. Eph 1:10
Without that understanding it will always be heaven or hell period. And not the whole picture.

Jesus' admonishment was for the elect to bring forth good fruit to make their position in the kingdom sure. The ones that never were able to see it,
those not called to understand at this time, would never even paid attention to Him for they were not chosen, but blinded, by God. For now.

 

[Christ4Ever]

I'm walking away from this as it obviously upsets you.
Just want to leave a few closing verses and I'm out.

Dear Samson2020,
Walking away from this discussion with me, the current topic (thread), or the site? For if I need to switch hats to my Moderator one, in order to comply with your desires, I would it not be mistaken for something else.

Upset me? Unless it has to do with the frustration that comes from your avoidance in answering the question that has to do with your belief. I have asked you it numerous times and have yet to receive an answer to it. Which I will copy to you again.

So, I still await your answer to my second question from before. Which would accord a bit more of understanding to your position though in truth you and I know it will change nothing in the end except...

Unless the belief has to do with where they will live the life they will have, which would be with God or separate from Him?

So, with Him or separate from Him?

Thank-you for providing those early theologians. By the by you must now also believe in the Trinity as well!!! At least that's a good thing! I mean those you referenced "Clement of Alexandria, Origen of Alexandria, and Nyssa" were all proponents of it! lol

I await your reply to my question, unless that is the cause of you walking away....

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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[Samson2020]

Dear Samson2020,
Walking away from this discussion with me, the current topic (thread), or the site? For if I need to switch hats to my Moderator one, in order to comply with your desires, I would it not be mistaken for something else.

Upset me? Unless it has to do with the frustration that comes from your avoidance in answering the question that has to do with your belief. I have asked you it numerous times and have yet to receive an answer to it. Which I will copy to you again.



Thank-you for providing those early theologians. By the by you must now also believe in the Trinity as well!!! At least that's a good thing! I mean those you referenced "Clement of Alexandria, Origen of Alexandria, and Nyssa" were all proponents of it! lol

I await your reply to my question, unless that is the cause of you walking away....

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Those I referenced were merely to let you know that it wasn’t just an 1800’s response to Calvin.
Their belief in any Trinity has nothing to do with my belief. And I think they are wrong about it.
The Doctrine of it doesn’t stand up to simple scripture like Ephesians 1:3
Where Paul explicit states that God is the God and Father of Jesus. If this is fact then Jesus cannot be His own Father nor His own God and neither can God be His own Son.
The litmus test fails on this verse alone.
The early Catholic Church leaders did a great job of muddying up the waters and attempting to disallow
Anyone from having their own understanding through the anathema, excommunication, death etc… But they ain’t the one who saved any of us. It was God. They want to usurp that relationship between the elect and their father, by creating a whole new set of rules , creeds, and dictates that in their world carry as much or more authority than the word of God itself.
It’s a mud hole and aptly called the mother of all Har…s
Does this mean all Catholics are bad? Of course not, just trapped by a monster who’s hunger for power is never satisfied.
She is mainly responsible for the blood of the saints and has killed plenty in her time but that is drawing closer and closer to an end.

All liars will have their place in the lake of fire so all of us need to make 100% certain what we say is accurate, me included.

Now that I know your not actually upset I will get your answer shortly.

 

[Bill]

Dear Brother,
Clearly that is what he believes. A Universalist is a person who believes that all humankind will eventually be saved. In his case, he also believes Satan and all the fallen angels will also. I am trying to refine the particulars, of his belief. "Universalist" is what comes closest to what he seems to ascribe to. So, my question to him in my last post.

I used "live" in my post instead of saved, because "saved" connotes many different things to some folks, so "live" seemed more appropriate to what he has said will happen to all creation at least scripturally speaking that is.

