What If I'm Born Gay?

[KingJ]

@KingJSometimes I think you take things literally, and if a person doesn't include every aspect at that time, you see it as wrong.

Move on, if you think you catch a plane to go to heaven you will miss out, now I am taking you literally.

Move on, the last time I had a conversation like this was with a person who had been a Christian nearly all their life. They couldn't see the other side, they knew what scripture says about the lost from a salvation point of view from God's Word, but had never been amongst the strong attitudes against what is called Bible Bashers, God's squad and much more.

The plane analogy is a common one. It speaks to us needing to repent vs God taking us as we are. I take scripture on what pleases and displeases God literally, yes. Taking that any other way is playing with fire and miss-representing God.

The battle is real brother, not just on paper, many not believers hate Christians who come over as righteous, they are quick to point out the errors or some of the more common ones. We belong to sin, the world or the devil, or to God, Father Son and Holy Spirit. Telling many none believers about scripture is like firing bullets, they don't believe, they don't want to believe, they think we live in cuckoo land not them.

So I must come over as sinful? I am quick to point out error? Mortal sins are mortal sins. It is beyond me how some treat 'sin as sin'.

When we molly coddle those in grievous sin, we don't help them. We need to grasp Pro 27:6.

To be able to touch a heart with scripture, with the salvation story, a heart has to be opening to the Holy Spirit, if it isn't they won't listen.

How does a heart open? It opens when they see God's love and the error of their ways prompting them to repent and not abuse God's love.

When God visited Cain, did God say ''I want you to feel good about you and know that sin is sin, plucking a wing off a fly, murdering your brother cough cough''. Or did God say ''Cain, the floor is stained with the blood of Abel''.... what do you have to say for yourself?

I was like that also, I come from a family of lost souls, I am the only saved soul in the larger family, my wife is getting their but it has taken almost 30 years of prayer. Other than than I was a voice crying in the wilderness, never giving up, and as long as I have breath I will not give up.

Firstly sorry to hear. Praying for you. We need to clarify some things. Your wife is sanctified if she stays with you 1 Cor 7:14. The fact that she is with you (you being a devout Christian) says a lot.

I propose you reason with her and stop expecting something 'magical'. Sometimes Christians are too heavenly minded and expect a euphoric and very emotional change as a sign that they are now saved. All Jesus wants is for the sinner to ''hate'' what is evil Rom 12:9, Rom 7:15 and what follows that is simply ''I am sorry / repentance''. Psalm 51:17 makes it clear that God will not turn away a repentant sinner. The ''Christian'' part is God's doing. God reveals Jesus to someone. Not you or me or Sue. 1 Cor 12:3.

IYes everyone is forgiven and I am saved, thanks be to God, welcome to the real world brother, we belong to Jesus or we belong to the devil, it is that clear. The devil does not want us to come to Christ, so hits us where it hurts, ourselves, our loved ones, our family, some more than others but as we know the devil knows our weakness.

Can you see who's names are in the Lambs book of life? I can't. Only God can. Which means only God knows who is truly saved and who is not. Which means, you and I need to daily examine and judge ourselves. If we see ourselves continuing in sin that God ordained the death penalty for we should be terrified.

 

[KingJ]

When this thread just opened I "identified " as a homosexual just as a result of confusion. I am not homosexual, I just feel like one.

Armin, every person here if they are honest can relate to an immoral infatuation / attraction. Media bombards us with immoral thoughts.

I find Matt 24:22 interesting. It says '' for the elects sake He will shorten those days less none be saved''. For ''our'' sake He will shorten these last days. As the immorality around us is of such a degree that many of us will fall. I also think of Sodom. If we read Gen 18 we see that there were less then ten righteous in the city. What strikes me about that is the fact that corruption spread and everyone fell. Those good people and the not so bad all became grievous sinners. Tempted to become grievous sinners.

It is hard, but we need to encourage one another to 'hang in there'. Push on. Fast regularly. The bible does say more grace abounds where sin abounds Rom 5:20. We must just not abuse that context. It is to do with a sinful environment and not us being able to fall and fall into sin and still think we are ok with God.

