What to expect in Hell

[B-A-C]

He saved us from death. The wages of sin is death. Death is separation from the Father.

wrong. The second death is ....

Rev 2:11; 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Psa 139:7; Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence?
Psa 139:8; If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.

 

[B-A-C]

Rev 16:5; And I heard the angel of the waters saying, "Righteous are You, who are and who were, O Holy One, because You judged these things;
Rev 16:6; for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink. They deserve it."
Rev 16:7; And I heard the altar saying, "Yes, O Lord God, the Almighty, true and righteous are Your judgments."
Rev 16:8; The fourth angel poured out his bowl upon the sun, and it was given to it to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9; Men were scorched with fierce heat; and they blasphemed the name of God who has the power over these plagues, and they did not repent so as to give Him glory.

 

[B-A-C]

You have mentioned '''weeping and gnashing teeth''. Luke 13:28 says, span.bible { /*color: #D97070;*/ font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; } span.bible a { /*color: #D97070;*/ /*background-color: #FFE9E9;*/ padding: 1px 4px; border-radius: 1px; } they weep and gnash their teeth because they look up and see that they are cast out''. Not because they are in a physical pain from fire.

Mat 13:42; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:50; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 18:8; "If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire.

 

[B-A-C]

Would you ever say that someone who invented or used a brazen bull can ever be called ''good''?

The only person mentioning a "brazen bull" in any of these posts, is you.

 

[Sue D.]

You can't blame people though. Christianity is a relationship with God.

Would you enter into a relationship with a guy if He said ''marry me or I will repeatedly pour boiling water on you for the rest of your days''.

Would you say we are proper ambassadors of God if we preach that way? How dare we interpret '''fire''' as worst case scenario when scripture says God is light with no darkness 1 John 1:5 and He is righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17.

Punishment is the opportunity cost. With God that is a great cost.

Yes, Christianity Is our potential relationship with God. Without Calvary -- the shed blood -- there would be no forgiveness of sin.

Your example of entering a relationship -- God has provided a wonderful life in heaven with Him -- He shows His love For us by giving us guidelines for living a healthy, fulfilling life. WE are the one's who mess it up.

But - no- it's NOT funny and your emotican shows you think it is.

We Are being 'proper ambassadors of God' by sharing the Gospel unto salvation with all who will listen. And, yes, we Should be sharing the reality of eternal fire -- cause that's what it Will be IF we reject God's way to stay Out of it.

God IS light -- which is why - in hell -- God will NOT be there -- it will be Total Darkness. And, yes He is Righteous in all His ways. Because He has provided the Right way to stay Out of hell and Be In heaven with Him. Where there won't be any darkness at all. God is the Only Righteous judge there ever will be.

 

[B-A-C]

Isaiah 5:20 NASB
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

God isn't righteous because He doesn't judge people. He is righteous because He judges righteously. More righteously than any of us would. We always let our emotions, intellect, and biases get in the way.

Somethings get dangerously close to devil worship. God tortures people. He must be evil. Satan is a poor victim of the unjust wrath of God. He must be good.
Before you know it. You are worshiping Satan and what he calls good and evil.

 

[saginon]

Rev 19:20; And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

There is no getting around the "FACT" these will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

There is getting around the "FACT" they will be "tormented" forever and ever.

Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

There is no getting around the "FACT" that if you aren't in the book of life, you get thrown in the fire.

Rev 21:8 ; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

There is no getting around the "FACT" some will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Notice that those who are destined to the lake of fire in Rev. 19:20 and 20:10, and 15 are followers of the Islamic beast. Those engaged in the third jihad attempting to convert the planet to Islam. Also notice that the followers of the beasts are NOT implied in Revelation 21:8 but are thrown in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, it says they are doomed to what's called 'second death.' Is that referring to the death of the body? How can it be if it's the SECOND death? It appears that - and think it's possible that - things (memory, sin, life on earth, etc.) are 'burned up' for some - those who didn't follow the beast but remained unbelievers. And it appears from other passages that some are tormented forever. I can't say I know for sure.

 

[Sue D.]