If you'd like you can go to the top of any page and type in Universalist, and postings of his will come up, amongst others as well. However, how receptive he will be to replying since I have warned him that this belief is not compatible to the tenets of Talk Jesus, I do not know. We shall see. Oh, the telling word in scripture for him is "ALL". The implication is that when used there is no exception, separation or deviation as being accepted when "ALL" is used.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Sometimes i wish i could share my spiritual warfare here. Or better everyone here could experience the same. Then there would be no questions about the existance of hell or heaven, nor those who are sent to either

 

[Bill]

That is a hard one to accept as NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD at any time. 1 John 1:18 And i'm pretty sure your still a man.

None the less, I have both seen the Trinity and heard the voice of the Trinity.

 

[Samson2020]

Sometimes i wish i could share my spiritual warfare here. Or better everyone here could experience the same. Then there would be no questions about the existance of hell or heaven, nor those who are sent to either

What is the purpose of your work If I may ask?

 

[Bill]

Actually we only cast out when we are instructed to, but Jesus did say they are subject unto us (if we are in Christ). Luke 10:20

I was wondering if you understood what I was trying to talk to you about. When it comes to accepting God in your heart.
For those that only believe that there is only God, accepting God into your heart is what's necessary still.
We know this because of the Old Testament. The Jews accepted God as God, and God spoke to them. Moses, samuel, David Etc.

Paul talks about having your heart circumcised. Even talking about the pagans, if their hearts are circumcised.

I know that common practice of receiving Christ/Jesus comes as spoken word, however Paul talks about receiving Christ in our hearts.

You see, it isn't the politics that saves a person. It's only when you receive God in your heart that does the saving

 

[Bill]

What is the purpose of your work If I may ask?

To prepare the world for the coming of the Lord

 

[Bill]

Only those of us who have unveiled faces. Not everyone has had the veil removed.

2 Corinthians 3:18
(AMPC) And all of us, as with unveiled face, [because we] continued to behold [in the Word of God] as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are constantly being transfigured into His very own image in ever increasing splendor and from one degree of glory to another; [for this comes] from the Lord [Who is] the Spirit.
(ASV) But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit.
(BSB) And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
(KJV) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
(MKJV) But we all, with our face having been unveiled, having beheld the glory of the Lord as in a mirror, are being changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Lord Spirit.
(NAS77) But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
(NAS95) But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
(NIrV) Our faces are not covered with a veil. We all display the Lord's glory. We are being changed to become more like him so that we have more and more glory. And the glory comes from the Lord, who is the Holy Spirit.
(NIV) And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
(NKJV) But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

2Cor 3:15; But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart;
2Cor 3:16; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

I would be careful who you apply this way of thinking to.

"Only those of us who have unveiled faces. Not everyone has had the veil removed."

It isn't our place to judge, even if we do not agree with ones way of thinking.

Remember the scripture of the Lord bringing down a sheet for Peter to take and eat. "Certainly not Lord, they are unclean"

Samson2020, God has him close, we just need to pray for him

 

[Bill]

Dear Samson2020,
Was I talking to you in this post? Was it directed to you at all?
If you felt the need to explain yourself, which in my poor way I was attempting to do with Brother Bill concerning you, it would have been better to direct your reply to him and not me.

However, I will ask you since you have been here before, and been banned, and will probably be again; why did you come back here when with your position in support of Universalism, it really makes no difference?

See Samson2020, in one way you use Scripture to state there is an accountability to people like me in their belief/actions, and in the other that it makes no difference when "ALL" goes back to an original state, irrespective of belief/act, which I believe means back to a perfect state with God.

Confused by this? Me too. That is why I ask you again the question in my last post and hope that you will reply to.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Let us pray for him, it is God who will bring him closer

 

[Samson2020]

I await your reply to my question, unless that is the cause of you walking away....

So, with Him or separate from Him?

With Him as all things are to be reconciled unto Him through Christ Col 1:20 Absolutely scriptural. Unless, like B-A-C, you don't believe that that verse means
exactly what it says.
Col 1:19-21 For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to
reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated
IN YOUR MIND by wicked works, yet now hath HE RECONCILED......