My advice is to try and keep the fight to thoughts. Never let them materialize. We see in Matt 5:28 Jesus says adulterous thoughts are sin. But then we see in Matt 5:32 and Matt 19:9 that only actual adultery is grounds for divorce. So, lets avoid our thoughts materializing at all costs!

 

[Sue D.]

A person's heart is opened by the working of the Holy Spirit in their lives -- through Scripture -- through the prayers of those concerned about their salvation.

The example of Cain -- it was God / the Lord talking to him.

yes, but each person Must accept Jesus Christ as their Own Lord and Savior. 'My husband / wife' is Not the One who 'saves' us. And what about the unsaved spouse who Doesn't stick around. which happens lots of times, Also. I've known both a man and two women who've been Left by their unbelieving spouse.

I don't suppose that any believer is looking for anything 'magical' to happen with their unbelieving spouse. They Are very concerned for their spiritual, emotional condition. They Love that person would really like to have spiritual closeness with them.

Some people Do experience an emotional time at their time of salvation. And with other's , like Me , it's a very quiet , inner time taking place . the Holy Spirit speaking to our heart and the inner peace that results. That's how we know that we actually Are a 'new' believer.

God frequently uses other believers to guide us to Himself. It's called talking / sharing with the person.

 

[KingJ]

to hate the Sin, not the Sinner,

This is true. Even God does not hate a sinner. He communicates often with the devil. But the catch 22 is that the devil is cast out and will eternally be separated by his choice to love sin. I love every sinner. If I can, one day in heaven I will regularly visit those in hell and ensure they are fine. Well treated. Well fed. Healthy. God desires the same. But loving the sinner does not unfortunately result in them loving God.

This is why we cannot / must not blur what love for God is. We only stumble people further. Love is not a feeling. Love is not giving someone kisses. Love for God is doing Matt 16:24, Psalm 51:17, Rom 12:9, Rev 3:20. IE Hating what is evil and repenting truthfully.

People hate God because they love the darkness, evil deeds John 3:19.

....... the history of Christianity is pervaded by Hate and Intolerance leading to some of the worst horrors ever perpetrated by man

Such as? The Catholic inquisition stopped the mass slaughter of people. Under it just over 3 000 people died over 400 years. As opposed to 3 000 per month.

, ....... we really need to understand that lesson now more than ever, as the seeds of that same intolerance and hate again take root in many so called "civilised", God fearing Nations of the World.

If you are a homosexual in a Muslim country you do need to be concerned, yes. But in a Christian dominated country, you mostly live in peace. You get ''harassed'' only by people trying to save you from hell. To compare that to those wanting to throw you off a roof repeatedly until you cant walk is a gross miss representation and pure dishonesty.

 

[KingJ]

A person's heart is opened by the working of the Holy Spirit in their lives -- through Scripture -- through the prayers of those concerned about their salvation.

The example of Cain -- it was God / the Lord talking to him.

yes, but each person Must accept Jesus Christ as their Own Lord and Savior. 'My husband / wife' is Not the One who 'saves' us. And what about the unsaved spouse who Doesn't stick around. which happens lots of times, Also. I've known both a man and two women who've been Left by their unbelieving spouse.

I don't suppose that any believer is looking for anything 'magical' to happen with their unbelieving spouse. They Are very concerned for their spiritual, emotional condition. They Love that person would really like to have spiritual closeness with them.

Some people Do experience an emotional time at their time of salvation. And with other's , like Me , it's a very quiet , inner time taking place . the Holy Spirit speaking to our heart and the inner peace that results. That's how we know that we actually Are a 'new' believer.

God frequently uses other believers to guide us to Himself. It's called talking / sharing with the person.

Sue, you are making statements as though you did not read or grasp my post.

 

[Sue D.]

KingJ -- just because I don't accept word by word what your posts are saying, doesn't mean I don't read them. I read every word of Every post. I simply don't agree with your beliefs.

