What is the forum's stance on abortion?

[Bill]

On a side note in regards to abortion they never talk about the trauma that a woman goes through after she has had an abortion. And I'm not talking about the trauma from society but just the inner soul and the struggle that you have after killing your own offspring. The Grieving of the Soul cannot be contained

 

[twcstp111]

abortion is something that came right out of the devil's toolbox

opinions don't even matter for this subject

 

[NYQueens977]

I think it's messed up and should only be used if there is literally no other option. I also think it's a pretty complicated issue, and I may never know what goes through someone's head. I could only wish them the best.

I believe that the abortion rates can drop to almost zero if the US had a proper sex education. People are going to have sex no matter how taboo you think the act is, so you might as well teach them how to do it correctly, safely, and with minimum chances of pregnancy. This isn't the cure all answer either, but I believe it's a step in the right direction. Another step would be making it more affordable for people to have a family, or take care of a child as a single parent. I'm not an economist, so I don't know how that would work exactly. Maybe a welfare or an ebt card distributed by an organization like planned parenthood or focus on the family.

Forgot to mention that I don't support late term abortion. If you really don't want the kid, you might as well have the kid and put them up for adoption. I mean, people say they want an abortion for cosmetic reasons. But by the third trimester, the body is already stretched out so I don't really see any other reason why you can't just have a cesarean and give the kid away.

 

[Sue D.]

Abortion is killing a baby while it's still in the womb. And obvious solution would be to not have sex No sex, no baby. Why not teach the Biblical stance of waiting until marriage to have sex.

 

[Sue D.]

It depends on what you're teaching your kids.

Obviously we don't agree. You're letting your teens believe that 'if it feels good, do it' which is condoning / encouraging selfishness.

It Will be affective IF you Do believe that God's plan is to wait until you're married and then it won't matter if the wife gets pregnant.

Now -- the parent who Did have sex Before marriage won't feel they have any business telling their kids any differently.

We Might want to consider Why teens are having sex in the 1st place. Their hormones are very active. We Need to be encourageing teens to know how to be Friends. Knowing how to be a Friend is far more important than having sex. Sex is supposed to be showing love that already exists between a man and a woman. It's not 'making' love - it's Showing love in a physical way.

 

[Bill]

I think it's messed up and should only be used if there is literally no other option. I also think it's a pretty complicated issue, and I may never know what goes through someone's head. I could only wish them the best.

I believe that the abortion rates can drop to almost zero if the US had a proper sex education. People are going to have sex no matter how taboo you think the act is, so you might as well teach them how to do it correctly, safely, and with minimum chances of pregnancy. This isn't the cure all answer either, but I believe it's a step in the right direction. Another step would be making it more affordable for people to have a family, or take care of a child as a single parent. I'm not an economist, so I don't know how that would work exactly. Maybe a welfare or an ebt card distributed by an organization like planned parenthood or focus on the family.

Forgot to mention that I don't support late term abortion. If you really don't want the kid, you might as well have the kid and put them up for adoption. I mean, people say they want an abortion for cosmetic reasons. But by the third trimester, the body is already stretched out so I don't really see any other reason why you can't just have a cesarean and give the kid away.

Abstinence and self control and to respect others is what all should strive for . It isnt the children as it is the adults . Because the children only imitate the behaviors of adults

 

[Trevor]

I believe in the sanctity of life, but I also believe I have no right to judge. The world is an evil place and pressures are placed on young men and women, that many of us could not contemplate. For a person who knows Jesus, the truth of his word is sacrosanct, but for a Christian to judge an unbeliever, may well drive them away from Jesus, and that is a murder in itself. We live in the kingdom of heaven, if indeed, our names are in the book of life. This gives us all the wisdom of heaven and the grace that the unsaved don't have. Before we judge a person who has no protection from above, we should pray for wisdom, less we fall foul, because of our own self righteousness, of Satan himself.

 

[Sue D.]

It's been shown though that After the fact of having had an abortion, there is a lot of guilt , the young woman all of a sudden realizes that there Was a real baby inside of her. So it's not judging a woman for having had one or contemplating one -- unless they're using abortion in place of birth control. But before hand -- a young or older woman Needs to be counseled that there really is a tiny life inside of her that needs protecting until he/ she is born -- and Then possibly given to a couple who wants to raise the child in a more stable or secure home.

