What to expect in Hell

[KingJ]

It is not our call brother, it doesn't matter what we think,

I can't believe you would say this. Of course it matters what we think. If God is going to be extremely wicked and dark to His enemy when He tells us to love ours Matt 5:44, it makes Him wicked and a liar like the.... devil.

God has told us what will happen, if you choose not to believe it because, God is Love, or for any other reason, you are in effect telling God you do not believe or accept a lot of His Word, a lot of what Jesus taught us.

God has only mentioned: torment, fire, darkness and weeping and gnashing of teeth. Torment does not have to be a brazen bull. Fire can be figurative for no peace. Darkness is figurative for being with sinners John 3:19. People weep and gnash teeth because of separation Luke 13:28.

 

[KingJ]

And we do know good and evil, as God does, good is accepting Jesus and following God's commands, evil is belonging to sin, the world, and the devil.
It is Black and White in God's Word, it is Heaven or Hell in reality.

Would you ever say that someone who invented or used a brazen bull can ever be called ''good''?

I am shocked also brother, with your views, they are similar to the example of the retired vicar I spoke to, he could accept God punishing people, God is Love he said.
God is Love, so much so He allowed His One and Only Son, to die for 'our sins'.

Bruised for a day.

In the OT we read how God had to continually punish the Jews for their disobedience to Him.

We need to look 'closer'. His wrath was always instant. The fires in Sodom were high. They burnt quickly. Drowning is 3-5 minutes. A stoning is overseen by elders and done swiftly. No small stones.

Outside of quick deaths, there is real suffering with plagues. Plagues is the only instance of God's wrath that deserves a proper explanation. It seems as though it is the work of a wicked God. But when we read of the plagues in Revelations we see (as BAC mentioned previously) they all end with ''they repented not''. Meaning, plagues are God's last ditch attempt to get the wicked to repent. They increase in severity. It is something we can still judge God as being 'good' for.

Look at all who have been martyred for their faith, God allowed it, Jesus said, he who tried to save his life will lose it, he who loses his life for my sake will save it.

Yes and we will be tortured for ten days Rev 2:10. We know the wicked are wicked. This is why we choose to live with God and the saints who are not wicked.

 

[newname]

Who says God does not protect in hell? God is God of all and He is righteous in ''all'' His ways / doings.

It does say that the ones who knew less will be punished less. Then demons can't just go torture them extreme because they like it.

 

[KingJ]

It does say that the ones who knew less will be punished less. Then demons can't just go torture them extreme because they like it.

Makes senses I guess.

I see it like this: Rom 2:6 Each will be repaid according to what they have done.

God ordains the punishment when it comes to hell not demons. They too will receive punishment from God.

 

[Brother-Paul]

I can't believe you would say this. Of course it matters what we think. If God is going to be extremely wicked and dark to His enemy when He tells us to love ours Matt 5:44, it makes Him wicked and a liar like the.... devil.


God has only mentioned: torment, fire, darkness and weeping and gnashing of teeth. Torment does not have to be a brazen bull. Fire can be figurative for no peace. Darkness is figurative for being with sinners John 3:19. People weep and gnash teeth because of separation Luke 13:28.

God will punish the none believers and those who persecute His children.

Are you therefor saying, a loving God will not repentant His children, and will not punish those who reject Him?

If you are you have not read all scripture, the Bible is full of examples.

Are you saying you do not agree with the Tribulation and Great Tribulation when God will pour out is Wrath on unbelievers?

Are you saying God didn't punish Pharaoh and his army when He poured out His wrath?

Are you saying you don't believe that God instructed Moses to let the waters or the Red Sea run back and kill Pharaoh Army?

Are you saying that God did not flood the world and kill all but Noah and his family, 8 souls, the rest of the world drowned due to their ungodliness?

There are many more examples brother as you no doubt know, God WILL punish the unbelievers, the ones who reject Him, the ones who follow satan.

SIN always carries a Price;
- if we accept Jesus, He paid the price we should pay, and He paid it in Full.
- if we do not accept God and His Son who died for our sins, we have to pay the price, and scripture is clear how we will pay the price.

Hell will not be a social club, there will not be games and such items as you mention, have we ever seen people enjoying themselves whilst crying and weeping and gnashing of teeth? NO! And we never will.

What happens to the Wheat?
What happens to the Chaff?

Peace be with you brother.

 

[newname]

Of course it matters what we think. If God is going to be extremely wicked and dark to His enemy when He tells us to love ours Matt 5:44, it makes Him wicked and a liar like the.... devil.

