On TV news research investigations being done in the area of being 'born' homosexual. So far, no gene has been found that has any bearing on that. So everyone is born with a 'clean slate'. There Have been 'supposedly' kids saying that from a young age onward , they 'felt' different from other kids. But How can kids know they're 'feeling different' from other kids. Unless it's parents or other adults who comment about 'their' kids 'being different' in some way.
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On TV news research investigations being done in the area of being 'born' homosexual. So far, no gene has been found that has any bearing on that. So everyone is born with a 'clean slate'. There Have been 'supposedly' kids saying that from a young age onward , they 'felt' different from other kids. But How can kids know they're 'feeling different' from other kids. Unless it's parents or other adults who comment about 'their' kids 'being different' in some way.
KingJ -- Where do you get your doctrine From?! Your beliefs from?!
Sounds like you believe in universal salvation. That everyone will eventually accept Jesus Christs their Lord / Savior.
You Do realize that lots of people Do reject Jesus Christ. That lots of people hold Strongly to other belief systems that Don't acknowledge Jesus Christ or God at All.
There are some people I've tried talking to who Don't Care about heaven. They Want to be free to party all the time --in hell -- with No God or Christians to bother them.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that Who So Ever Believeth on Him will not perish but have everlasting life. Which suggests that not everyone Will believe.
It's the Holy Spirit that convicts us Of our sins -- our need For salvation. We are all born sinners. We All deserve eternity in hell.
We are given the great commission -- go out and share Gospel unto salvation to All Who Will Listen. Which means that Not everyone Will be wanting To listen. Some / Lots of people Will laugh at us. God's Word is laughed at by Lots of people.
The Holy Spirit does NOT automatically jump into a person's soul. We have to ask Him. It's a free gift that needs to be personally accepted by a person. At Christmas time or birthday time. Lots of gifts are under the tree or presented to an individual. But they don't Become 'ours' unless we extend our hand to Receive the gift.
God is the Only One who Does know who will or who Won't accept His gift of salvation made Possible for all.
Your thoughts here - in This post sounds just like 'irresistible" grace -- part of TULIP. And That attitude is what kills evangelism. It's saying that person A is going to be saved no matter what. So Anyone can approach him / person A / either me or the next person. So, if I'm busy Now -- it doesn't really matter. In fact, maybe No one really Needs To approach that person A -- If God wants Him, God can 'zap' Him -- just like Paul was zapped.
How about Ephesians 2:8 - 9. For by grace you are saved by faith, and that, not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not of works....... like stated previously -- a gift needs to be accepted or rejected by the person. It's Not like a free government hand-out. 'ya get it whether ya like it or not'. Or its' withheld no matter How much ya need it cause the government agency has run out of funds. I probably shouldn't get the topic of government into this. But maybe it Does sort of apply. In many countries -- the 'state' religion is either followed or Else. The 'state' religion is Not offered in 'love' it's offered Or Else. And the 'or else' isn't a nice, good, fun consequence.
KingJ -- a question, maybe I've asked this before -- but, how have You come to Christ. Was it through something you felt a Need to do? Following a 'creed'?
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I totally disagree brother.
I was told by several people the option you state. I rejected it over and over again. Everyone in my family are lost souls, I am considered strange. Those who belong to the world and the devil say, as I said, don't give e .wall that Bible rubbish, its what you believe but don't try push it on me.
Bible bashers, God squad, and more. I was blind but now I see brother, I was brought to my knees before I accepted Christ, then I had to cope with my wife saying, I wasn't the man she married, she threw at me everything she had heard me throw at others, theatre spiritual battle hearted up. Our kids were set against me. my marriage was on a knife edge.
My brother is still the same, don't give me the God talk. The hard part is when you have been a hardened hater and then become a new creation, at first you cannot understand, firstly why they can't see what you see, secondly they nastily do not want preaching to, thirdly why is God allowing this to happen, it is like being dragged through hell but now you know it is all real, they cannot see it, all you have left is to lay everything at our Lord's feet, give it to Him in prayer (and learn to let go, leave it with Him).