And every verse you ever use / share Are in Scripture -- no doubt about it -- but how the verses are Applied and the spirit in which they are Used Can / Does make a difference.

For instance, there are times when a believer Does marry an unbeliever -- therefore being unequally yoked / joined with an unbeliever Which is something we are told Not to do Because of the problems that usually do develop. And, sometimes the non-believer Will accept Christ as personal Savior. I saw That happen years ago in a small local church. BUT - the Non-believing spouse Can and many times Does influence the Believer towards unGodliness. Because the believer will want to satisfy the Non-believer rather than obeying God's Word and risk loosing the marriage.

You tend to apply Scriptures to fit your belief system -- You come across as a person who believes that as long as people agree With you that they are apparently applying Scripture the Correct way.

But I really don't intend to have a 'Scripture' fight with you.

 

[Brother-Paul]

sometimes the non-believer Will accept Christ as personal Savior. I saw That happen years ago in a small local church. BUT - the Non-believing spouse Can and many times Does influence the Believer towards unGodliness. Because the believer will want to satisfy the Non-believer rather than obeying God's Word and risk loosing the

I been there Sue D. It is so hard, especially when it comes to very probable to losing wife and children with all of them set against you.

Prayer was essential, praying and standing in faith equally so, claiming their salvation ahead of the family. Praying the blood of Christ for my protection and their, praying and believing, but learning to back off and keep mouth shut also. The devil loves it when we fight amongst ourselves, he encourages it like throwing petrol on a fire.

It hurts, it is scarey, but the key is giving it to God and leaving it with Him, it is not our fight, easy said but hard to put into practice. Never give in to the devil or his tricks. Remember God allows us to go through things for a reason, the reason is never clear at the time, but we end up helping others later.

God is Love, not as the world loves, God's love is Divine love, hesed/ stead fast love, unfailing love.

Thanks be to God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, In Jesus Name Amen

 

[Sue D.]

@Brother-Paul -- WoW -- I needed that. Especially your last paragraph. "It hurts, etc. " Dealing with my grown sons presently.

 

[Brother-Paul]

@Brother-Paul -- WoW -- I needed that. Especially your last paragraph. "It hurts, etc. " Dealing with my grown sons presently.

We are to encourage one another in Christ Jesus.

 

[Brother-Paul]

When this thread just opened I "identified " as a homosexual just as a result of confusion. I am not homosexual, I just feel like one.

Dear brother you say you are confused, your statement confirms this which is a concern my friend.

You say, I am not an homosexual but, you feel like one.

My first thought are, how can you feel like you are one, if you are not one. how do you know what one feels like?

Are you attracted to male's? Do you find male's attractive to you?

Do you have sexual thoughts about men, do you weigh them up so to speak?

Scripture tells us, rather warns us, if a man looks at a woman and has sexual thoughts, he has already committed adultery, the same applies of a woman looks at a man and has similar thoughts. The important think to consider here is not the fact it relates to adultery but to the sin. The same therefore applies if a person considers stealing, they are already guilty in their heart of carrying out the act.

So if you have thoughts of a sexual nature, for a man, you have already committed the sin in your heart. Is this why you think you are an homosexual Armin.

There are many other considerations and most are best if discussed with brothers by PM's.

Have you ever been sexually abused, I have by a vicar but for me it turned to hate for him, for the church, everything, it is interesting that those who counsel sexually abused people find the majority are prone to abuse others, or have sexual attractions as a result of the abuse they experienced, particularly if in their teens when they were finding their sexual feelings but ended up mixed up inside.

Please consider the above items, please consider talking to a brother in Christ for help, the devil tries to control our minds, he knows our weaknesses.

Pray for strength brother, pray the Lord will guide you, He will send His Holy Spirit to help, He is a master at it.

John 14:26-27 (NKJV)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

John 14:25-27 (NIV2011)
25 “All this I have spoken while still with you.
26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

John 14:25-27 (NJB)
25 I have said these things to you while still with you;
26 but the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything and remind you of all I have said to you.
27 Peace I bequeath to you, my own peace I give you, a peace which the world cannot give, this is my gift to you. Do not let your hearts be troubled or afraid.