God is good. That's one thing that's for sure. If He would not hate satan or demons, that would make Him wicked. We are to hate satan. Not the neighbour who was in a bad mood.
I always hated those hell preachings. Always walked away, out of the service, to go sit on the hall. I was happy to be raised atheist and was never told about hell before I came to Christ. Then I was like: look, I got saved. Then why do you have to talk to me about hell? Once I read some monstrous stuff from Stalin and Voltaire dying and I was totally depressed. A guy in the students home saw me. He said: What on earth is wrong w you? I read stuff about hell. He studied to become a reverend from a reformed church. He said: Don't read that. Just read the Bible. The only way for me to deal with hell was just praying and believing for everyone who is about to die. Ian McCormack was saved by his praying mom. Lets pray for the ones who dont have such a mom. God showed Lester Sumrall ppl falling in hell and said: that is what will happen if you don'tpreach. That was his calling.
My ex even preached about hell w the kids in the adult service. My son was 6 and had a melt down. I said: well just go pray noone goes to hell. He prayed: God I pray in Jesus' Name that noone on the whole earth will go to hell. Thank You. Lol problem solved. Kids have huge faith.

 

[Dave M]

Isaiah 55:8-9
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts



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[Dave M]

. Of course it matters what we think. If God is going to be extremely wicked and dark to His enemy when He tells us to love ours Matt 5:44, it makes Him wicked and a liar like the.... devil.

Gods ways are not our ways, my heart goes out to you, Hell is forever, and it is a place of constant torment, this is what Gods word tells us, please pray on it. God's grace is wonderful and his wrath is real we get one or the other

 

[KingJ]

God will punish the none believers and those who persecute His children.

Are you therefor saying, a loving God will not repentant His children, and will not punish those who reject Him?

If you are you have not read all scripture, the Bible is full of examples.

Are you saying you do not agree with the Tribulation and Great Tribulation when God will pour out is Wrath on unbelievers?

Are you saying God didn't punish Pharaoh and his army when He poured out His wrath?

Are you saying you don't believe that God instructed Moses to let the waters or the Red Sea run back and kill Pharaoh Army?

Are you saying that God did not flood the world and kill all but Noah and his family, 8 souls, the rest of the world drowned due to their ungodliness?

There are many more examples brother as you no doubt know, God WILL punish the unbelievers, the ones who reject Him, the ones who follow satan.

SIN always carries a Price;
- if we accept Jesus, He paid the price we should pay, and He paid it in Full.
- if we do not accept God and His Son who died for our sins, we have to pay the price, and scripture is clear how we will pay the price.

Hell will not be a social club, there will not be games and such items as you mention, have we ever seen people enjoying themselves whilst crying and weeping and gnashing of teeth? NO! And we never will.

What happens to the Wheat?
What happens to the Chaff?

Peace be with you brother.

I don't think you are reading my posts properly.

Of course God will punish the wicked. Our disagreement is in that punishment. Some envision a cruel fire burning them for eternity. Like a brazen bull. This is our inserted assumptions.

You have mentioned '''weeping and gnashing teeth''. Luke 13:28 says, they weep and gnash their teeth because they look up and see that they are cast out''. Not because they are in a physical pain from fire.

 

[newname]

There used to be huge revivals when they preached about hell. Nowadays ppl reject God over it.
Those ex christians I talked to, kept going on that it was immoral and all that. For goodness sakes. Don't be so proud and dumb. Get saved.

 

[KingJ]

Gods ways are not our ways, my heart goes out to you, Hell is forever, and it is a place of constant torment, this is what Gods word tells us, please pray on it. God's grace is wonderful and his wrath is real we get one or the other

''God was are not ours'''. No, disagree. God's ways are a Christians ways. Before we were Christians, yes I agree. We were wicked whilst He was good. Now that we are also 'good', we can better grasp and discern His ''good'' ways.

Now many are interpreting what is clearly ''wicked'' as ''good''.

Would you say the person who invented and those who place criminals in the brazen bull were good people?

 

[newname]

I don't think you are reading my posts properly.

Of course God will punish the wicked. Our disagreement is in that punishment. Some envision a cruel fire burning them for eternity. Like a brazen bull. This is our inserted assumptions.

You have mentioned '''weeping and gnashing teeth''. Luke 13:28 says, they weep and gnash their teeth because they look up and see that they are cast out''. Not because they are in a physical pain from fire.

Ehm the rich man said he was suffering in the flame.

 

[KingJ]

There used to be huge revivals when they preached about hell. Nowadays ppl reject God over it.
Those ex christians I talked to, kept going on that it was immoral and all that. For goodness sakes. Don't be so proud and dumb. Get saved.

You can't blame people though. Christianity is a relationship with God.

Would you enter into a relationship with a guy if He said ''marry me or I will repeatedly pour boiling water on you for the rest of your days''.

Would you say we are proper ambassadors of God if we preach that way? How dare we interpret '''fire''' as worst case scenario when scripture says God is light with no darkness 1 John 1:5 and He is righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17.

Punishment is the opportunity cost. With God that is a great cost.