It is so true, we belong to sin, the world and the devil, or God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We cannot sit on the fence, there isn't one. There is no Luke warm, it is one or the other. Light and dark don't go together, those in dark dark do not like the light and run for cover.
Yes it is good to chat.
Bless you, peace be with you.
I totally disagree brother.
I was told by several people the option you state. I rejected it over and over again. Everyone in my family are lost souls, I am considered strange. Those who belong to the world and the devil say, as I said, don't give e .wall that Bible rubbish, its what you believe but don't try push it on me.
Bible bashers, God squad, and more. I was blind but now I see brother, I was brought to my knees before I accepted Christ, then I had to cope with my wife saying, I wasn't the man she married, she threw at me everything she had heard me throw at others, theatre spiritual battle hearted up. Our kids were set against me. my marriage was on a knife edge.
My brother is still the same, don't give me the God talk. The hard part is when you have been a hardened hater and then become a new creation, at first you cannot understand, firstly why they can't see what you see, secondly they nastily do not want preaching to, thirdly why is God allowing this to happen, it is like being dragged through hell but now you know it is all real, they cannot see it, all you have left is to lay everything at our Lord's feet, give it to Him in prayer (and learn to let go, leave it with Him).
It is so true, we belong to sin, the world and the devil, or God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We cannot sit on the fence, there isn't one. There is no Luke warm, it is one or the other. Light and dark don't go together, those in dark dark do not like the light and run for cover.
Yes it is good to chat.
Bless you, peace be with you.
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I wish you would '''quote'' me. Your posts are 'way out there'.
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Salvation is an airplane leaving the airport for heaven. We need to get to the airport. If you disagree, then you believe God takes us from where we are and puts us on the plane. That is Calvinism. I question Sue all the time as she sounds like one in her posts.
Do you believe that? Free will is a fallacy?
Which option I stated? Repent?
Sorry to hear. That sounds terrible. One would think a conversion to a religion teaching one to turn the left cheek 'plus', be welcomed.
If all God wanted was prayer He would not have placed you with him. Made him your brother. You need to keep witnessing to him. There is a time for preaching, correcting, keeping quiet and prayer. We do need to try all we can. Pro 27:6 is real. Friends who care ''wound'' us. We reject them now but love them later.
Nobody alive ''belongs'' to sin. Those sold out to sin are either close to death or in Hades right now. The devil roams like a lion looking for ''whom'' he can devour. He can devour those sold out to sin. Those God hands over entirely. Those God stops trying to reach and causes their hearts to be hardened.
I don't know if I agree with no lukewarm. I do believe in OSAS. So I do see black and white. God grafts those in who pass His judgement of heart and mind Jer 17:9-11. He is not a fool who makes mistakes and grafts devils into His family. But, I do see a grey area with those 'sanctified'. 1 Cor 7:14 says the unbelieving spouse is sanctified by the believing spouse. Those in church attendance could also be sanctified. But we know there will come a time when every knee will bow and make a choice. That choice is accept Jesus or reject Jesus. Not accept or reject salvation. It is wanting to be with a God who loves what is righteous over what is wicked.
God sees through decisions made out of fear. He is not blind. He is not a fool. God is also impartial Acts 10:34. He gives us all the ability to come to Him. IE Repent.
I read your post as you proposing you desired no repentance until God worked on your heart. You need to be clear in your explanation. As if God worked on your heart ''without'' your approval, it is partiality by God. Evidence of a wicked God cherry picking people for heaven. As @Sue D. insinuates ''I have salvation, the free gift from God, I am a lucky one''. If you gave your approval we then need to discuss on how you gave it / what prompted God to pay you a visit. The answer is in James 4:8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you, cleanse your hands you sinners.
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The answer to your question my friend is that Homophobia, Islamophobia, Xenophobia, or any other "phobia", implies an abhorrence, fear or hatred of the individual concerned, be they Homosexual, Muslim, Foreigner or whatever, and as Christians we are called on to hate the Sin, not the Sinner, ....... the history of Christianity is pervaded by Hate and Intolerance leading to some of the worst horrors ever perpetrated by man, ....... we really need to understand that lesson now more than ever, as the seeds of that same intolerance and hate again take root in many so called "civilised", God fearing Nations of the World.