@saginon -- I'm glad you're saying that you realize that '"I can't say I know for sure'"

Where in Scripture does it name the 'Islamic beast'. It Does say -- the beast of the land and beast of the sea.

LOTS of surmising.

It Is true that Islam has declared that it will take over the world, But the RCC is Also very strong and believe that They are the one true church. Who knows what other group might come to power.

 

[saginon]

@saginon -- I'm glad you're saying that you realize that '"I can't say I know for sure'"

Where in Scripture does it name the 'Islamic beast'. It Does say -- the beast of the land and beast of the sea.

LOTS of surmising.

It Is true that Islam has declared that it will take over the world, But the RCC is Also very strong and believe that They are the one true church. Who knows what other group might come to power.

The same thing is true when people say the origin of the beast comes from Rome, the EU, the USA, or the UN. I can give you several reasons why I believe every beast - Revelation 13, 17, and Daniel 7 are all Islamic. But would you believe it. I've been asking people who believe in the RRE to quote ONE verse that implicates Rome as the end-time beast and nobody has even tried yet.

First, every nation mentioned in end-time prophecy is Arab, Persian, and Islamic today. Isn't that a clue? What about Babylon the Great? Babylon is Babylon. It's not Catholicism or Rome, it's not the US, the EU, or the UN. The only thing Babylon implies is literal Babylon or false religion. Does it matter to you that the geographical area of ancient Babylon is completely dominated by Islam today.

Who is committing the abominations of the earth today? Beheading is an Islamic trait, crucifying people, killing young women in honor killings, (over 900 in Pakistan alone in one year) Before I give you the evidence, I'll give you an idea why they are said to be "fearful and dreadful."

What most people don't know is there's a genocide of Christians taking place in Africa. pick a page

Let me mention a few recent abominations...

1. Blowing up a baby in a training video.
2. Cutting the heart out of a man while he is alive.
3. Cutting the eyes and tongues out of priest and nuns.
4. Children beheading adults.
5. Adults beheading children....then placing their heads on a stake for public display.
6. Burning people alive.
7. Honor killings. The Human rights Commission of Pakistan reported that over 800 women, many of them teenagers, were executed in honor killings mostly in tribal areas.
8. Throwing acid is women's faces.
9. Running over people with military tanks and cars.
10. Flying jet liners into sky scrappers.
11. Crucifying people to trees.
12. Cutting off of hands and feet for stealing.
13. Wrapping a person, mostly women, in a sheet and burying them waist deep in the ground and stoning them to death.
14. Taking children as young as 6 years old and using them as sex slaves. ISIS beheaded over 50 captive sex slaves about 3 months ago when the town they occupied was being taken.
15. Forcing children to execute several men simultaneously shooting them in the back of the head.
16. Suicide bombings, (Yes I could go on but I think I've gotten my point across.)

I'll put together a page with the evidence I see, but have little faith it will change the minds of anybody.

 

[newname]

The same thing is true when people say the origin of the beast comes from Rome, the EU, the USA, or the UN. I can give you several reasons why I believe every beast - Revelation 13, 17, and Daniel 7 are all Islamic. But would you believe it. I've been asking people who believe in the RRE to quote ONE verse that implicates Rome as the end-time beast and nobody has even tried yet.

First, every nation mentioned in end-time prophecy is Arab, Persian, and Islamic today. Isn't that a clue? What about Babylon the Great? Babylon is Babylon. It's not Catholicism or Rome, it's not the US, the EU, or the UN. The only thing Babylon implies is literal Babylon or false religion. Does it matter to you that the geographical area of ancient Babylon is completely dominated by Islam today.

Who is committing the abominations of the earth today? Beheading is an Islamic trait, crucifying people, killing young women in honor killings, (over 900 in Pakistan alone in one year) Before I give you the evidence, I'll give you an idea why they are said to be "fearful and dreadful."

What most people don't know is there's a genocide of Christians taking place in Africa. pick a page

Let me mention a few recent abominations...

