Trinity

[Jonathan_Gale]

Jesus said in John 17:3 that his heavenly Father was the only true God, so what kind of a god is Jesus?

You know, when Jesus prayed to the “one true God” in John 17:3, that term distinguishes YHWH from all the false gods who are merely created heavenly beings, YHWH can only be known as the one true God through Jesus. You, however, reached the opposite foregone conclusion by putting Jesus among those false gods. That’s a logical fallacy - if Jesus were not the “one true God”, then the “one true God” he mentioned must be a false god, so how could you know who’s this “one true God”? If Jesus were not God, then why did you still quote his words? Where did his authority and credibility come from?

 

[PloughBoy]

I came here because so many people are misled by the tradition of the trinity. I know how hard it is to break away from a belief that you grow up with. I had to do it to be honest with myself and lost a lot of friends over it. I have no malice towards anyone that believe it but the truth is it is just wrong. Sorry if that ruffles some feathers which I can see it does.

That said, I'm not sure why you would ask "which is the correct translation of John 1:18" when you should know, maybe you don't, that neither one is correct because they have taken a Greek word that according to Strong's means this: υἱός huiŏs, hwee-os'; apparently a primary word; a "son" (sometimes of animals), used very widely of immediate, remote or figuratively, kinship:—child, foal, son. And changed it to God. How much more dishonest could you be. What true Christians would be so dishonest? Have you ever checked the Greek when you read scriptures?

In John 3:16 these translations did something just a bad, they left out the word the word monogenēs which again Strong's says means μονογενής monogenḗs, mon-og-en-ace'; from G3441 and G1096; only-born, i.e. sole:—only (begotten, child). Now why do you suppose they would do that?

So in John 1:18 the changed son to God and in 3:16 they left out firstborn all together. This is what I meant earlier when I said "trinity misinformation. Get yourself a concordance or Greek English Lexicon and check these things for yourself because it's obvious that you can't trust these translations to do it for you.

I was not asking which one is correct, I know wicks as far back as 1977-1979 all this stuff in the las 40 years is old stuff to me all of this old, there is nothing New, since then, when I 1st .study this stuff. hard copy. All of I t is old, older than me. and been proven 100's and 100's of years long ago,

But still they, many argue about something that has been settle, so far long ago, the dust is laying on top The Truth.

And after Jesus comes back and go away again, they Still going to be arguing about what is true and False, That have been settle since, "The Synod of Dort" in 1619

The arguing, are not going to stop, not until we come back with "Jesus" and rule with a "Iron Rod" and dash them to pieces, His rule will not be by Love ,mercy or grace, But his Rule will Be a Rule of "JUSTICE", A "Just" Rule ,no mercy or grace. No prisons or jails,

Finally mankind will see, how evil mankind really is..

 

[Searchingtoo]

I Have retired 1977- 2015-2017, I do not want anymore of other peoples thoughts, I am tired and worn-out, Jesus is enough. and I do not want anything else, But I do thank for the the offer, I m tired of men and all of there religious thoughts and the thousand and upon thousand of different kind of teaching about about christianity. Lord knows I am tired. these people are killing me daily..

And the only comfort I get when when I obey Him in This manner, so much comfort and Joy:

Colossians 3 BSB
1Therefore, since you have been raised with Christ, strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. [my happiness and Joy is right here while I am waiting on earth for his return or death takes me, for I am ready , just like my mother, to leave from here" what a glorious day when I die and leave from here]

I do not want to hear another teacher, instructor or another sermon, or read another Book, but the Bible. it is s such a great torture to be here in this world by knowing about the next, phrase That is in Christ Jesus. "Testimonies by individuals are great to me" I love them, about Eternity and Sanctification in which is Our Inheritance. I do like other's testimonies about "Our Eternal Inheritance " O' Sweet JESUS, Glory .....Hallelujah . I am get fired up Now, O Sweet Jesus, Glory , when I get to talking About Eternity that which is far past "Heaven" I get worked Up, and My SOUl Catch The HOLY FIRE, and My Rockets go into another stage of Flight, like the Bible states " in the Twinkling of an eye! I am Gone! Can't no Church, no body of believers, no teacher, no college , no sermon, can do me Like JESUS, and He takes me There! He is not dead He is Alive in me! and The Father there is no other like Him, even those cannot Match Him in His Glory Manifesting In My Soul. for there is None like him.