Yes, there Will be time at the end of this world, that Each person Will stand before God and bend their knee to Him -- acknowledging Him As God. But there will be No decision made at That point to accept Christ. Everyone's choice is here and now.
Well -- If a couple do marry as unsaved people and one of them Does come to faith in Christ -- the unbelieving partner Does have the choice to either stay or leave. The believing spouse can't Scripturally require him, her to stay. If the unbelieving spouse chooses to Stay -- then the life of the believing spouse Can be what changes the heart of the other one. As he/ she reads their Bible and is a loving, gentle person / hopefully has Christian friends praying for them, then the unbeliever Has been known to accept Christ, Also. But they have Also been known to get aggrevated and abusive. One believing wife Did choose to stay with her unsaved drunken husband. She was begged to leave him for her own safety. She felt led to stay. One day her husband came home , drunk and abusive. He attacked her and killed her. Her pastor went to visit him in jail and later in prison. Turns out that when the husband was sober enough to realize what he'd done, he was horrified. After a while, the pastor was able to lead him to the Lord. He started reading his Bible in That setting and gradually other's Could see a difference in him -- started a Bible study with the men. A prison ministry started.
He stated that at least he would be joining her in heaven.
God does Not 'need' our approval to work in our hearts. He would that All would come to repentance and accept Him. But in His all-knowledge He knows who will and who won't. He's the only one who's had that knowledge from the beginning.
Every person born is a sinner. No one is born with a desire to know God. check out the book of Romans.
Free will is an absolute truth.
"If All God wanted was prayer........." Prayer is our talking with / to God. Of Course He wants us to talk with Him.
Brother Paul -- you're right. Family Can be Very cruel to us and sometimes we Do need to just leave it up to God. And That can be hard to do, Even believing relatives, sons, daughter who are not in fellowship can be cruel.
@KingJ -- your comment about those sold out to sin being either near death or in Hades right now. Not especially -- look at all the people who are rulers of other countries -- 'they' are very much still here. They appear to be very sold out to sin.
I did Not 'give' God approval to save me -- The Holy Spirit convicted me of my sinfulness / need of salvation. I accepted His gift to me -- thanked Him for it. The Holy Spirit immediately came to indwell me. If THAT is making me 'one of the lucky ones', then I'm eternally gratefull.
How could THAT be a 'wicked' God cherry picking someone for heaven. Getting back to John 3:16 "For God so Loved the world, that He Gave..... that who so ever believeth. " Does THAT sound like what You are saying? I sincerely hope not.
Well -- If a couple do marry as unsaved people and one of them Does come to faith in Christ -- the unbelieving partner Does have the choice to either stay or leave. The believing spouse can't Scripturally require him, her to stay. If the unbelieving spouse chooses to Stay -- then the life of the believing spouse Can be what changes the heart of the other one. As he/ she reads their Bible and is a loving, gentle person / hopefully has Christian friends praying for them, then the unbeliever Has been known to accept Christ, Also. But they have Also been known to get aggrevated and abusive. One believing wife Did choose to stay with her unsaved drunken husband. She was begged to leave him for her own safety. She felt led to stay. One day her husband came home , drunk and abusive. He attacked her and killed her. Her pastor went to visit him in jail and later in prison. Turns out that when the husband was sober enough to realize what he'd done, he was horrified. After a while, the pastor was able to lead him to the Lord. He started reading his Bible in That setting and gradually other's Could see a difference in him -- started a Bible study with the men. A prison ministry started.
He stated that at least he would be joining her in heaven.
God does Not 'need' our approval to work in our hearts. He would that All would come to repentance and accept Him. But in His all-knowledge He knows who will and who won't. He's the only one who's had that knowledge from the beginning.
Every person born is a sinner. No one is born with a desire to know God. check out the book of Romans.
Free will is an absolute truth.
"If All God wanted was prayer........." Prayer is our talking with / to God. Of Course He wants us to talk with Him.
Brother Paul -- you're right. Family Can be Very cruel to us and sometimes we Do need to just leave it up to God. And That can be hard to do, Even believing relatives, sons, daughter who are not in fellowship can be cruel.