1. Blowing up a baby in a training video.
2. Cutting the heart out of a man while he is alive.
3. Cutting the eyes and tongues out of priest and nuns.
4. Children beheading adults.
5. Adults beheading children....then placing their heads on a stake for public display.
6. Burning people alive.
7. Honor killings. The Human rights Commission of Pakistan reported that over 800 women, many of them teenagers, were executed in honor killings mostly in tribal areas.
8. Throwing acid is women's faces.
9. Running over people with military tanks and cars.
10. Flying jet liners into sky scrappers.
11. Crucifying people to trees.
12. Cutting off of hands and feet for stealing.
13. Wrapping a person, mostly women, in a sheet and burying them waist deep in the ground and stoning them to death.
14. Taking children as young as 6 years old and using them as sex slaves. ISIS beheaded over 50 captive sex slaves about 3 months ago when the town they occupied was being taken.
15. Forcing children to execute several men simultaneously shooting them in the back of the head.
16. Suicide bombings, (Yes I could go on but I think I've gotten my point across.)

I'll put together a page with the evidence I see, but have little faith it will change the minds of anybody.

Oh you made me change my mind.

 

[saginon]

@saginon -- I'm glad you're saying that you realize that '"I can't say I know for sure'"

Where in Scripture does it name the 'Islamic beast'. It Does say -- the beast of the land and beast of the sea.

LOTS of surmising.

It Is true that Islam has declared that it will take over the world, But the RCC is Also very strong and believe that They are the one true church. Who knows what other group might come to power.

Several churches believe they are the one true church. The RCC has been losing power for the last 20 years. It's not just Islam's desire to dominate the world, it's the means by which they want to accomplish it.

I will put together a page after I do the one I said I would on the "Sons of God." Tomorrow night maybe.

 

[Sue D.]

God's Word tells us what the One True church is. It's the church that Jesus Christ founded. Christianity. The Church = all people who have put their faith in Jesus Christ as personal Savior. The Holy Spirit has come to indwell them / The Bride of Christ / the Church.

 

[KingJ]

Mat 13:42; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:50; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matt 18:8; "If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire.

Reading blunder.

We know eternal hell is called the lake of fire. We know it is referred to as a furnace of fire. We know why people weep and gnash their teeth. Luke 13:28 tells us ''EXACTLY'' why they weep and gnash their teeth. Note it says ''in that place there will be'' . It does not say, because of the fire burning you, you will weep and gnash your teeth. Though an argument could be made for the separation from God feeling like a figurative fire. Just hilarious that we interpret it as something like a brazen bull.

 

[KingJ]

wrong. The second death is ....

Rev 2:11; 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Psa 139:7; Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence?
Psa 139:8; If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.

BAC You said ''what did Jesus save us from if not eternal torture in fire''. I said death. You now say '''wrong, the second death is eternal fire''. Correct, the second death is eternal fire. Jesus saves absolutely nobody from this.

If Jesus never died there would ''STILL'' be a split in Hades between repentant and unrepentant sinners. Not all sinners are doomed for the second death. God is not a fool. You believe He is?

 

[KingJ]

Rev 16:5; And I heard the angel of the waters saying, "Righteous are You, who are and who were, O Holy One, because You judged these things;
Rev 16:6; for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink. They deserve it."
Rev 16:7; And I heard the altar saying, "Yes, O Lord God, the Almighty, true and righteous are Your judgments."
Rev 16:8; The fourth angel poured out his bowl upon the sun, and it was given to it to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9; Men were scorched with fierce heat; and they blasphemed the name of God who has the power over these plagues, and they did not repent so as to give Him glory.

Now you are cherry picking scripture on plagues to make your case for '''eternal torture'' in hell. Please see my post # 42.

 

[KingJ]

The only person mentioning a "brazen bull" in any of these posts, is you.

A brazen bull is pro-longed burning alive in fire. That is what all you believe God will do to His enemies. Is it not?

You just don't like the fact that I have put a name to your torture method you espouse God will use on the wicked for all eternity.

 

[KingJ]

Yes, Christianity Is our potential relationship with God. Without Calvary -- the shed blood -- there would be no forgiveness of sin.

Your example of entering a relationship -- God has provided a wonderful life in heaven with Him -- He shows His love For us by giving us guidelines for living a healthy, fulfilling life. WE are the one's who mess it up.

