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What is... the "church"?

ἐκκλησία Church:

ekklēsía; gen. ekklēsías, fem. noun from ékklētos (n.f.), called out, which is from ekkaléō (n.f.), to call out. It was a common term for a congregation of the ekklētoí (n.f.), the called people, or those called out or assembled in the public affairs of a free state, the body of free citizens called together by a herald (kḗrux [G2783]) which constituted the ekklēsía. In the NT, the word is applied to the congregation of the people of Israel (Act_7:38). On the other hand, of the two terms used in the OT, sunagōgḗ (G4864) seems to have been used to designate the people from Israel in distinction from all other nations (Act_13:43 [cf. Mat_4:23; Mat_6:2; Jas_2:2; Rev_2:9; Rev_3:9]).

In Heb_10:25, however, when the gathering of Christians is referred to, it is called not sunagōgḗ, but episunagōgḗ (G1997), with the prep. epí (G1909), upon, translated "the assembling . . . together." The Christian community was designated for the first time as the ekklēsía to differentiate it from the Jewish community, sunagōgḗ (Act_2:47 [TR]). The term ekklēsía denotes the NT community of the redeemed in its twofold aspect. First, all who were called by and to Christ in the fellowship of His salvation, the church worldwide of all times, and only secondarily to an individual church (Mat_16:18; Act_2:44, Act_2:47; Act_9:31; 1Co_6:4; 1Co_12:28; 1Co_14:4-5, 1Co_14:12; Php_3:6; Col_1:18, Col_1:24).

Designated as the church of God (1Co_10:32; 1Co_11:22; 1Co_15:9; Gal_1:13; 1Ti_3:5, 1Ti_3:15); the body of Christ (Eph_1:22; Col_1:18); the church in Jesus Christ (Eph_3:21;); exclusively the entire church (Eph_1:22; Eph_3:10, Eph_3:21; Eph_5:23-25, Eph_5:27, Eph_5:29, Eph_5:32; Heb_12:23). Secondly, the NT churches, however, are also confined to particular places (Rom_16:5; 1Co_1:2; 1Co_16:19; 2Co_1:1; Col_4:15; 1Th_2:14; Phm_1:2); to individual local churches (Act_8:1; Act_11:22; Rom_16:1; 1Th_1:1; 2Th_1:1). Ekklēsía does not occur in the gospels of Mark, Luke, John, nor the epistles of 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 and 2 John, or Jude.

(I) Of persons legally called out or summoned (Act_19:39, of the people); and hence also of a tumultuous assembly not necessarily legal (Act_19:32, Act_19:41). In the Jewish sense, a congregation, assembly of the people for worship, e.g., in a synagogue (Mat_18:17) or generally (Act_7:38; Heb_2:12 quoted from Psa_22:22; Sept.: Deu_18:16; 2Ch_1:3, 2Ch_1:5).

(II) In the Christian sense, an assembly of Christians, generally (1Co_11:18, a church, the Christian church).
(A) A particular church, e.g., in Jerusalem (Act_8:1; Act_11:22); Antioch (Act_11:26; Act_13:1); Corinth (1Co_1:2; 2Co_1:1); Asia Minor (1Co_16:19); Galatia (Gal_1:2); Thessalonica (1Th_1:1; 2Th_1:1); Cenchrea (Rom_16:1). Also, "the churches of the nations" (a.t.) means churches of Gentile Christians (Rom_16:4); the church which meets at the house of someone (Rom_16:5; 1Co_16:19; Phm_1:2); the churches of Christ (Rom_16:16); the church of God at Corinth (1Co_1:2).

(B) The church universal (Mat_16:18; 1Co_12:28; Gal_1:13; Eph_1:22; Eph_3:10; Heb_12:23); church of God (1Co_10:32; 1Co_11:22; 1Co_15:9; 1Ti_3:15 [cf. in the Sept. the church of the Lord {Deu_23:2, 3}]).
(III) The word ekklēsía is nowhere used of heathen religious assemblies in Scripture. In the OT, two different words are used to denote gatherings of the chosen people or their representatives: edah (H5712) meaning congregation and qahal (H6951), assembly. In the Sept., sunagōgḗ (G4864) is the usual translation of edah while qahal is commonly rendered ekklēsía.