 

[Bill]

I believe in the sanctity of life, but I also believe I have no right to judge. The world is an evil place and pressures are placed on young men and women, that many of us could not contemplate. For a person who knows Jesus, the truth of his word is sacrosanct, but for a Christian to judge an unbeliever, may well drive them away from Jesus, and that is a murder in itself. We live in the kingdom of heaven, if indeed, our names are in the book of life. This gives us all the wisdom of heaven and the grace that the unsaved don't have. Before we judge a person who has no protection from above, we should pray for wisdom, less we fall foul, because of our own self righteousness, of Satan himself.

I think we do have a right to judge when it comes to laws set in our nations .

It IS an evil , period . Who has the right to choose to take a life . We know all life comes from God . And all babies come from God , even in matters of rape .

There are plenty of families seeking to adopt .

Abortion is plainly wrong , murder

 

[Trevor]

It's been shown though that After the fact of having had an abortion, there is a lot of guilt , the young woman all of a sudden realizes that there Was a real baby inside of her. So it's not judging a woman for having had one or contemplating one -- unless they're using abortion in place of birth control. But before hand -- a young or older woman Needs to be counseled that there really is a tiny life inside of her that needs protecting until he/ she is born -- and Then possibly given to a couple who wants to raise the child in a more stable or secure home.

I believe it's right for a Christian to speak against a government with regards to abortion, I believe in debate it's right to speak against abortion. however to judge a woman who has an abortion without knowing the pressures she is under, I believe is wrong. Matthew 7:1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. Judging is dangerous.

 

[Sue D.]

No young lady or woman should be going through a pregnancy by herself. No one lives in a 'bubble' -- obviously there'd be a man involved. And there are friends / people they both know.

And what kinds of pressures Are young women feeling when they do end up pregnant. Those are things that Need to be talked about -- not in a judgemental way , but in a helpful way. No young lady just 'ends up pregnant'. There Should be a relationship taking place. Everyone needs someone to talk to / be friends with in every day life. Plan ahead with activities. When guys / gals are dating, plan to be in group activities. There's a natural desire to Be alone, but that's only going to present situations that would encourage intimacy. Plan activities that help you get to know each other better. Go shopping together -- are you a spender or a saver. There are all sorts of things that dating couples can be getting to know about each other. Biology isn't one of them.

Self-esteme is very important -- emotional -- psychological health -- spiritual health / well-being.

Abortion should Never be a consideration. Pregnancy should be Avoided.

Just the same as once a couple is married -- the word 'divorce' should never be considered. Learn to talk and word through problems.

 

[Bill]

No young lady or woman should be going through a pregnancy by herself. No one lives in a 'bubble' -- obviously there'd be a man involved. And there are friends / people they both know.

And what kinds of pressures Are young women feeling when they do end up pregnant. Those are things that Need to be talked about -- not in a judgemental way , but in a helpful way. No young lady just 'ends up pregnant'. There Should be a relationship taking place. Everyone needs someone to talk to / be friends with in every day life. Plan ahead with activities. When guys / gals are dating, plan to be in group activities. There's a natural desire to Be alone, but that's only going to present situations that would encourage intimacy. Plan activities that help you get to know each other better. Go shopping together -- are you a spender or a saver. There are all sorts of things that dating couples can be getting to know about each other. Biology isn't one of them.

Self-esteme is very important -- emotional -- psychological health -- spiritual health / well-being.

Abortion should Never be a consideration. Pregnancy should be Avoided.

Just the same as once a couple is married -- the word 'divorce' should never be considered. Learn to talk and word through problems.

There are many singel women , very young ladies , who get pregnant , and remember it takes two for that to happen . . There are all sorts of presurres , family ( you will ruin your carrier , or be held back , then the sexual partner who says , i am out of here if you keep it . And family counseling , if not Christian will encourage the abortion .

 

[Sue D.]

When society is okay with anything going with any kind of relationships, there's going to be chaos -- disease / pregnancy. And people think that Bible is old-fashioned. It's very sad. 'free-love' is Not free. It's costly. And the unborn child ends up being the 'throw-away' by-product. And if eternity / heaven / hell are not being taught -- the thought-process ends up being -- so what -- we live life the way we want to and the consequences can be killed / discarded of before a young lady even realizes there's a life.

My two daughters experienced miscarriages before they even realized they were pregnant -- both were married. Both were heart-broken.

CAn't image purposely killing a baby no matter What the circumstances of the pregnancy or how far along the pregnancy is -- Especially when movement can be felt. And the baby Has to be delivered -- it Can't stay in the body.