@KingJ -- your comment about those sold out to sin being either near death or in Hades right now. Not especially -- look at all the people who are rulers of other countries -- 'they' are very much still here. They appear to be very sold out to sin.
I did Not 'give' God approval to save me -- The Holy Spirit convicted me of my sinfulness / need of salvation. I accepted His gift to me -- thanked Him for it. The Holy Spirit immediately came to indwell me. If THAT is making me 'one of the lucky ones', then I'm eternally gratefull.
How could THAT be a 'wicked' God cherry picking someone for heaven. Getting back to John 3:16 "For God so Loved the world, that He Gave..... that who so ever believeth. " Does THAT sound like what You are saying? I sincerely hope not.
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Sometimes I think you take things literally, and if a person doesn't include every aspect at that time, you see it as wrong.
Move on, if you think you catch a plane to go to heaven you will miss out, now I am taking you literally.
Move on, the last time I had a conversation like this was with a person who had been a Christian nearly all their life. They couldn't see the other side, they knew what scripture says about the lost from a salvation point of view from God's Word, but had never been amongst the strong attitudes against what is called Bible Bashers, God's squad and much more.
They hadn't experienced a real spiritual battle, they liked the cozy security of a church, mixing with church people only, selective church people who see things as they do, even if they were church goers and not born again.
The battle is real brother, not just on paper, many not believers hate Christians who come over as righteous, they are quick to point out the errors or some of the more common ones. We belong to sin, the world or the devil, or to God, Father Son and Holy Spirit. Telling many none believers about scripture is like firing bullets, they don't believe, they don't want to believe, they think we live in cuckoo land not them.
To be able to touch a heart with scripture, with the salvation story, a heart has to be opening to the Holy Spirit, if it isn't they won't listen.
I was like that also, I come from a family of lost souls, I am the only saved soul in the larger family, my wife is getting their but it has taken almost 30 years of prayer. Other than than I was a voice crying in the wilderness, never giving up, and as long as I have breath I will not give up.
I have been through the mill both sides, I hated the vicars guts for the sexual abuse, three periods over two years, twice I broke away but went back when my brother and others always had cakes and sweets. Each time I thought it would not happen again, each time it did. I burnt his orchard down I hated him so much, no danger to anyone else just the orchard at the side of the vicarage. This followed in the problem years of family and home with a hate for the vicar, a hate for the church, Christianity and anyone who would so much as mention any of it or try introduce me to it.
Yes everyone is forgiven and I am saved, thanks be to God, welcome to the real world brother, we belong to Jesus or we belong to the devil, it is that clear. The devil does not want us to come to Christ, so hits us where it hurts, ourselves, our loved ones, our family, some more than others but as we know the devil knows our weakness.
Peace be with you.
Sometimes I think you take things literally, and if a person doesn't include every aspect at that time, you see it as wrong.
Move on, if you think you catch a plane to go to heaven you will miss out, now I am taking you literally.
Move on, the last time I had a conversation like this was with a person who had been a Christian nearly all their life. They couldn't see the other side, they knew what scripture says about the lost from a salvation point of view from God's Word, but had never been amongst the strong attitudes against what is called Bible Bashers, God's squad and much more.
They hadn't experienced a real spiritual battle, they liked the cozy security of a church, mixing with church people only, selective church people who see things as they do, even if they were church goers and not born again.
The battle is real brother, not just on paper, many not believers hate Christians who come over as righteous, they are quick to point out the errors or some of the more common ones. We belong to sin, the world or the devil, or to God, Father Son and Holy Spirit. Telling many none believers about scripture is like firing bullets, they don't believe, they don't want to believe, they think we live in cuckoo land not them.
To be able to touch a heart with scripture, with the salvation story, a heart has to be opening to the Holy Spirit, if it isn't they won't listen.
I was like that also, I come from a family of lost souls, I am the only saved soul in the larger family, my wife is getting their but it has taken almost 30 years of prayer. Other than than I was a voice crying in the wilderness, never giving up, and as long as I have breath I will not give up.