 

[KingJ]

Ehm the rich man said he was suffering in the flame.

The rich man was in Hades not eternal hell. The rich man could hold a conversation and asked for a drop of water.

If you are on fire, you scream and ask for bucket loads of water. So, clearly a different kind of 'fire'.

 

[newname]

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You can't blame people though. Christianity is a relationship with God.

Would you enter into a relationship with a guy if He said ''marry me or I will repeatedly pour boiling water on you for the rest of your days''.

Would you say we are proper ambassadors of God if we preach that way? How dare we interpret '''fire''' as worst case scenario when scripture says God is light with no darkness 1 John 1:5 and He is righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17.

Punishment is the opportunity cost. With God that is a great cost.

I think that it has been preached wrong. Either it's all doom and gloom or all sugar coated and hell doesn't exist anymore.
I got saved, cause I just looked for God. Not because someone threatened me with hell. But when I was about to fall back, I wished there had been some old time preacher who would have warned me with hell. Would have saved me a lot of trouble.

 

[Brother-Paul]

I don't think you are reading my posts properly.

Of course God will punish the wicked. Our disagreement is in that punishment. Some envision a cruel fire burning them for eternity. Like a brazen bull. This is our inserted assumptions.

You have mentioned '''weeping and gnashing teeth''. Luke 13:28 says, they weep and gnash their teeth because they look up and see that they are cast out''. Not because they are in a physical pain from fire.

They were just examples on earth leading to what is to come.


God flooded the whole world, those not saved, all but Noah and his family 8 souls were saved. The whole world perished for their unGodliness.

The final judgement will be by FIRE, unquenchable everlasting destruction.


God will punish the wicked, God has punished the wicked. Wicked as we know are those in sin that reject God and His Son.

Matthew 3:12
12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Matthew 7:13-14
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matthew 7:23
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Mark 9:42-48
42 "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched--
44 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'
45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched--
46 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'
47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire--
48 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'

2 Thessalonians 1:9-12
9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.
11 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power,
12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Unquenchable fire, the fire is not quenched, everlasting destruction, and there are many ore verses that follow the same 'warnings'

 

[Brother-Paul]

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I think that it has been preached wrong. Either it's all doom and gloom or all sugar coated and hell doesn't exist anymore.
I got saved, cause I just looked for God. Not because someone threatened me with hell. But when I was about to fall back, I wished there had been some old time preacher who would have warned me with hell. Would have saved me a lot of trouble.

Threatening someone with hell does not bring them to God to be saved, to be honest most none believers don't believe there is a hell.

It is only when you come into the Truth you find out all the good and the consequences of not accepting God and His one and only son.

People get saved by coming to Jesus, not by being told about hell.

 

[Sue D.]

The rich man was in Hades not eternal hell. The rich man could hold a conversation and asked for a drop of water.

If you are on fire, you scream and ask for bucket loads of water. So, clearly a different kind of 'fire'.

Yes, the unsaved Are presently in Hades -- and in the end -- Those people Will be caste into that lake of fire and brimstone that Revelations tells us about.

Do you realize that in fires of today -- people usually die from smoke inhalation before the actual fire reaches them. And intense heat burns flesh. Have you ever lite a candle and held your hand right over the flame? It's very hot and the natural reaction is to pull your hand up and away immediately. How would You like to be thrown Alive into a Lake of fire and brimstone. The fire never goes out and you are forced to stay in it because that's all there Is. And Maybe part of the torment is remembering all the times that people Tried to warn you about it -- when they tried to share salvation With you and you refused to listen.

Our automatic reaction to a fire Is to throw water on it To put it out. Fire is naturally destructive. But the future hell fire will Never Go out.

And God's Word Also tells us that THAT punishment is only meant for satan, the beast and the false prophet. It's NOT meant for people. Now -- it Might be that the beast and false prophet Are people. We don't really know. But those three are the only one's who are meant to be there for ever.

God has already provided for our way to stay out and be in heaven / the New Jerusalem that will be brought down from heaven by God.

 

[saginon]

The bible is actually very contradict on the subject of the intermediate and final state. That's why there are three beliefs.

1. When you're dead - your dead, no consciousness. (average unbelievers)
2. When your dead your conscious and in torment. (Hitler, Pol Pot, bin Laden types)
3. When you're dead, you're going to heaven. (Believers)

Do people in hell get a second chance? You tell me! 1 Peter 3:18-20? 1 Peter 4:5-6???

Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

 

[B-A-C]

Rev 19:20; And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

There is no getting around the "FACT" these will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

There is getting around the "FACT" they will be "tormented" forever and ever.

Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

There is no getting around the "FACT" that if you aren't in the book of life, you get thrown in the fire.

Rev 21:8 ; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

There is no getting around the "FACT" some will be thrown into the lake of fire.