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The reason I don't witness with this is because it paints a picture of a wicked God. God who is righteous in all His ways....is *cough cough* going to be extremely wicked to evildoers for eternity.

God is a chameleon. No. God does not change and God does not lie Num 23:19. span.bible { /*color: #D97070;*/ font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; } span.bible a { /*color: #D97070;*/ /*background-color: #FFE9E9;*/ padding: 1px 4px; border-radius: 1px; } He is righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17. span.bible { /*color: #D97070;*/ font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; } span.bible a { /*color: #D97070;*/ /*background-color: #FFE9E9;*/ padding: 1px 4px; border-radius: 1px; } We give thanks because He is good Psalm 136:1.

I just don't understand how so many assume the absolute worst. We cannot read '''fire'''' with the absolutely worst assumption.

This seems to be the way with people who put God in a box, and say "He has to fit into my ideas of what is righteous and what is not". They make themselves out to be God.
Obviously I know more about being righteous than God does. So what the Bible says about God's wrath must be wrong.

The "Christian" churches that say homosexuality is Ok, say they know about God and righteousness than what the Bible says. After all... "God is love".

If we start saying God doesn't think sin is really so bad. He won't really punish anyone, aren't we lowering Him down to our level? We try to make Him just as accepting
of sin as we are. I think this is exactly what Satan wants people to think. Go ahead and sin all you want. There really isn't any punishment for it.

Rom 3:5; But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? The God who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous, is He?

The question still hangs....
 
I like to think we would follow through with something like the Geneva convention or better.

This is the problem. "I would like to think". But what we think is righteous, and what God think's is righteous is usually two different things.
To assume the ''worst case scenario'' of God literally torturing one in a fire for eternity is to not discern God and all of scripture on the topic. Even a few minutes being burnt alive is wicked. God is not wicked.

God definitely isn't wicked. But we are. God is "good". But many people mistake "good" for nice. God isn't always "nice".

Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Being "tormented" doesn't sound like picnics and parties to me.

Heb 10:31; It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 
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This seems to be the way with people who put God in a box, and say "He has to fit into my ideas of what is righteous and what is not". They make themselves out to be God.
Obviously I know more about being righteous than God does. So what the Bible says about God's wrath must be wrong.

The "Christian" churches that say homosexuality is Ok, say they know about God and righteousness than what the Bible says. After all... "God is love".

If we start saying God doesn't think sin is really so bad. He won't really punish anyone, aren't we lowering Him down to our level? We try to make Him just as accepting
of sin as we are. I think this is exactly what Satan wants people to think. Go ahead and sin all you want. There really isn't any punishment for it.

Rom 3:5; But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? The God who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous, is He?

The question still hangs....
God inflicted His wrath on Jesus for ''a day''.

I am not amending scripture. Just adding ''God is righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17'' to the scripture on ''fire''.
 
This is the problem. "I would like to think". But what we think is righteous, and what God think's is righteous is usually two different things.
No it is not. Gen 3:22 says we know what is good and evil just as He does.

In no time, in no universe will more then a day, let alone eternity in a brazen bull type punishment be evidence of '''good / righteousness''. Should Gen 3 :22 read ''they ate of the forbidden fruit and still have absolutely no clue about good and evil?''.

God definitely isn't wicked.
Every person who used the brazen bull torture device was wicked. Fact.

But we are. God is "good". But many people mistake "good" for nice. God isn't always "nice".
God is holy. Holy because He is righteous in all His ways. Righteous is fair punishment. Not unfair. Righteous sways toward mercy and not eye for an eye. Your idea of ''good'' is wicked. God is not wicked. Fullstop. He is light with no darkness in Him at all 1 John 1:5.

Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Being "tormented" doesn't sound like picnics and parties to me.

Heb 10:31; It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

There are two different types of torment here.

What happens in Rev 14:10 is a symbolic event. The day all watch the devil receiving his punishment. I envisage this being the moment when ''God bruises him for his sins''. Jesus was bruised, all sinners will be ''bruised''.