Both qahal and ekklēsía by their derivation indicate calling or summoning to a place of meeting, but there is no foundation for the widespread notion that ekklēsía means a people or a number of individual men called out of the world or mankind. Qahal or ekklēsía is the more sacred term denoting the people in relation to Jehovah, especially in public worship. Perhaps for this very reason, the less sacred term sunagōgḗ was more commonly used by the Jews in our Lord's time, and probably influenced the first believers in adopting ekklēsía for Christian use.

Sunagōgḗ, though used in the early church as a syn. for ekklēsía (Jas_2:2), quickly went out of use for a Christian assembly, except in sects which were more Jewish than Christian. Owing to the growing hostility of the Jews, it came to indicate opposition to the church (Rev_2:9; Rev_3:9). Ekklēsía, therefore, at once suggests the new people of God, the new Israel.

(IV) The terms "the kingdom of God" and "the church" are distinguished in Scripture. The kingdom appears to be a reign rather than a realm, which the church is. These two ideas, however, are complementary, the one implying the other. Sometimes it is hardly possible to distinguish between them. It may be true that by the words "the kingdom of God," our Lord means not so much His disciples, whether individually or as a collective body, but something which they receive or a state upon which they enter. At the same time, the whole history of the growth of the idea of the kingdom led, naturally, to the belief that the kingdom of God about which Christ taught would be expressed and realized in a society. His kingdom is visibly represented in His church, and the church is the kingdom of heaven insofar as it has already come, and it prepares for the kingdom as it is to come in glory. See basileía (G932), kingdom.

From, "The Complete Word Study" Concordance.
 
Church, The

Believers baptized into, by one Spirit. 1 Cor. 12:13.

Believers continually added by the Lord. Acts 2:47; 5:14; 11:24.

Belongs to God. 1 Tim. 3:15.

As body of Christ. Eph. 1:23; Col. 1:24.

Christ, the foundation stone of. 1 Cor. 3:11; Eph. 2:20; 1 Pet. 2:4, 6.

Christ, the head of. Eph. 1:22; 5:23.

Clothed in righteousness. Rev. 19:8.

Defiling of, will be punished. 1 Cor. 3:17.

Displays the wisdom of God. Eph. 3:10.

Elect. 1 Pet. 5:13.

Extent of, predicted. Isa. 2:2; Ezek. 17:22-24; Dan. 2:34-35; Hab. 2:14.

Glorious. Ps. 45:13; Eph. 5:27.

Glory to be ascribed to God by. Eph. 3:21.

God defends. Ps. 89:18; Isa. 4:5; 49:25; Matt. 16:18.

God provides ministers for. Jer. 3:15; Eph. 4:11-12.

Is edified by the Word. 1 Cor. 14:4, 13; Eph. 4:15-16.

Loved by Christ. Song of Sol. 7:10; Eph. 5:25.

Ministers commanded to feed. Acts 20:28.

Not to be despised. 1 Cor. 11:22.

Object of the grace of God. Isa. 27:3; 2 Cor. 8:1.

Persecuted by the wicked. Acts 8:1-3; 1 Thess. 2:14-15.

Purchased by the blood of Christ. Acts 20:28; Eph. 5:25; Heb. 9:12.

Sanctified and cleansed by Christ. 1 Cor. 6:11; Eph. 5:26-27.

Shows forth the praises of God. Isa. 60:6.

Subject to Christ. Rom. 7:4; Eph. 5:24.

Unity of. Rom. 12:5; 1 Cor. 10:17; 12:12; Gal. 3:28.

Holman Concise Topical Concordance.
 
Church, The

Believers baptized into, by one Spirit. 1 Cor. 12:13.

Believers continually added by the Lord. Acts 2:47; 5:14; 11:24.

Belongs to God. 1 Tim. 3:15.

As body of Christ. Eph. 1:23; Col. 1:24.

Christ, the foundation stone of. 1 Cor. 3:11; Eph. 2:20; 1 Pet. 2:4, 6.

Christ, the head of. Eph. 1:22; 5:23.

Clothed in righteousness. Rev. 19:8.

Defiling of, will be punished. 1 Cor. 3:17.

Displays the wisdom of God. Eph. 3:10.

Elect. 1 Pet. 5:13.

Extent of, predicted. Isa. 2:2; Ezek. 17:22-24; Dan. 2:34-35; Hab. 2:14.

Glorious. Ps. 45:13; Eph. 5:27.

Glory to be ascribed to God by. Eph. 3:21.