Every person is born condemned in their own mind whether they understand that or not is irrelevant. The reconciliation is a choice of God and it
shows His righteousness in that it was necessary for man to be rebellious in order to experience good and evil and to participate in the same.
This is why the condemnation was pronounced from the very first act of disobedience. God knowing we must have the experience in order to
be like Him allowed all of it to happen on purpose. He already had the fix and that was the crucifixion of the one who would be His Son and
take on all sin that was committed by all. Thus He condemned all and in His righteousness He provided the resolution to our condemnation.
He gifts the faith necessary to believe to those He has chosen for this time period as in all time periods. No prophet of God ever chose to be one.
But they all were because God made them one.
Now since the condemnation was necessary and is still in full effect today God is slowly but surely selecting a governing body (Christ) to take
the first dominion Mic 4:8 This does not mean He is losing anyone, He has His plan and will fulfill that plan at His own leisure. We who are part of
the elect and will receive the first dominion have an amazing opportunity to remain faithful and become better than the least in the kingdom at
this time. This is where exhortation of all comes into play for I don't believe most understand what the calling and election is about.
They all just want to go to heaven. Can't say I blame them but it is much more than that.
When the judgement comes, those not chosen or those who fell away, where unto they were appointed, will also, through refining fire and
I believe a more intense maturation processing in good and evil, come into the same life we received by the crucifixion of the Son of God by the same
GRACE extended to us in this first dispensation.
As I mentioned to B-A-C there is no way that all the human race can be accounted for in this dispensation of time. Too many have died prior to
Jesus and too many were not chosen, but the Bible clearly states that all things are to be reconciled unto God through Jesus Christ and that will
require another dispensation of time and another death period. Second death.
And as all things are of God, He is only reconciling what is His. Everything.
Eph 1:9-10
9-Having made known unto us the mystery of HIS WILL, according to HIS GOOD PLEASURE which HE HATH PURPOSED IN HIMSELF:
10-That in the dispensation of the fullness of the TIMES He might gather together IN ONE (Spirit) ALL THINGS IN CHRIST(the anointing), both which
are in heaven and which are on earth, even in Him.
And this agrees with Col 1:20
And John 17:21 and John 17:23 That they ALL would be one as He and the Father were one in Spirit.
1 Co 6:17 For he who is joined unto the Lord is ONE SPIRIT with Him.

I know its a lot to understand but you can't say a meal worthy of teeth wasn't served.

 

[Samson2020]

I was wondering if you understood what I was trying to talk to you about. When it comes to accepting God in your heart.
For those that only believe that there is only God, accepting God into your heart is what's necessary still.
We know this because of the Old Testament. The Jews accepted God as God, and God spoke to them. Moses, samuel, David Etc.

Paul talks about having your heart circumcised. Even talking about the pagans, if their hearts are circumcised.

I know that common practice of receiving Christ/Jesus comes as spoken word, however Paul talks about receiving Christ in our hearts.

You see, it isn't the politics that saves a person. It's only when you receive God in your heart that does the saving

Ok I got the HG roughly 20 plus yrs ago. We here only discuss and try to understand why we have been apprehended. Some understand more than others and
make offers to help the younger ones in the Lord along, but know that if they have the HG they don't really need us.
The spirit of the Son was placed in me at that time in seed form as I did not receive the fullness of the Spirit as Jesus did so that the heavens were opened to me.
That seed is continually growing into an overcoming son of the living God day by day as it consumes my carnality. And makes me seem pretty crazy to most I speak to.
But I'm good with that.

Now back to you, what is the purpose of your work and what is it that is accomplished in your spiritual warfare?

I was under the impression that the unclean had no choice but to obey us, so my warfare is with the spiritual wickedness in high places, i.e. my own carnal mind.
If I always look at other mens evil, I neglect killing that that resides in me which takes first priority.

 

[Bill]

Ok I got the HG roughly 20 plus yrs ago. We here only discuss and try to understand why we have been apprehended. Some understand more than others and
make offers to help the younger ones in the Lord along, but know that if they have the HG they don't really need us.
The spirit of the Son was placed in me at that time in seed form as I did not receive the fullness of the Spirit as Jesus did so that the heavens were opened to me.
That seed is continually growing into an overcoming son of the living God day by day as it consumes my carnality. And makes me seem pretty crazy to most I speak to.
But I'm good with that.