God Bless you brother.

Peace be with you

 

[Armin]

Dear brother you say you are confused, your statement confirms this which is a concern my friend.

You say, I am not an homosexual but, you feel like one.

My first thought are, how can you feel like you are one, if you are not one. how do you know what one feels like?

Are you attracted to male's? Do you find male's attractive to you?

Do you have sexual thoughts about men, do you weigh them up so to speak?

Scripture tells us, rather warns us, if a man looks at a woman and has sexual thoughts, he has already committed adultery, the same applies of a woman looks at a man and has similar thoughts. The important think to consider here is not the fact it relates to adultery but to the sin. The same therefore applies if a person considers stealing, they are already guilty in their heart of carrying out the act.

So if you have thoughts of a sexual nature, for a man, you have already committed the sin in your heart. Is this why you think you are an homosexual Armin.

There are many other considerations and most are best if discussed with brothers by PM's.

Have you ever been sexually abused, I have by a vicar but for me it turned to hate for him, for the church, everything, it is interesting that those who counsel sexually abused people find the majority are prone to abuse others, or have sexual attractions as a result of the abuse they experienced, particularly if in their teens when they were finding their sexual feelings but ended up mixed up inside.

Please consider the above items, please consider talking to a brother in Christ for help, the devil tries to control our minds, he knows our weaknesses.

Pray for strength brother, pray the Lord will guide you, He will send His Holy Spirit to help, He is a master at it.

John 14:26-27 (NKJV)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

John 14:25-27 (NIV2011)
25 “All this I have spoken while still with you.
26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

John 14:25-27 (NJB)
25 I have said these things to you while still with you;
26 but the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything and remind you of all I have said to you.
27 Peace I bequeath to you, my own peace I give you, a peace which the world cannot give, this is my gift to you. Do not let your hearts be troubled or afraid.

God Bless you brother.

Peace be with you

Why would I be a homosexual if no one is born that way? I mean, I sometimes in my heart might be described that way, but I never physically act on it and am acting to combat even having thoughts like that in my mind.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Why would I be a homosexual if no one is born that way? I mean, I sometimes in my heart might be described that way, but I never physically act on it and am acting to combat even having thoughts like that in my mind.

Some people don't steal but find they are drawn to temptation and do so.

Some people have never killed anyone but get drawn in and do so.

Some people have never committed adultery, but are then tempted.

The devil finds out weak spots, then tempts us in a most cunning way.

I am sure Adam and Eve would say similar, they didn't expect to sin, imagine their guilt, the whole world punished because of their error. That makes your problem very small indeed Armin.

The devil is powerful brother, but never as powerful as God. Rebuke him in Jesus Name my friend. Tell him he has no rights over you. Pray protection through the blood of Christ and give it to Him in prayer, but, here is the big but, when you lay the problem at Jesus feet, in Faith, walk away, leave the problem with Him. Praise Him and give thanks, because you prayed it, you believe it, you stand in faith rejoicing. Jesus is Lord my friend, I join you in prayer, in agreement, in Jesus Name. Many brothers and sisters on here will join you in agreement in Jesus Name.

The devil has no right over you. Amen

In Jesus Name Amen.

 

[Armin]

Some people don't steal but find they are drawn to temptation and do so.

Some people have never killed anyone but get drawn in and do so.

Some people have never committed adultery, but are then tempted.

The devil finds out weak spots, then tempts us in a most cunning way.

I am sure Adam and Eve would say similar, they didn't expect to sin, imagine their guilt, the whole world punished because of their error. That makes your problem very small indeed Armin.

The devil is powerful brother, but never as powerful as God. Rebuke him in Jesus Name my friend. Tell him he has no rights over you. Pray protection through the blood of Christ and give it to Him in prayer, but, here is the big but, when you lay the problem at Jesus feet, in Faith, walk away, leave the problem with Him. Praise Him and give thanks, because you prayed it, you believe it, you stand in faith rejoicing. Jesus is Lord my friend, I join you in prayer, in agreement, in Jesus Name. Many brothers and sisters on here will join you in agreement in Jesus Name.