What happens in Rev 20:10 is they are now placed in their permanent residence. Torment does not have to equate to ''bruising and torture''. When Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden of Eden, they entered '''death, pain in childbirth, terrifying labour of the soil, thorns''. But yet earth is not that bad. In comparison to Eden, it is ''''terrible''''. Likewise with heaven and hell.


I am truly just shocked that so many believe the worst case scenario on hell. You would be ok with serving a God you know is doing this? Shows an extremely wicked side to Him in heaven?

God has given us the ability to make sound judgement calls and dish out fair sentences 1 Cor 6:1-9. What we believe should happen to the evildoers in hell does carry weight. Even with God.

We serve God because He is good Psalm 136:1. I guess some just serve Him because they are ''terrified of his dark side'' ….which He doesn't have 1 John 1:5.
 
No it is not. Gen 3:22 says we know what is good and evil just as He does.

In no time, in no universe will more then a day, let alone eternity in a brazen bull type punishment be evidence of '''good / righteousness''. Should Gen 3 :22 read ''they ate of the forbidden fruit and still have absolutely no clue about good and evil?''.


Every person who used the brazen bull torture device was wicked. Fact.


God is holy. Holy because He is righteous in all His ways. Righteous is fair punishment. Not unfair. Righteous sways toward mercy and not eye for an eye. Your idea of ''good'' is wicked. God is not wicked. Fullstop. He is light with no darkness in Him at all 1 John 1:5.



There are two different types of torment here.

What happens in Rev 14:10 is a symbolic event. The day all watch the devil receiving his punishment. I envisage this being the moment when ''God bruises him for his sins''. Jesus was bruised, all sinners will be ''bruised''.

What happens in Rev 20:10 is they are now placed in their permanent residence. Torment does not have to equate to ''bruising and torture''. When Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden of Eden, they entered '''death, pain in childbirth, terrifying labour of the soil, thorns''. But yet earth is not that bad. In comparison to Eden, it is ''''terrible''''. Likewise with heaven and hell.


I am truly just shocked that so many believe the worst case scenario on hell. You would be ok with serving a God you know is doing this? Shows an extremely wicked side to Him in heaven?

God has given us the ability to make sound judgement calls and dish out fair sentences 1 Cor 6:1-9. What we believe should happen to the evildoers in hell does carry weight. Even with God.

We serve God because He is good Psalm 136:1. I guess some just serve Him because they are ''terrified of his dark side'' ….which He doesn't have 1 John 1:5.
You don't believe there is eternal hell? So satan and demons and the fallen angels before the flood get a tick on their fingers or are sent to the hall 3 mins?
In the Netherlands if a guy rapes 2 girls and tries to kill em, they let him in an open facility. He rapes and kills the next one and now ppl were a bit mad about that, but in general bad ppl come first. A pity if they didn't change and murder another one. They cannot always be in jail. They need 2nd chances. A girl who got raped half her life, gets humane help to stop the torture. They helped her with euthanasia. God is not a humanist.
If someone chooses to follow satan, he becomes like satan and if he doesn't repent here, there's nothing else God can do.
Atheist ex christians told me God was immoral. He must just love and not judge and they may just do what they like, or else He's bad. They judge God. I said: you want God to be like antichrist. Solve all the problems magically and give peace and everyone can just do what they like to do.
 
If it was possible for God to make someone good, like Him, without them accepting His offer here on earth, then why would He let Himself be crucified?
 