God defends. Ps. 89:18; Isa. 4:5; 49:25; Matt. 16:18.

God provides ministers for. Jer. 3:15; Eph. 4:11-12.

Is edified by the Word. 1 Cor. 14:4, 13; Eph. 4:15-16.

Loved by Christ. Song of Sol. 7:10; Eph. 5:25.

Ministers commanded to feed. Acts 20:28.

Not to be despised. 1 Cor. 11:22.

Object of the grace of God. Isa. 27:3; 2 Cor. 8:1.

Persecuted by the wicked. Acts 8:1-3; 1 Thess. 2:14-15.

Purchased by the blood of Christ. Acts 20:28; Eph. 5:25; Heb. 9:12.

Sanctified and cleansed by Christ. 1 Cor. 6:11; Eph. 5:26-27.

Shows forth the praises of God. Isa. 60:6.

Subject to Christ. Rom. 7:4; Eph. 5:24.

Unity of. Rom. 12:5; 1 Cor. 10:17; 12:12; Gal. 3:28.

Master Study Bible: The Cornerstone Topical Concordance.

Two references I hadn't realised they were identical till I had posted them
 
G1577 is very clear, the church is only saved souls, born again from above souls, no one unsaved soul.
You keep saying it's clear, but you're not giving me anything to show that what you say is true. What convinced you that there are only saved soul in the congregation?
 
You keep saying it's clear, but you're not giving me anything to show that what you say is true. What convinced you that there are only saved soul in the congregation?


The Church translates ekklesia, congregation called out G1577

The part of a saved unsaved congregation that is the church, is the born again from above, called out, saved souls.

Many places of worship include saved and unsaved in their congregation, they think all are the church, this is not true to scripture, only the saved souls are the church, the ekklesia, as translated from Strongs dictionary G1577

Saved souls are the ekklesia, the body of Christ the church, our Lord's church.
 
The Church translates ekklesia, congregation called out G1577

The part of a saved unsaved congregation that is the church, is the born again from above, called out, saved souls.

Many places of worship include saved and unsaved in their congregation, they think all are the church, this is not true to scripture, only the saved souls are the church, the ekklesia, as translated from Strongs dictionary G1577

Saved souls are the ekklesia, the body of Christ the church, our Lord's church.
I know what you believe about the church. I don't know the basis for your belief though. The 'called out' element in the word ekklesia has nothing to do with souls. We've been over this ground before.
 
Or... whenever I see the word "or" it tells me something can be two ways or have two meanings.

G1577
ἐκκλησία
ekklēsia
ek-klay-see'-ah
From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.
Total KJV occurrences: 115

According to Strongs...
the ekklesia is... a calling out, a meeting, a religious congregation, a synagogue, a Christian community (which was the purpose of this thread) of saints on the Earth, saints in heaven, or both.
I see it is at least seven different things, depending what context it's written in. I don't disagree with Brother Paul says, but that isn't the only definition. It can even be a synagogue.
We get too hung up on a word only having one meaning.

G4864
συναγωγή
sunagōgē
soon-ag-o-gay'
From (the reduplicated form of) G4863; an assemblage of persons; specifically a Jewish “synagogue” (the meeting or the place); by analogy a Christian church: - assembly, congregation, synagogue.
Total KJV occurrences: 57

According to Strongs.... a synagogue can be a Christian church.

Usually two words are used for "temple" in the Greek.

ναός
naos
nah-os'
From a primary word ναίω naiō (to dwell); a fane, shrine, temple: - shrine, temple. Compare G2411.
Total KJV occurrences: 46

G2413
ἱερός
hieros
hee-er-os'
Of uncertain affinity; sacred: - holy.
Total KJV occurrences: 2
 
I know what you believe about the church. I don't know the basis for your belief though. The 'called out' element in the word ekklesia has nothing to do with souls. We've been over this ground before.


The 'calling out' is referring to the calling out of the church, the ekklesia, which is made up of born gain from above souls.
 
We all should be very carefull, The Devil is always "Thrilled" when "True Christians" are caught in a "Loop"! Demons just sit there and watch the "Carousel". "Be very careful when Christian truths has been debated and settled for over 15 hundred years ago and have been documented and reviewed, and have been considered "Sound" with A capital "S". "For him that have understanding, let him understand for what I have just said":pensive:
 
Matt 22:2-14

2 “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son. 3 And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come. 4 Again he sent out other slaves saying, ‘Tell those who have been invited, “Behold, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and my fattened livestock are all butchered and everything is ready; come to the wedding feast.”’ 5 But they paid no attention and went their way, one to his own farm, another to his business, 6 and the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them. 7 But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire. 8 Then he *said to his slaves, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9 Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there, invite to the wedding feast.’ 10 Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests.