The devil has no right over you. Amen

In Jesus Name Amen.

Well I appreciate your prayers.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Well I appreciate your prayers.

Do you see the devil is picking on a weak point in your life, he is confusing you.

My prayers for you are minimal Armin unless you stand in faith with other believers in prayer and agree in Jesus Name.

What would you like prayer for to help solve the issues you are concerned about.

We would love to pray with you, praying 'in agreement, in Jesus Name' is so important.

Our hearts are reaching out to you, and hurting, but unless we know your wishes, in accordance with God's Word we are limited, which gives the devil a bigger playground in your life.

In his Love.

Peace be with you Armin

 

[Armin]

Do you see the devil is picking on a weak point in your life, he is confusing you.

My prayers for you are minimal Armin unless you stand in faith with other believers in prayer and agree in Jesus Name.

What would you like prayer for to help solve the issues you are concerned about.

We would love to pray with you, praying 'in agreement, in Jesus Name' is so important.

Our hearts are reaching out to you, and hurting, but unless we know your wishes, in accordance with God's Word we are limited, which gives the devil a bigger playground in your life.

In his Love.

Peace be with you Armin

I want to pray for the awareness of when I'm being attacked, so I can avoid doing the wrong thing.

 

[KingJ]

Why would I be a homosexual if no one is born that way? I mean, I sometimes in my heart might be described that way, but I never physically act on it and am acting to combat even having thoughts like that in my mind.

Just some food for thought. Pedophiles are using the exact same 'scientific' argument homosexuals use for being 'born that way'. You can Google it.

We are all born in a weak flesh. Christianity 101 is to put the flesh under. Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

 

[Brother-Paul]

I want to pray for the awareness of when I'm being attacked, so I can avoid doing the wrong thing.

Greetings @Armin

I have looked back at the comments you have made brother, you say you think you are an homosexual but you are not, I read also that you have not committed the act, so you have not sinned, so far so good. But you appear to be drawn to it in your heart, these thought are sin the same as the passage supplied yesterday regarding committing adultery in the heart.

I think on one post you mentioned media, now that would add up if that is what you said. Television is the biggest SIN box going, it started as a friend in the room, very polite, no sex, clean jokes etc. Gradually all these things and more crept in, each one pushing the boundaries further until we get where we are today, sex, violence, swearing, filth, etc, etc. But as these have progressed something else happened, the camera men (or women) started to film people from the head to the crutch and from the feet to the crutch, this pulls the eyes of the viewer, you guessed it to the crutch. I watch very little TV because of this, and the items mentioned. The problem for the viewer, who does not want to be drawn this way, has little option as it happen when you least expect it, it happens in almost all programs. All I watch on TV now are, nature programs, formula 1 and the news. Sadly what I have said happens on formula 1 also. I hate how they do this, I also hate is when they talk of the racing god's!

There was a program on TV many years ago, it included a man and a woman in different rooms, they wired them up to monitor them, then one by one they allowed people to come into the room they were in, at different intervals, in every case the eyes of the person in the room looked at the crutch of the person coming in, men or women it didn't seem to matter. Most made eye contact first and then looked down below, but everyone did so as a person came into the room. Just to clarify the person on the room was sat down so it was only monitored one way.

So with this experiment it is clear to see we all look at another person's body parts if I may word it that way, looking is not a sin, taking a second look or not taking your eyes off straight away, or looking for more detail is SIN.

We want to pray for you my friend, but to do so we need you to help us. You say you would like prayer for awareness of when you are being attacked.
- You have the awareness at that first look

As for knowing when the attack will happen as stated above you won't get one, the devil is more cunning that we are Armin, We will always find the sins mixed in with the good, everywhere. Take TV, there may be a reasonable program on that seems we would like to watch, 90% is a good clean story, then the sin comes in. I think women are more vulnerable than men in this instance, they like soaps, chat shows, etc. They watch them and say but 90% is fine so I watch it is not all filth, killing etc.