You don't believe there is eternal hell? So satan and demons and the fallen angels before the flood get a tick on their fingers or are sent to the hall 3 mins?
In the Netherlands if a guy rapes 2 girls and tries to kill em, they let him in an open facility. He rapes and kills the next one and now ppl were a bit mad about that, but in general bad ppl come first. A pity if they didn't change and murder another one. They cannot always be in jail. They need 2nd chances. A girl who got raped half her life, gets humane help to stop the torture. They helped her with euthanasia. God is not a humanist.
If someone chooses to follow satan, he becomes like satan and if he doesn't repent here, there's nothing else God can do.
Atheist ex christians told me God was immoral. He must just love and not judge and they may just do what they like, or else He's bad. They judge God. I said: you want God to be like antichrist. Solve all the problems magically and give peace and everyone can just do what they like to do.

Hi Newname

I do believe hell is eternal. There are evildoers that never want to repent as per my OP.

I just acknowledge that our God is a good God and not a wicked God.

Let's take that rapist as an example. What would you do with a rapist that never wants to repent?

1. Death penalty
2. Give him a whipping for every girl he raped and then banish him to a Geneva convention type camp for enemies.
3. Have him raped multiple times and then banish him per 2 above
4. Give him a whipping everyday for all eternity

Option 1 and 2 are the only sound sentences from a sane thinking / good person. Option 2 is what I espouse God will do.
 
If it was possible for God to make someone good, like Him, without them accepting His offer here on earth, then why would He let Himself be crucified?

God gives us true free will because He wants a creation who chooses to serve Him. Wants to be with Him.

If the option was: Accept me or suffer excruciating pain for all eternity. Would you accept from free will?

The ''whole'' point of placing mankind on earth and going to the cross was for ''true free will'' to exist.

God wants a bride who wants to be with Him. He could have made us robots who will always choose to be with Him. He did not.

We need to think of ourselves as 'the bride of Christ'. Because we are. Now imagine you getting married via an arranged marriage or out of fear.

Hell, a place away from God exists purely because God honors the free will of those that reject Him.
 
No it is not. Gen 3:22 says we know what is good and evil just as He does.


And we do know good and evil, as God does, good is accepting Jesus and following God's commands, evil is belonging to sin, the world, and the devil.
It is Black and White in God's Word, it is Heaven or Hell in reality.

I am truly just shocked that so many believe the worst case scenario on hell. You would be ok with serving a God you know is doing this? Shows an extremely wicked side to Him in heaven?


I am shocked also brother, with your views, they are similar to the example of the retired vicar I spoke to, he could accept God punishing people, God is Love he said.

God is Love, so much so He allowed His One and Only Son, to die for 'our sins'.

In the OT we read how God had to continually punish the Jews for their disobedience to Him.

Jesus died a terrible death and took the weight of the worlds sins upon, God allowed Jesus to suffer so.

Look at all who have been martyred for their faith, God allowed it, Jesus said, he who tried to save his life will lose it, he who loses his life for my sake will save it.

All through scripture man is punished for their sins, all through scripture we are warned of the consequences for our sins if we do not repent and come to God through Jesus.

And throughout scripture we are warned of Eternal Life or Eternal Death, the latter confirmed as the lost souls after judgement 'crying and weeping and gnashing of teeth' That hardly seems a party, a ball game, or other such activity. Scripture makes very clear those who are not saved will pay the price, they don't have to all they have to do is repent and come to God through Jesus, who paid the price they should pay, and what a price Jesus paid. If they choose not to accept Jesus then they have condemned themself.

John 3:16-21 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

We all have th same choice, the warnings are clear, and there are lots of them.

God has given us the ability to make sound judgement calls and dish out fair sentences 1 Cor 6:1-9. What we believe should happen to the evildoers in hell does carry weight. Even with God.


It is not our call brother, it doesn't matter what we think, God has told us what will happen, if you choose not to believe it because, God is Love, or for any other reason, you are in effect telling God you do not believe or accept a lot of His Word, a lot of what Jesus taught us.

Matthew 13:24-30 (NKJV)
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field;
25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.
26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.
27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?'
28 He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?'
29 But he said, 'No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn." ' "

What happens to the none believers? The are, the weeds.

Matthew 13:36-43 (NKJV)
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field."
37 He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

As you know there are many examples, scripture is very clear.