11 “But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, 12 and he *said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless. 13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”


Tell me oh wise ones, who is the man without wedding clothes? Will you weep and gnash your teeth in sorrow over him in the outer darkness? Or will you give honor to the groom at the wedding of the Lamb?
 
Brad, what are you talking about, and where are trying to Go , blubbering around like a grade school kindergarten. How long have you been "Saved"? And why are you still talking about grade school biblical blabbering? That is a question for your information. Now how about that "wisdom"! For multiple choice! And you better not go in a corner and cry! Because if you do, I am going to put a "Dunce cap" on your head and place you on tall chair! Hello are you still there? That is a question too!
 
Hey, Brad, I figure I would wake everybody up! And you needed some excitement in your life too, To see if you are still in the faith too! Are you still feeling the "love of God" in your life? And are you still feeling the love for me, " and they shall know them by the love they have for one another". :love: You know I am not perfect, right?:p

PS. That was a question.
 
who is the man without wedding clothes?

Good question.. if Matt 22:2; says "the kingdom heaven can be compared to....". Why is a man who is "not dressed in wedding clothes" there? Why is he bound up and thrown into the outer darkness?
How did he get into the kingdom of heaven, and then thrown out?

If Matt 13:47; says "the kingdom of heaven is like".... a net with both good fish and bad fish in it. The bad fish will be removed.

Matt 13:41; says Jesus's angels will "gather out of the kingdom" all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness. This seems to say lawless people , and stumbling blocks are in the kingdom right now.

Is the "kingdom of heaven" the church? Or something else.
 
Now many right now are thinking , I was being harsh and not considerate. Well that is how I feel that christians are treating the "Word of God" . With so little respect, and have began to treat it as some form of "TOY word Game" with a capital "G"!

The Bible in many places speaks in a "Anthropomorphic" Language. And to convey "imagery" thought patterns and many times by using, "Similes, Different types of Metaphors", and also "Figurative Language", Metahorically, and also it is filled with "Hyperbole". And how do we know that. because of " grammatical historic hermeneutics" of the culture it was written in.
And when you hear a person stand up! And say what does this mean to you. And then " interpret it to you what it means, when the "Holy Scripture" has already interpret it, what it means. "Hello"! "Holy Scripture" has "One meaning" that God wants Us to get out of it! We are One Body! Not many! Yes one meaning, but evil mankind has applied "many applications". Example: Well this means this to me, another says this, "this is what I get out this. And it goes on and on, and on! Pretty soon, "each one has gone into His or hers own way". The Picture: "The Great Falling Away" from The Word of God" and they do not "know it" and when they hear the truth! It Hurts Their Ears" and becomes "PainFul". And if you "Adulterared this Truth" that I am "proclaiming" it has No effect, For what you have said: Has become forgotten as they walked out the Door and place their feet upon "the Concrete floor"!
"For they have address my people wounds as if they were not serious"!
 
Or... whenever I see the word "or" it tells me something can be two ways or have two meanings.

G1577
ἐκκλησία
ekklēsia
ek-klay-see'-ah
From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.
Total KJV occurrences: 115

According to Strongs...
the ekklesia is... a calling out, a meeting, a religious congregation, a synagogue, a Christian community (which was the purpose of this thread) of saints on the Earth, saints in heaven, or both.
I see it is at least seven different things, depending what context it's written in. I don't disagree with Brother Paul says, but that isn't the only definition. It can even be a synagogue.
We get too hung up on a word only having one meaning.


Greek Strong's Number: 1577
Greek Word:
ἐκκλησία
Transliteration: ekklēsia
Phonetic Pronunciation: ek-klay-see'-ah
Root: from a compound of <G1537> and a derivative of <G2564>

Vine's Words: Assembly, Congregation

English Words used in KJV:
church 115
assembly 3
[Total Count: 118]

from a compound of <G1537> (ek) and a derivative of <G2564> (kaleo); a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both) :- assembly, church.