We each have a choice, we can watch these things or chose not to, we can always turn the TV or film off, but so often the story line runs and we want to know the ending.

I look at SIN as a poison, if someone gives you a glass of cool water you would drink it, if a person cut themselves and just one small drop of blood entered the water, would you still drink it? I think not, I wouldn't. Sin is like that, the poison or blood is mixed into the clean water.

I am not sure you need prayer for awareness of when you are being attached Armin, I feel from what you have said, correct me if I am wrong, you need prayer for spiritual awareness and for strength to 'overcome' these sinful desires.

Please let us know so we can pray according to your needs my friend, if the items stated don't cover or fully cover your situation, please let us know, we will stand in faith with you, we will rebuke the devil, he has no rights over any saved soul, we will stand in agreement with you and give the Glory to God, in Jesus Name. Amen.

 

[Brother-Paul]

The plane analogy is a common one. It speaks to us needing to repent vs God taking us as we are. I take scripture on what pleases and displeases God literally, yes.
1 - So I must come over as sinful? I am quick to point out error? Mortal sins are mortal sins. It is beyond me how some treat 'sin as sin'.

2 - When we molly coddle those in grievous sin, we don't help them. We need to grasp Pro 27:6.

3 - How does a heart open? It opens when they see God's love and the error of their ways prompting them to repent and not abuse God's love.

When God visited Cain, did God say ''I want you to feel good about you and know that sin is sin, plucking a wing off a fly, murdering your brother cough cough''. Or did God say ''Cain, the floor is stained with the blood of Abel''.... what do you have to say for yourself?

4 - Firstly sorry to hear. Praying for you. We need to clarify some things. Your wife is sanctified if she stays with you 1 Cor 7:14. The fact that she is with you (you being a devout Christian) says a lot.

I propose you reason with her and stop expecting something 'magical'. Sometimes Christians are too heavenly minded and expect a euphoric and very emotional change as a sign that they are now saved. All Jesus wants is for the sinner to ''hate'' what is evil Rom 12:9, Rom 7:15 and what follows that is simply ''I am sorry / repentance''. Psalm 51:17 makes it clear that God will not turn away a repentant sinner. The ''Christian'' part is God's doing. God reveals Jesus to someone. Not you or me or Sue. 1 Cor 12:3.

I understand what you are saying brother, but it is often the manner in which you say things.

In a reply only your statement shown not the statement made that you replied to. This doesn't help when clarifying certain items said, like now, so I number your replies and comment briefly on them if I may.

1 - A comment may be made, it may be a general statement, you reply to the statement then go to the extremes of your statement quoting things that were not mentioned.

2 - No body was molly coddling or suggesting molly coddling those in grievous sin,
I said... Telling many none believers about scripture is like firing bullets, they don't believe, they don't want to believe, they think we live in cuckoo land not them.
We don't molly coddle them, we pray first, we tell them about the sin, then if barriers are up we back off and leave it at the Lord's feet.

3 - I said To be able to touch a heart with scripture, with the salvation story, a heart has to be opening to the Holy Spirit, if it isn't they won't listen.
If they are in total rejection, none believers don't want to listen, they don't want to be preached to, we make the point, and stand off leaving it with the Lord, if there are cracks in their vessel the Holy Spirit will penetrate. But one person's prayers are usually not enough, a word from what was said may be remembered later, and another person has the same issue, but a word may just touch them, a hard shell takes some penetrating but nothing is to hard for God. The Holy Spirit finds the cracks and starts work on them, the seeds were planted, with continued prayers, in faith, it will grow.but it is God's Speed brother.

4 - You kindly ask... Firstly sorry to hear. Praying for you. We need to clarify some things. Your wife is sanctified if she stays with you 1 Cor 7:14. The fact that she is with you (you being a devout Christian) says a lot.