Philippians 1:21 KJV
American Standard Version
For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

[and I can hardly wait} just like my mother who Rejoiced with Praise When I told her she had cancer and was going to die, The hospital doctors and nurses, and Chaplins said they have never seen anything like it. "I am going home" I am so happy I do not know what to do. and me and her Praise her way and embrace death as a "Gift from GOD" Our Father into eternal LIFe, when He sounds The Horn. By Mama .I will see you at the sounding of The Horn, when The dead in Christ shall rise 1st. and I will meet you in the air.

Now this does not mean, that I will not hear another's proclamation about something, But I am an old tired old man who have not took a break in proclaiming God's Truth for Almost 50 years straight, with out a break. I do not move unless he says so, I do not desire to serve Him, "a dispensation has been given to me, too" Like many others. A person has to be out of their mind, to go in the name of Jesus! "The Via Dolorosa"

It is time to go Home.

If my calculation is right you will soon be 104. God bless you brother. I'm almost certain I'll never see that.

 

[Searchingtoo]

You know, when Jesus prayed to the “one true God” in John 17:3, that term distinguishes YHWH from all the false gods who are merely created heavenly beings, YHWH can only be known as the one true God through Jesus. You, however, reached the opposite foregone conclusion by putting Jesus among those false gods. That’s a logical fallacy - if Jesus were not the “one true God”, then the “one true God” he mentioned must be a false god, so how could you know who’s this “one true God”? If Jesus were not God, then why did you still quote his words? Where did his authority and credibility come from?

My friend, half of what you say makes sense. The other half makes no sense at all.

 

[Searchingtoo]

Then that's just a word game. No, Jesus was not the God in heaven, the God in heaven yelled out loud at his baptism and transfiguration; and yes, he was God's presence and image on EARTH - as it is in heaven. No one can know God through a burning bush or an all consuming fire, that would only scare them away, which was the sentiment in Deut. 18:16 -

"According to all you desired of the Lord your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, not let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die."

Therefore God appeared in human form to build a relationship with his people -who get to know him through his human form. If you can't see that from the Scripture, then you're just blind, and 40 years of study only shut your eyes tighter.

Are you the same person that was cussing on here awhile ago?

 

[PloughBoy]

If my calculation is right you will soon be 104. God bless you brother. I'm almost certain I'll never see that.

I am sorry,

My Quote: "I Have retired 1977- 2015-2017," [of service.]
Born of God in 1977, Filled with "The Spirit of GOD " at worked, a the age of 26, and never look back, all the way to the year of 2015 to around 2017 I retired from doing the appointed work of God.. Subtract now. I will count from 1977 to 2017 how many years in Jesus and not in a church. 46 years in God, know keep

Luke 4:18
"The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed,

sorry about that.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Are you the same person that was cussing on here awhile ago?

Are you the same person who denied Jesus?

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

My friend, half of what you say makes sense. The other half makes no sense at all.

That other half is your big idea in the OP, not mine. You're suggesting Jesus is a false god by questioning "what kind of god is he."

 

[Waggles]

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,
12 training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,
13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ,
14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

 

[Beetow]

I've heard tell that the Old Testament's Jehovah isn't the actual supreme of all
beings but that he is a mysterious person whose name is his master's; so that he
speaks for God, speaks as God, and must be revered as God.

According to Philippians 2:9-11 the Word's flesh fits that description because he has
been given the name that is above all names. Well; that name is Jehovah; and it is
because he has that name that every knee must bend.
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[Twistie]

It's not 3 persons making 3 gods. It's 3 persons making 1 God.

3 wheels make 1 tricycle.
the executive branch, legislative branch and judicial branch don't make three governments, they make 1 government.
an egg shell, egg-white and yolk don't ,make 3 eggs, they make 1 egg.

Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the Father aren't 3 Gods, they make 1 God.
But to answer your question... what kind of God is Jesus, He is the kind of God that creates everything.

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

John 10:30; "I and the Father are one."

Tricycle Neva thought of that I say an egg lol

Twistie

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

It's not 3 persons making 3 gods. It's 3 persons making 1 God.

3 wheels make 1 tricycle.
the executive branch, legislative branch and judicial branch don't make three governments, they make 1 government.
an egg shell, egg-white and yolk don't ,make 3 eggs, they make 1 egg.

Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the Father aren't 3 Gods, they make 1 God.
But to answer your question... what kind of God is Jesus, He is the kind of God that creates everything.

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

John 10:30; "I and the Father are one."

Unfortunately, these are flawed analogies that lead to the denial and rejection of the trinity. It always falls into two categories, either tritheism (three parts of one entity) or modalism (three forms of one entity). When Jesus was baptized, God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit were simultaneously present, which cannot be explained with either tritheism or modalism.

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The closest analogy I know of is "three presences in one" - God is God's presence in heaven, the Holy Spirit is God's presence on earth, and Jesus is the WAY in between. In Jacob's dream, he actually saw such a ladder that connects heaven and earth, and angels moved up and down. It's more like a mechanism, there's one God and only one God the whole time.

 

[Searchingtoo]

Then that's just a word game. No, Jesus was not the God in heaven, the God in heaven yelled out loud at his baptism and transfiguration; and yes, he was God's presence and image on EARTH - as it is in heaven. No one can know God through a burning bush or an all consuming fire, that would only scare them away, which was the sentiment in Deut. 18:16 -

"According to all you desired of the Lord your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, not let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die."

Therefore God appeared in human form to build a relationship with his people -who get to know him through his human form. If you can't see that from the Scripture, then you're just blind, and 40 years of study only shut your eyes tighter.

Are you the same person that was cussing on here awhile ago?

Unfortunately, these are flawed analogies that lead to the denial and rejection of the trinity. It always falls into two categories, either tritheism (three parts of one entity) or modalism (three forms of one entity). When Jesus was baptized, God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit were simultaneously present, which cannot be explained with either tritheism or modalism.

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The closest analogy I know of is "three presences in one" - God is God's presence in heaven, the Holy Spirit is God's presence on earth, and Jesus is the WAY in between. In Jacob's dream, he actually saw such a ladder that connects heaven and earth, and angels moved up and down. It's more like a mechanism, there's one God and only one God the whole time.

I don't understand why trinitarians act like there has to be a trinity, somehow 3 gods in on but you can't even agree on exactly what it is.

Maybe this will help: Definition: The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three “Persons” are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching.

Why not just look at how the 1st century Christians believed it. Don't you think since they were with Jesus and learned directly form him they would know, but they did not believe in a trinity.

Maybe this will help:
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[Jonathan_Gale]

Are you the same person that was cussing on here awhile ago?

Are you the same person who denied Jesus?

 

[Searchingtoo]

Are you the same person who denied Jesus?

That's what I thought, which gives you no credibility.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

That's what I thought, which gives you no credibility.

Any you, sir? Why do you study the bible - which is all about Jesus - since you deny Jesus as God?

 

[Beetow]

According to Ezek 1:1-28, Jehovah might actually wear four hats instead of three.
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[Beetow]

The universe is expanding in all directions at an ever-increasing velocity, i.e. its
expansion is speeding up instead of slowing down as might be expected.

Well; my question is: Into what is it expanding? I mean; wouldn't there have to be
some sort of void beyond the universe in order for it to have room to get bigger?

Man has yet to fully understand the characteristics of his cosmic environment yet
we honestly believe ourselves capable of fully understanding the characteristics of
the cosmos' maker. HAW!
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[Butch5]

I'm always fascinated at how Christians defend this doctrine so vehemently. It's a doctrine that is, nowhere expressed in Scriputre, but actually refuted by Scripture, is seen nowhere in church history until the 5th century, and was propagated by, who knows? Some suspect Augustine. It is completely illogical, something we wouldn't expect from a God who is, 'not a God of confusion'. It's a doctrine no one can explain. The fact that no one can explain it is not just a red flag, it's a red flag the size Jupiter. Any explanation people try to give is always irrational, which is to be expected because the doctrine is illogical.

Let's not let church doctrines override Scripture

 

[Butch5]

Any you, sir? Why do you study the bible - which is all about Jesus - since you deny Jesus as God?

Jonathon, do you believe the apostle John? If so, let me ask what you make of this passage. He said,

John 1:1 (KJV 1900): In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John said the Word was with God and "WAS" God. He didn't say the Word was with God and the Word is God. Why did John say "WAS" rather than "is"?