I have been through the mill both sides, I hated the vicars guts for the sexual abuse, three periods over two years, twice I broke away but went back when my brother and others always had cakes and sweets. Each time I thought it would not happen again, each time it did. I burnt his orchard down I hated him so much, no danger to anyone else just the orchard at the side of the vicarage. This followed in the problem years of family and home with a hate for the vicar, a hate for the church, Christianity and anyone who would so much as mention any of it or try introduce me to it.
Yes everyone is forgiven and I am saved, thanks be to God, welcome to the real world brother, we belong to Jesus or we belong to the devil, it is that clear. The devil does not want us to come to Christ, so hits us where it hurts, ourselves, our loved ones, our family, some more than others but as we know the devil knows our weakness.
Peace be with you.
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When this thread just opened I "identified " as a homosexual just as a result of confusion. I am not homosexual, I just feel like one.
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Hello Armin,
Thank-you for clarifying that for me. So, then, you understand what I have written to you?
Feelings can be very misleading, when we know that what we believe they are telling us is contrary to who we are in Christ Jesus. It doesn't matter what Science says if it contradicts what Scripture does say. We have enough studies on "eating eggs", "not eating eggs", then back to "eating eggs", and to give it one more study "don't eat eggs"! They are very similar to our feelings. They are based most times on something that does not include God's Truth. Many times they come from external influences, societal mores, and yes even specifically the Adversary.
Sometimes churches don't help either. Many want you to focus on the experience, and your feelings. Instead of how to manage them within the understanding of what you have learned from the Word of God. Meaning, the Word of God first, and then your feelings and even then if you must question something. Make it your feelings!
As Human Beings, we are not always the most rational when we let our emotions run wild, but in Christ Jesus we have one who is always in control. Bring it back to Him, and you will be an Overcomer my Brother!
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Hello Quantrill,
You're being banned from posting on this thread.
On the answer to your question. Contemplate while you are not taking the time formulating how you're going to reply on this thread.
John 3:16 and our Lord dying on the Cross.
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Hello Armin,
Sorry, I must show my ignorance. What is SSA?
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Hello Armin,
I'm assuming this was at an early age and before you knew the Lord as your Savior.
We could go on with this discussion, but I don't want you to get uncomfortable, and as you have noticed not everyone has the ability (yet), to show the Love of Christ to everyone.
Plus, though your words in general are part of this thread, it probably might be better to either communicate it in a PM (and any brother/sister who would like to join in), or even possibly in a couple of other forums with it's own thread.
Your choice my Brother.
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Actually I agree with you. I am not saying anyone is born with any psychological differences or anything like that. I do believe some people are more inclined that way than others, whether they were born that way or not.
But whether you think you were born that way or not, the fact remains... sin is sin. You can still make a choice not to be a slave to your own lustful desires.
1 Thes 4:3; For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality;
1 Thes 4:4; that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor,
1 Thes 4:5; not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God;
And Biblically -- whom ever is single - there is to be no physical sexual intimacy until marriage. And marriage is to be between one man and one woman.
Everyone else is to refrain. That's very straight forward. And biology 101 tells us how to create a baby.
Everyone else is to refrain. That's very straight forward. And biology 101 tells us how to create a baby.
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I would say "most" (no I don't have an exact scientific percentage) of the unsaved people that I mention God, Jesus, heaven or hell to... roll their eyes , then sigh, and ask me why I believe "that nonsense". If you don't believe there is a God or a hell.
there's nothing to be afraid of. There's nothing to gain. But there is a lot to lose, I might have to give up... (cursing, drinking, illicit sex, pornography, laziness, cheating, lying, gambling... fill in the blank) why should I give any of those things up if there is no God or no hell anyway?
Even some people who at least "say" they believe there could be a God, and or a hell... are skeptical. It "might" be true, but I'm not sure enough about it actually make any changes to my life style or even change my beliefs. My friends will think I'm weird. I'll be an outcast. My family will disown me.
There are "Christians" (I use the term loosely here) that have told them, they don't really have to be obedient, or repent, they can keep on sinning all they want.. all they have to do is "believe in Jesus". (a false teaching, but...)
But even then... well if it makes no difference how I act morally, then what difference does it make what I believe?
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