I am sure I have confirmed this earlier, probably another thread, yes she is, and from a very early stage in the spiritual battle. As the husband, I stood in Faith that, I was/am the spiritual head of the family, I claimed their protection through the blood of Christ, for them and for me, I claim my wife's salvation in Jesus Name, I claim our children's salvation in Jesus Name. The rest is up to the Lord, God's speed.

Peace be with you brother.

 

[Armin]

Greetings @Armin

I have looked back at the comments you have made brother, you say you think you are an homosexual but you are not, I read also that you have not committed the act, so you have not sinned, so far so good. But you appear to be drawn to it in your heart, these thought are sin the same as the passage supplied yesterday regarding committing adultery in the heart.

I think on one post you mentioned media, now that would add up if that is what you said. Television is the biggest SIN box going, it started as a friend in the room, very polite, no sex, clean jokes etc. Gradually all these things and more crept in, each one pushing the boundaries further until we get where we are today, sex, violence, swearing, filth, etc, etc. But as these have progressed something else happened, the camera men (or women) started to film people from the head to the crutch and from the feet to the crutch, this pulls the eyes of the viewer, you guessed it to the crutch. I watch very little TV because of this, and the items mentioned. The problem for the viewer, who does not want to be drawn this way, has little option as it happen when you least expect it, it happens in almost all programs. All I watch on TV now are, nature programs, formula 1 and the news. Sadly what I have said happens on formula 1 also. I hate how they do this, I also hate is when they talk of the racing god's!

There was a program on TV many years ago, it included a man and a woman in different rooms, they wired them up to monitor them, then one by one they allowed people to come into the room they were in, at different intervals, in every case the eyes of the person in the room looked at the crutch of the person coming in, men or women it didn't seem to matter. Most made eye contact first and then looked down below, but everyone did so as a person came into the room. Just to clarify the person on the room was sat down so it was only monitored one way.

So with this experiment it is clear to see we all look at another person's body parts if I may word it that way, looking is not a sin, taking a second look or not taking your eyes off straight away, or looking for more detail is SIN.

We want to pray for you my friend, but to do so we need you to help us. You say you would like prayer for awareness of when you are being attacked.
- You have the awareness at that first look

As for knowing when the attack will happen as stated above you won't get one, the devil is more cunning that we are Armin, We will always find the sins mixed in with the good, everywhere. Take TV, there may be a reasonable program on that seems we would like to watch, 90% is a good clean story, then the sin comes in. I think women are more vulnerable than men in this instance, they like soaps, chat shows, etc. They watch them and say but 90% is fine so I watch it is not all filth, killing etc.

We each have a choice, we can watch these things or chose not to, we can always turn the TV or film off, but so often the story line runs and we want to know the ending.

I look at SIN as a poison, if someone gives you a glass of cool water you would drink it, if a person cut themselves and just one small drop of blood entered the water, would you still drink it? I think not, I wouldn't. Sin is like that, the poison or blood is mixed into the clean water.

I am not sure you need prayer for awareness of when you are being attached Armin, I feel from what you have said, correct me if I am wrong, you need prayer for spiritual awareness and for strength to 'overcome' these sinful desires.

Please let us know so we can pray according to your needs my friend, if the items stated don't cover or fully cover your situation, please let us know, we will stand in faith with you, we will rebuke the devil, he has no rights over any saved soul, we will stand in agreement with you and give the Glory to God, in Jesus Name. Amen.

Yes this all sounds good. I would appreciate that kind of prayer.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

My prayers for you are minimal Armin unless you stand in faith with other believers in prayer and agree in Jesus Name.

Very True and yet agreeing in Faith is not going to do much if he does nothing to combat these Feelings and Such.

He Will have to take All thoughts which include feelings and emotions captive and make them submit or compatible to the Word of God.

This means Speaking Gods Word and Replacing these things with Gods Word.

In the end all our praying and agreeing really won't matter if he does not Fight His Fight.

As long as he keeps saying I Have then that's what he will have.

Blessings and Love in Christ