We serve God because He is good Psalm 136:1. I guess some just serve Him because they are ''terrified of his dark side'' ….which He doesn't have 1 John 1:5.


God is good my friend, so good he allowed his one and only son to die the cruellest death ever invented, for our sins, for the worlds sins, for all who will turn from sin, from their wicked ways and come to God the Father through Jesus the Son, in Jesus Name.

There are many reason people serve him as we know, not all who serve him are saved, head Christians are not saved, only those who are truly born again are saved. There are many attend church (places of worship) every week that are not saved, there are many outside the denominations who are saved, but sadly a lot more who are not. Maybe some are serving for the reason you say, maybe some are not accepting God's Word on this topic because to many loved ones could be in hell. On the last statement we must never think those who have gone before are in hell because we cannot be sure, they may have repented and given their life to Jesus just before they died.

We will only know for sure who is in Heaven when we get there our self, providing we get there ourselves. I do like the saying...

When we get to heaven we will be in for a lot of surprises, not just the place itself, many we thought would be in heaven may not be there, many we thought would not be in heaven could be there, we will only know if we get there ourselves.

Peace be with you brother.
 
in a brazen bull type punishment
Every person who used the brazen bull torture device was wicked. Fact.

You keep talking about this "brazen bull". This isn't hell or the lake of fire. You aren't in a metal container. You are directly in the flames.
There is no brazen bull.

Righteous is fair punishment. Not unfair. Righteous sways toward mercy and not eye for an eye. Your idea of ''good'' is wicked. God is not wicked. Fullstop. He is light with no darkness in Him at all

A man kills 5 people. He is given five life sentences. Now he is lucky, because he isn't going to live enough to serve all 5 life sentences.
Satan rebelled against God at least 6,000 years ago (young Earth timeline) maybe longer. How many people has Satan "killed" (both spiritually and physically)
in those 6,000 years? Millions? Hundreds of millions? Billions? How many "life sentences" does he deserve?

Hitler had 7 million Jews killed in various different ways. How many life sentences does he deserve?

If the option was: Accept me or suffer excruciating pain for all eternity. Would you accept from free will?


The Chinese communist regime has between 20 and 50 million people killed. How many life sentences do they deserve?
How many people did Charles Manson kill? Ted Bundy? John Wayne Gacy? The list goes on.

That is the only option. But it's your "free-will" to choose to burn or not.
I am truly just shocked that so many believe the worst case scenario on hell. You would be ok with serving a God you know is doing this? Shows an extremely wicked side to Him in heaven?

It shows an extremely righteous side of Him. Fair is fair. The wages of sin is death. The Bible has hundreds of warnings. Still people reject Him. It's their choice.
Righteous sways toward mercy and not eye for an eye.

Mercy is ONLY for those who accept Jesus. Grace is ONLY for those who choose to follow God. For everyone else, "an eye for an eye" still applies. They are still under the law.
The only people NOT under the law, are those led by the Spirit.

God inflicted His wrath on Jesus for ''a day''.

...and Jesus didn't deserve it. We do. Jesus never sinned. Can you say the same thing? Can you say you only sinned once? Twice? and dozen times?
If the wages of sin is death, how many life sentences do you deserve? How many times have you sinned?
 
If there is no punishment for sin. Then Jesus doesn't really do anything for us. Jesus doesn't "save" us from anything.
If unsaved non-believers have the same after-life as Christians, why bother?
If the worst I'm going to get is 5 mins of pain... then hey I'm good with that. Let's party, have illicit sex, and get drunk everyday.
If the worst I'm going to get, is I don't have to see God or be around Him... let's orgy, kill steal and destroy.

If there are 365 days in a year. I am almost 22,000 days old. I wonder how many of those days I sinned?
I can't tell you how many. But I can tell you it was a LOT. Thousands of times, at least.

To cheapen the punishment of hell. Is to cheapen what Jesus did for us.
 