Now back to you, what is the purpose of your work and what is it that is accomplished in your spiritual warfare?

I was under the impression that the unclean had no choice but to obey us, so my warfare is with the spiritual wickedness in high places, i.e. my own carnal mind.
If I always look at other mens evil, I neglect killing that that resides in me which takes first priority.

May the lord always fill us with his wisdom.

To remove the cardinal thoughts that run through the mind, can easily be replaced by the love of God that you have in your heart. The deeper one loves God the easier it is to remove the darkness from our own hearts. Think of it as a circumcision that Paul talks about the circumcision of the heart. Circumcision itself is a cutting of the skin, and in the case of the cutting of the heart it not only allows God's love in but it also forces the darkness out.

As scripture States where God's love is evil cannot be.

God's love is greater than everything else together.

 

[Bill]

Ok I got the HG roughly 20 plus yrs ago. We here only discuss and try to understand why we have been apprehended. Some understand more than others and
make offers to help the younger ones in the Lord along, but know that if they have the HG they don't really need us.
The spirit of the Son was placed in me at that time in seed form as I did not receive the fullness of the Spirit as Jesus did so that the heavens were opened to me.
That seed is continually growing into an overcoming son of the living God day by day as it consumes my carnality. And makes me seem pretty crazy to most I speak to.
But I'm good with that.

Now back to you, what is the purpose of your work and what is it that is accomplished in your spiritual warfare?

I was under the impression that the unclean had no choice but to obey us, so my warfare is with the spiritual wickedness in high places, i.e. my own carnal mind.
If I always look at other mens evil, I neglect killing that that resides in me which takes first priority.

I wanted to make a comment to you about receiving the Holy Ghost.

Many do not realize that is based on the condition of your heart, meaning how fertile is your heart. If your heart is not fertile or the ground is Rocky or partly Rocky. Then that person will not be able to receive the fullness of the Holy Spirit.

So you were talking about your younger ones who have received the Holy Ghost. Don't ever think that they do not need help as well, especially the younger ones. Because even though a person has the Holy Ghost/ Holy Spirit, it does not stop that person from sinning. This is a really great error that many think. Believing that just because they have received God, or receive the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit. That now they are not able to sin. That is bologna.

Humans are human, we do stupid things all the time.

It is why we must go before the Lord to seek forgiveness of those stupid sins that we still do, even if you have received God in your heart. Even if you strive to be perfect before God. We still do stupid stupid sins. Because we lack perfection. It is only God that does not sin. We on the other hand are not God, and therefore we are subject to sinning.

This is why we should pay attention to the Our Father that Jesus taught us," forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation but Deliver Us from Evil".

If we were already perfect, because of receiving the Holy Spirit. Then there would be no need to say the Our Father

 

[Samson2020]

So you were talking about your younger ones who have received the Holy Ghost. Don't ever think that they do not need help as well, especially the younger ones. Because even though a person has the Holy Ghost/ Holy Spirit, it does not stop that person from sinning. This is a really great error that many think. Believing that just because they have received God, or receive the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit. That now they are not able to sin. That is bologna

I was meaning that they don't need me to teach them as John says in 1 Jo 2:27 We can't help but want to help but sometimes cause more problems than provide
solutions as they are not ready as it is line upon line and precept upon precept, here a little there a little. Can't teach algebra to a 3rd grader.
Wasn't about sinning. I know that in the flesh there is no good thing and the law being a spiritual thing I cannot, while in the flesh, live up to it.

 

[Bill]

I was meaning that they don't need me to teach them as John says in 1 Jo 2:27 We can't help but want to help but sometimes cause more problems than provide
solutions as they are not ready as it is line upon line and precept upon precept, here a little there a little. Can't teach algebra to a 3rd grader.
Wasn't about sinning. I know that in the flesh there is no good thing and the law being a spiritual thing I cannot, while in the flesh, live up to it.