 

[Brad Huber]

Children are the greatest thing humans can create, treating them like garbage should carry a death sentence.

 

[Trevor]

Children are the greatest thing humans can create, treating them like garbage should carry a death sentence.

I thought there was only one unforgivable sin Brad, it seems that you believe there are two. I hope there are no skeletons in your cupboard. Matthew 7:1

 

[Sue D.]

Abortion is premeditated murder. However -- when Any sinner turns from their wicked way / repents - - then there won't be hell in their future. They turn to Jesus Christ as the Son of God with their heart.

That would apply to the abortionist as well. But -- just like his / her patient. Repenting / turning from their wicket behavior / turning to Jesus Christ as the Son of God is what saves them.

 

[Brad Huber]

I thought there was only one unforgivable sin Brad, it seems that you believe there are two. I hope there are no skeletons in your cupboard. Matthew 7:1

It is forgivable. Thats a spiritual thing. Not a physical thing. If you are looking for skeletons, just wait till halloween, and I am sure you will see a few.

 

[NYQueens977]

I love how everyone is saying how abortion is wrong and bad and people shouldn't have them. Like, no duh abortion is messed up. The process takes a toll on BOTH parties involved, and although there are many women who feel relieved after the procedure (believe it or not), there are also women who may have regrets. No two cases are the same. But it's because abortion is such a complex issue with so many varying cases that we as a people should look into WHY people are preforming abortions to begin with, and try to solve the problem at it's roots.
One reason that I've found is because of financial instability. Sad truth is that some people can't afford to have another child. What can we do to make family life more affordable?
Another reason is because young people are having unsafe/unprotected sex. Now in a perfect world, telling a hormonal teenager to not have sex because God doesn't like sex before marriage, he'll say "okay understandable have a nice day." But we're not in your perfect world, we're in the real world. And in the real world, sex is not seen as taboo. It's seen as something healthy, something that should be learned about in depth, and I agree with that. There's nothing wrong with sex, even if it's outside the confines of marriage. So sorry guys, but not every one is a christian and is going to follow christian doctrine. And purity culture has shown to do more harm than good, so I don't see how teaching abstinence only education helps anyone.
But teaching these young people about responsibility, about safety, and about all of the risks and how to prevent them. That is a more universal answer that I feel should be explored a bit more. Teaching young people about their own bodies can also serve as a deterrent for those who have abortions as a contraceptive.

 

[Trevor]

I love how everyone is saying how abortion is wrong and bad and people shouldn't have them. Like, no duh abortion is messed up. The process takes a toll on BOTH parties involved, and although there are many women who feel relieved after the procedure (believe it or not), there are also women who may have regrets. No two cases are the same. But it's because abortion is such a complex issue with so many varying cases that we as a people should look into WHY people are preforming abortions to begin with, and try to solve the problem at it's roots.
One reason that I've found is because of financial instability. Sad truth is that some people can't afford to have another child. What can we do to make family life more affordable?
Another reason is because young people are having unsafe/unprotected sex. Now in a perfect world, telling a hormonal teenager to not have sex because God doesn't like sex before marriage, he'll say "okay understandable have a nice day." But we're not in your perfect world, we're in the real world. And in the real world, sex is not seen as taboo. It's seen as something healthy, something that should be learned about in depth, and I agree with that. There's nothing wrong with sex, even if it's outside the confines of marriage. So sorry guys, but not every one is a christian and is going to follow christian doctrine. And purity culture has shown to do more harm than good, so I don't see how teaching abstinence only education helps anyone.
But teaching these young people about responsibility, about safety, and about all of the risks and how to prevent them. That is a more universal answer that I feel should be explored a bit more. Teaching young people about their own bodies can also serve as a deterrent for those who have abortions as a contraceptive.

I believe you're right Queens, as Christians we believe in life, abortion is seen as murder. If a woman conceives when it is inconvenient, it could prove to be a blessing for a couple who cannot bear children, murder is not necessary. As for non-Christian women, the law allows abortion, and so a person aborting a child is legal and Christians should not persecute them. If a Christian wishes to oppose abortion, it should be done in the ballot box. None of us know the pressures young women are under, from families, employers or society in general, and to judge them will only bring judgement on ourselves.
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[NYQueens977]

@Trevor "If a Christian wishes to oppose abortion, it should be done in the ballot box. None of us know the pressures young women are under, from families, employers or society in general, and to judge them will only bring judgement on ourselves."

I agree 100%