But - no- it's NOT funny and your emotican shows you think it is.

We Are being 'proper ambassadors of God' by sharing the Gospel unto salvation with all who will listen. And, yes, we Should be sharing the reality of eternal fire -- cause that's what it Will be IF we reject God's way to stay Out of it.

God IS light -- which is why - in hell -- God will NOT be there -- it will be Total Darkness. And, yes He is Righteous in all His ways. Because He has provided the Right way to stay Out of hell and Be In heaven with Him. Where there won't be any darkness at all. God is the Only Righteous judge there ever will be.

Sue, I will add 100 million laughing emojis to anyone who says to my daughter, '''marry me or else I will put you in a brazen bull for all eternity''. Sorry, a trillion.

You guys have got scripture on hell terribly wrong. It is absolutely shocking.

 

[KingJ]

They were just examples on earth leading to what is to come.


God flooded the whole world, those not saved, all but Noah and his family 8 souls were saved. The whole world perished for their unGodliness.

The final judgement will be by FIRE, unquenchable everlasting destruction.


God will punish the wicked, God has punished the wicked. Wicked as we know are those in sin that reject God and His Son.

Matthew 3:12
12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Matthew 7:13-14
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matthew 7:23
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Mark 9:42-48
42 "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched--
44 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'
45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched--
46 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'
47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire--
48 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'

2 Thessalonians 1:9-12
9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.
11 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power,
12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Unquenchable fire, the fire is not quenched, everlasting destruction, and there are many ore verses that follow the same 'warnings'

There are a few scriptures on worms to examine.

In one, the worms will eat the carcasses of the dead after the tribulation. All the bodies are dumped in Gehenna. 'Never die' is figurative as there are so many bodies. They will probably be seen for the full millennium as a reminder.

The one you have quoted, Jesus mentions hell with worms. Many scholars interpret it as our conscience What is the worm that will not die in Mark 9:48? | GotQuestions.org.

You / We need to all apply some logic here. Flesh is not eternal.

 

[KingJ]

Isaiah 5:20 NASB
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

God isn't righteous because He doesn't judge people. He is righteous because He judges righteously. More righteously than any of us would. We always let our emotions, intellect, and biases get in the way.

Somethings get dangerously close to devil worship. God tortures people. He must be evil. Satan is a poor victim of the unjust wrath of God. He must be good.
Before you know it. You are worshiping Satan and what he calls good and evil.

BAC the problem is that many cherry pick scripture on hell and lose their minds completely when they preach that ''torture is not wicked''.

There is no sane thinking person on this planet that will agree with torture being evidence of righteousness.

When you read scripture on hell you need to add those scriptures that define God. Example: Why does a good God Psalm 136:1, who is righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17, has no darkness in Him at all 1 John 1:5 call hell a lake of fire?

I can't stop thinking about how God described earth to Adam and Eve. God speaks from His vantage point. Or scripture only seems to record a few words. Example: He says earth will be a place of suffering. Woman will have unbearable pain in childbirth. Men will have to sweat to toil the soil. He does not mention that there will be painkillers, machines, good times with bad times.

If some of you had to describe earth to Adam whilst he was in Eden, he would probably have jumped off a cliff.

 

[newname]

Sue, I will add 100 million laughing emojis to anyone who says to my daughter, '''marry me or else I will put you in a brazen bull for all eternity''. Sorry, a trillion.

You guys have got scripture on hell terribly wrong. It is absolutely shocking.

If it's Jesus, then don't hinder her to marry Him. If ppl reject good/God and are seperated from Him, there is just only evil/devil as the other option. You have to serve one of the two. And you can make it all a little bit not so bad, with not real fire or something, it's still terrible.
Look at it like this: psychopath says: marry me and worship me and you get anything you want. Another man says: don't marry and worship that psychopath, but marry me, else your life will be horrible and he'll kill you, cause he's a liar and a psychopath. Choose me. I will Always go for the one who sounds not smooth, cause the one who sounds smooth you cannot trust and the one who sounds not smooth is honest.