<G1537>
Greek Strong's Number: 1537
Greek Word: ἐκ
Transliteration: ek
Phonetic Pronunciation: ek
Vine's Words: Abundance, Abundant, Abundantly, Abound, Consent, Exceed, Exceeding, Exceedingly, Marvel, Marvellous, Means, Question, Questioning, Vehemently

<G2564>
Greek Strong's Number: 2564
Greek Word: καλέω
Transliteration: kaleō
Phonetic Pronunciation: kal-eh'-o
Vine's Words: Bid, Bidden, Bade, Bid again, Call, Called, Calling, Name

English Words used in KJV:
call 125
bid 16
be so named 1
named + <G3686> 1
miscellaneous translations 3
[Total Count: 146]
akin to the base of <G2753> (keleuo); to “call(properly aloud, but used in a variety of applications, dirivative or otherwise) :- bid, call (forth), (whose, whose sur-) name (was [called]).
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

As we did deeper Ray, let us keep in mind the difference between the OT Hebrew and the NT Greek. The words 'called out' or 'calling out'

Deut: quotes H1651 qāhāl
congregation, assembly

Acts: quotes G1577
ekklesia
ekklesia – congregation, called out

We could say it is a calling out for and assembly or meeting?

We could say it is a calling out of Jews or Christians to an assembly?

But the topic and the word we are looking into is, What is the... Church?

The Church, the ekklesia, is a congregation, called out, do you agree.

Now I find this wording, called out', very interesting, especially as it is only in the NT, in the words, church, churches or assembly, meaning Church, ekklesia, called out.

Note assembly must be looked up individually for its meaning in translation, as assembly is used 3 times for Church, ekklesia, called out, but not for the other 120+ times it shows up in the translated Word.

Now I see these words as a 'calling out', or 'called out' - as born again from above believers into the Church the ekklesia. Which in doing so tells me the church is just the born again believers, not a congregation of both saved and unsaved souls, only a congregation of saved souls.

The most important thing for humans on earth, is to be free from sin, we make a big thing about being born again and rightfully so when we read John 3:1-21. But is it more than just forgiveness of sin, salvation, being filled with the spirit of Christ, I feel it is brother.

When we are born again, born anew, become a new creature, a new creation, we have also become a spiritual stone in the body of Christ. the Church, the ekklesia. This is where the calling out is seen in that God calls us and we are called out of the world. What are we called into? We are called into the Kingdom of heaven. When we come together, as saved souls, the spiritual stones grow and 'bond' together, and when two or three spiritual stones come together in Jesus Name, we have the cgurch, the ekklesia, the called out ones, the body of Christ, His Church

Matthew 16:13-18 (NKJV)
When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, "Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?"
So they said, "Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock [Jesus] I will build My church [ekklesia], and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

The church, Jesus' church, the ekklesia, was built on 'the rock' Jesus is the rock, Then we have the gates of hell/hades shall not prevail against it.

Heaven and hell are like opposite poles on a magnet, no they are even more opposite than the poles on a magnet. Jesus is Holy, the devil is wicked and sinful, sin and holiness are opposites, as darkness and light are opposites. I know we know these things but they are important in my thinking here.

Now when a person accepts God's calling, the repent and accept Jesus, the Holy Spirit of Christ lives in them, they are what we call born again, called out, made new, they are a new creation and they no longer belong to sin the world and the devil, they belong the God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. What has happened? A miracle has happened, the best miracle that could ever happen, a sinner as become Holy, the Kingdom of Heaven is in them.

Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed (Holy) is your Name,
Your Kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

The kingdom of heaven comes down into a sinners heart, the moment they repent and submit their life to God through Jesus, they are 'Made Holy'

The church, the ekklesia, is the Body of Christ, the church is Holy, because the Body of Christ is Holy, and we are made Holy when Christ abides in us.

So here is another example, how can a congregation of saved and unsaved souls in a place of worship be called the church, a church, etc. Surely it cannot. Only that which is Holy, can be part of the church, because the spirit of Christ is in every born again soul. They are called out of sin, the world and the devil, to a Holy God, to a Holy life, to practice righteousness and become Holy as He is Holy, or as near as we possibly can be in the flesh.