Today you awoke to another day on earth. Maybe you are at the beach today enjoying the sea and view. Maybe you are at work and can't wait to leave it so you can go to a party, gym or home to your family. Your loved ones.

On earth we can have pleasant and unpleasant days. We meet pleasant and unpleasant people. There a few criminals on the streets, many in prison. There are children everywhere. All cute unless they teenagers. Animals. Some cute some not so cute. Earth is not such a bad place. There is clearly a mix of joy and pain.

Now, what can one expect when they 'wake up' so to speak in hell.

There are two passages in Luke 13 that say all we need to know. Two verses that are not up for debate. No figurative / metaphorical meanings. No context needed.

Luke 13:27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’

Ok, so we awake to evildoers all around us. What exactly does this mean? Paul explains in 1 Cor 6:9-12 that unrepentant sinners will not be in heaven. He uses a plural word for every sin mentioned. Adluterers, not adulterer. Fornicators, not fornicator. Theives, not thief. Evildoers are those who sin and do not want to repent.

Now, imagine being surrounded by people like this. Not for a day, not for a week, not for a month, not for a year, not for a decade, not for a century, not for a thousand years, not for a million years, not for a billion years, not for a trillion years, not for a centillion years. But eternity. That is your company. For all eternity. Matt 25:46 Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

Luke 13:28 “There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out''.

If God was wicked, why would you weep and gnash your teeth? You wouldn't. You would rejoice, sing and dance. You do not have to live with a terrible god.

If you hated the prophets. Why would you weep and gnash your teeth?

This verse is telling us those in hell grasp that God is good. Prophets and saints are good. No ''evildoers''. Not being with them warrants weeping and gnashing teeth.

You don't wake up to repentant, kind and caring people. You wake up to unrepentant evildoers.

We can debate torture. We can debate darkness. We can debate fire. We can debate the presence of animals and some pleasantries. We cannot debate eternal separation. We cannot debate who you spend eternity with.
This is a little difficult for me to follow, I can't work out the picture you're trying to put together here. I did read it a few times, but my mind does not allow itself to process this information.
 
Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 25:46
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown intoe lake th of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:15
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its nam


Hell is going to be a eternal place of torment, as a matter of fact hell is our default place unless we turn to Christ. We have plenty of time and warnings from God. my heart goes out to anyone who does not see this, and thinks we can behave anyway we want and not pay the consequences.
 
Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 25:46
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown intoe lake th of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:15
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its nam


Hell is going to be a eternal place of torment, as a matter of fact hell is our default place unless we turn to Christ. We have plenty of time and warnings from God. my heart goes out to anyone who does not see this, and thinks we can behave anyway we want and not pay the consequences.

Well put Dave M
 
Hell is going to be a eternal place of torment, as a matter of fact hell is our default place unless we turn to Christ. We have plenty of time and warnings from God. my heart goes out to anyone who does not see this, and thinks we can behave anyway we want and not pay the consequences.

These 8 scriptures seem to be pretty straight forward to me. I don't know how you could make it any plainer than that.
 
This is a little difficult for me to follow, I can't work out the picture you're trying to put together here. I did read it a few times, but my mind does not allow itself to process this information.
The only scripture that mentions why people are suffering in hell is Luke 13:28.

My OP is to focus on that. People do not weep and gnash teeth because of fire, darkness, someone poking them with a fork ...as many want us to believe.

I am just so tired of all the ''nonsense'' teaching about hell. It seems many think God will be wicked to evildoers for eternity and they are ''ok'' with that. Just shocking.
 
The only scripture that mentions why people are suffering in hell is Luke 13:28.

My OP is to focus on that. People do not weep and gnash teeth because of fire, darkness, someone poking them with a fork ...as many want us to believe.

