What is Grace? Is it what we think?

[Bendito]

I don't wish it...you did!! Have a blessed day!

Whatever

 

[Born Again 2004]

Hey brother, I believe you started this conversation with an English lesson. I think the there is a human venacular and a God venacular that he wrote one time for all!

 

[Bendito]

Hey brother, I believe you started this conversation with an English lesson. I think the there is a human venacular and a God venacular that he wrote one time for all!

Its probable that you are completely misusing the word 'vernacular'. Why don't you try saying what you have to say using a different word?

 

[Born Again 2004]

No thanks, it is your wotd besides, I have a feeling you know what I mean...your just looking for an argument and I won't take the bait...have a great day!

 

[Bendito]

No thanks, it is your wotd besides, I have a feeling you know what I mean...your just looking for an argument and I won't take the bait...have a great day!

What is your problem? You say something dumb and won't even clarify it. You use the wrong words and cause confusion about what you're talking about and get all gassy when someone talks about it. Maybe you should lay off the coffee.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Gentlemen @Born Again 2004 @Bendito

Your individual vernaculars are becoming somewhat snappy towards each other, and it does not read too well....please post in love rather than in what comes across as frustration.

I believe the Lord has and will always preserve His word.
Man will seek to change it through translation.

Vernacular being dialect or mother tongue is perhaps not the correct usage of the word in your dialogue here Born Again 2004 as Bendito you have stated.


Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in Thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
Psalm 19:14

 

[Chad]

Thank you sister @Fragrant Grace

Fellas, keep it respectful. That’s the rule here and be an example like Christ. He’s watching you, knows your hearts. Keep it humble.

 

[Dave M]

Group hug

 

[Born Again 2004]

Gentlemen @Born Again 2004 @Bendito

Your individual vernaculars are becoming somewhat snappy towards each other, and it does not read too well....please post in love rather than in what comes across as frustration.

I believe the Lord has and will always preserve His word.
Man will seek to change it through translation.

Vernacular being dialect or mother tongue is perhaps not the correct usage of the word in your dialogue here Born Again 2004 as Bendito you have stated.


Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in Thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
Psalm 19:14

I appreciate the warning and will work to improve but, as "venacular" goes and the correlation with to the word of God, I stand by what I said. I don't care what your venacular, dialect or mother tongue is and I hope your have a Bible translated in you native tongue, the Bible transcends all of that!

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings all,

I first used the term 'vernacular' and it may be that i used the wrong word.

Please forgive me for any misunderstanding that has arisen from that.

Some of you might have had an idea about what i meant but the use of the word 'Vernacular' is/was not the right word to use!

If we could please exit the use of the word vernacular on this thread and if one desires start an English lesson on another page/forum, for those interested, please do.

I shall see if i can correct the word used and use a more better one!!!



Bless you all.... post in peace ....to the Glory of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Born Again 2004]

Greetings all,

I first used the term 'vernacular' and it may be that i used the wrong word.

Please forgive me for any misunderstanding that has arisen from that.

Some of you might have had an idea about what i meant but the use of the word 'Vernacular' is/was not the right word to use!

If we could please exit the use of the word vernacular on this thread and if one desires start an English lesson on another page/forum, for those interested, please do.

I shall see if i can correct the word used and use a more better one!!!



Bless you all.... post in peace ....to the Glory of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ

Maybe a thread on why God's word is supreme to any language or dialect of Man's. Surely, that is something we can all agree and be at peace with!?

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Maybe a thread on why God's word is supreme to any language or dialect of Man's. Surely, that is something we can all agree and be at peace with!?

that's a good idea... go for it!


Bless you ....><>

 

[Born Again 2004]

Greetings,



that's a good idea... go for it!


Bless you ....><>

No thanks.There just seemed to be some confusion on the subject. I totally agree with with my thoughts and felt like most would also agree and just suggested a separate thread if that would help...I have no desire to do so myself.... Blessings!

 

[B-A-C]

This is a little humorous, but it does a good job of showing "vernacular".

 

[Born Again 2004]

This is a little humorous, but it does a good job of showing "vernacular".

This is a little humorous, but it does a good job of showing "vernacular".

• Glad it is funny to you.. at least that is something. ..better than being referred to as dumb!
• let me ask you a question please..when God's words were formed, do you think it was in a particular venacular or dialect?

 

[B-A-C]

• Glad it is funny to you.. at least that is something. ..better than being referred to as dumb!

• let me ask you a question please..when God's words were formed, do you think it was in a particular venacular or dialect?

I honestly do not know. But the words had to have meaning, even if He was the only one who understood. ( Heb 11:3; )
The word "dialect" assumes understanding. I can understand a certain dialect, but I cannot understand other dialects.
The difference between dialect and vernacular is... one is a language that is not my native tongue. In my case American English.
Vernacular also assumes understanding. But vernacular is in my native tongue, but even so, the words may be too complicated or sophisticated
for me to understand, even if they are said in English.

The written Word was originally in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. A lot of times in the Bible it says... "it is written". ( over 90 times )
In order for it to be written in a language that men "understand". It has to be written in a specific language. It also has to be written with a
certain vernacular.

God Himself created the different languages we speak. ( Gen 11:1-9; )
But still all through the Bible God says people hear, but they do not understand. Job 17:4; Isa 6:10; Isa 52:15; Isa 57:1; Matt 13:13-15; Matt 13:19;
Matt 22:29; Mark 4:12; Acts 28:26; etc...
In John 8:43; Jesus asks the Jews... why don't you understand me? He asks the disciples the same thing in Mark 4:13;
Mark 9:32; says they didn't understand something He said. ( Luke 2:50; )
Sometimes the word of God is "concealed" from us. Luke 9:45;
Sometimes these things are revealed to us later. John 12:16;

There are over 30 English Bibles I am aware of. (There may be more). But they all have different wording. The meaning is usually (not always)
the same. It comes down to how the words were interpreted. You and I can hear the words, at the same time, from the same person...
but we might interpret them differently. It doesn't necessarily mean one of us is dumb or unintelligent, just that we interpret words differently.

1 Cor 13:1; seem to indicate that angels have a language they speak that is different from the language of men.
I think it's very unlikely that God spoke English when He spoke creation into existence, but I suppose it's possible.

We might be able to discern unwritten things by the Holy Spirit. We might even be able to discern written things by the Holy Spirit. ( John 14:26; )
But how many times have you heard two Christians claiming to be led by the Spirit opposing each other?
God is not the author of confusion - 1 Cor 14:33; but even so... many do not understand.

 

[Born Again 2004]

I guess my answer is in there somewhere? I mostly use and cross reference several Bibles and I find one common thread....the basic gospel is the same.

 

[Bendito]

"The proper context for interpreting the Bible is the context of the biblical writers - the context that produced the Bible. Every other context is alien to the biblical writers and, therefore, to the Bible. Yet there is a pervasive tendency in the believing Church to filter the Bible through creeds, confessions, and denominational preferences."

 

[Born Again 2004]

"The proper context for interpreting the Bible is the context of the biblical writers - the context that produced the Bible. Every other context is alien to the biblical writers and, therefore, to the Bible. Yet there is a pervasive tendency in the believing Church to filter the Bible through creeds, confessions, and denominational preferences."

No, the context that produced the Bible brother was God and God alone!

• John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
• You do believe that right?

 

[Bendito]

No, the context that produced the Bible brother was God and God alone!

• John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
• You do believe that right?

Did I say otherwise? Who showed the writers what to write? Who dictated it? Stop arguing ask the Holy Spirit to show you what people are trying to share.