The reason I spent time checking every verse meaning, explaining the detail I did using scripture, explaining the church is the ekklesia, a congregation of called out souls, and showing that the word 'assembly' which is only referred to three three times in connection with <G1577> translation of church. The rest although the word 'assembly' is used does not refer to the church the ekklesia. Translated from G1577. I wanted to get the first part of the message clear, though I know some were frustrated including brother hekuran. I thank everyone for their patience and comments including our dear brothers, PloughBoy, Trevor, rhearn, Curtis and yourself. Hope I have not missed anyone if so I am sorry.

Now to move on, I am sure many will also want to quote other scriptures relating to the following.

As born again from above souls, we have received the Kingdom of Heaven. PTL.
As born again souls we are part of the church, the ekklesia, the body of Christ.
As born again believers, the Spirit of Christ lives in us. PTL
As born again people we are Spiritual Stones in The Church, our Lord's Church
As born again believers we have the Emmanuel, God with us, through Jesus, through HIS Church, the ekklesia, we have been 'called out' to be His disciples.

1 Corinthians 1:1-2 (NKJV)
1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Only when we repent, submit to God and are born again, can we say we are part of the church, the Body of Christ, if we are not saved, we are unsaved, if we don't belong to God we belong to the devil, if we do not have the Kingdom of God in us, we belong to the devil, it is as clear cut as that. So none believers in a congregation are not part of the true church, only the born again, forgiven, saved, made Holy belong to the Body of Christ, the ekklesia, the church of Jesus Christ our Lord.

Those who are born again from above are not of the world, we were chosen to be 'out of the world' called out.

John 15:19 (NKJV)
If you were of the world, the world would love its own.
Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

Matthew 4:19 (NKJV)
Then He said to them, "Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men."

John 10:14-15 (NKJV)
I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.
As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

John 12:26 (NKJV)
If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor.

John 8:31-32 (NKJV)
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free
."

Luke 9:23 (NKJV)
Then He said to them all, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.

1 Peter 1:13-16 (NKJV)
13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance;
15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,
16 because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy."

We are only Holy if we are born again, providing we do not 'fall away' back into sin.

We are only Holy if we are born again, when we are saved we are made Holy, because the Holy Spirit of Christ dwells in us.

If we are not born anew we are not Holy, we cannot be Holy, the Holy Spirit of Christ cannot live and abide in a vessel that if full of sin and belongs to the world.
 
The 'calling out' is referring to the calling out of the church, the ekklesia, which is made up of born gain from above souls.
You keep stating what you believe, but not giving a rationale for it. How do you know it's born from above souls. Where's the Biblical evidence for the truth of this statement?
 
Brad, what are you talking about, and where are trying to Go , blubbering around like a grade school kindergarten. How long have you been "Saved"? And why are you still talking about grade school biblical blabbering? That is a question for your information. Now how about that "wisdom"! For multiple choice! And you better not go in a corner and cry! Because if you do, I am going to put a "Dunce cap" on your head and place you on tall chair! Hello are you still there? That is a question too!
Jesus spoke in parables, surely as christian, you are wise enough to understand His parable? And if you dont, you can always just attack me in a personal way, it might make you feel better.
 
Jesus spoke in parables, surely as christian, you are wise enough to understand His parable? And if you dont, you can always just attack me in a personal way, it might make you feel better.
There is nothing to understand. It is plainly written. It means exactly what it says. A parable is just a short story. It is not a riddle.
 
Jesus do not lie, He speaks in Parables that the "Elect" knows what He is saying! So there is no way in the world I am going to ask a question, like what that means to you, to one of my brothers or sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord! And a person who has not been born from above. Would not know what it meant even if you tried to explain it to that person for 100 years.

10Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to the people in parables?”

11He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:

‘Though seeing, they do not see;

though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’b

14In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled:

‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;

you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

15For this people’s heart has grown callous;

they hardly hear with their ears,

and they have closed their eyes.

Otherwise they might see with their eyes,

hear with their ears,

understand with their hearts,

and turn, and I would heal them.’c

16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.17For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

PS. I am not wise, as you can tell, I think I am acting kinda foolish! So I will apologize now. If I have offended you in a harmful way.
 
PS. I am not wise, as you can tell, I think I am acting kinda foolish! So I will apologize now. If I have offended you in a harmful way.

I did not direct my post to you, even though you had taken offense. The Holy Spirit directed me to say what I did. I did not know who it is intended for, but when the Holy Spirit moves you to say something, you will say it, if you have any wisdom. As for wisdom, the only wisdom I have is what the Lord gave me, so not much of my own here either.
 
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