I am just so tired of all the ''nonsense'' teaching about hell. It seems many think God will be wicked to evildoers for eternity and they are ''ok'' with that. Just shocking.
God will not be wicked to them. Satan. If you do not forgive, He gives you over to the torturers it says. The rich man in hades wasn't poked with forks by demons. I can't listen to that stuff on youtube from ppl who said they were in hell. We're not to contact the dead. One girl said she saw ppl being tortured by demons. Women. And for what? For wearing mascara or dyeing their hair. Sorry but I believe she was deceived by a religious demon. She didn't even die. One guy who was raised from the dead and saw hell didn't mention that gruesome stuff. I hope it's not true. On the other hand, there are demons there and even on earth they did the most horrific things in concentration camps and in hell God doesn't protect ppl.
 
God will not be wicked to them. Satan. If you do not forgive, He gives you over to the torturers it says. The rich man in hades wasn't poked with forks by demons. I can't listen to that stuff on youtube from ppl who said they were in hell. We're not to contact the dead. One girl said she saw ppl being tortured by demons. Women. And for what? For wearing mascara or dyeing their hair. Sorry but I believe she was deceived by a religious demon. She didn't even die. One guy who was raised from the dead and saw hell didn't mention that gruesome stuff. I hope it's not true. On the other hand, there are demons there and even on earth they did the most horrific things in concentration camps and in hell God doesn't protect ppl.
Who says God does not protect in hell? God is God of all and He is righteous in ''all'' His ways / doings.
 
If there is no punishment for sin. Then Jesus doesn't really do anything for us. Jesus doesn't "save" us from anything.

He saved us from death. The wages of sin is death. Death is separation from the Father.

If unsaved non-believers have the same after-life as Christians, why bother?
They don't. They choose to reject Jesus and will live an eternity in a home away from Him.

If the worst I'm going to get is 5 mins of pain... then hey I'm good with that. Let's party, have illicit sex, and get drunk everyday.
You want an unrepentant venial sinner to spend longer then 5 minutes in a brazen bull type punishment? You think ''PAIN'' is needed to make hell bad?

If the worst I'm going to get, is I don't have to see God or be around Him... let's orgy, kill steal and destroy.
Yes, a lot of that will take place. But try to imagine it without good people. A pedophile has no kids to molest. The person you steal from will be merciless.

To cheapen the punishment of hell. Is to cheapen what Jesus did for us.
Jesus restored mankind with the Father. Nothing that takes place in hell cheapens that.

To imply God will punish evildoers in a way that ''NOBODY'' else will except maybe the devil, is to teach heresy and fail at our ''ONE'' Christian job, which is to properly represent God to the unsaved.
 
You keep talking about this "brazen bull". This isn't hell or the lake of fire. You aren't in a metal container. You are directly in the flames.
There is no brazen bull.
If you are burnt alive, you suffer about 30 seconds. To pro-long suffering people used to wrap cloth around your feet and legs. But the only suffering in fire I know of that could last into an hour or hours is the brazen bull. So for me it draws the best picture of what most interpret when ''burning in fire...forever'' is mentioned.

A man kills 5 people. He is given five life sentences. Now he is lucky, because he isn't going to live enough to serve all 5 life sentences.
Satan rebelled against God at least 6,000 years ago (young Earth timeline) maybe longer. How many people has Satan "killed" (both spiritually and physically)
in those 6,000 years? Millions? Hundreds of millions? Billions? How many "life sentences" does he deserve?

I like this question BAC. We are doing what Paul tells us to do in 1 Cor 6:1-9. Judging. Using our Christian minds.

I would agree with a life sentence / 25 years per murder. That sounds reasonable. So, yes, lets give the devil 25 years for each of the lets say 10 billion he has ''helped'' to murder. That equals 250 billion years. But a ''DROP'' in the ocean of a centillion years, which is even less then a drop in the ocean of eternity.

Now, lets say a murderer was in front of you. Would you say ''lets skin him alive repeatedly for 25 years?''. Or, lets isolate him only for 25 years?

There is no getting around the ''FACT'' that Jesus was ''bruised'' for less then a day.
 
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