What to expect in hell

[Garee]

A false doctrine of demons, that completely opposes at least a dozen scriptures.

I would say show where its appointed for mankind to die more than one to death under the letter of the law as God's instrument of destruction.

Hebrews 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once (not twice) to die, but after this the judgment: (of the judgement authority God's word the letter of the law ) So Christ was once ( not over and over )offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time ( not over and over each time).without sin unto salvation.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, (not be delivered again and again as miss trial ) that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter

Which law are you serving ? death or life ?

Romans 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: (not twice) but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.(not waiting re- trial ..limbo lower or purgatory the doctrine of wondering .

 

[Beetow]

Jesus sacrificed his life for the whole world; not just part of the world, rather;
everybody who has ever lived, and everybody who will ever live, down to the last
born on Earth. That says quite a bit about how Jesus feels about me.

He may not like me-- at all. In point of fact Jesus just may quite despise me, and
candidly declare that I am not the kind of people with whom he cares to associate.
Nevertheless, Jesus went to the cross for me too in spite of his disgust for me as a
person.

Now, as I said-- in so many words --Jesus may not be especially fond of me, but
there's no doubt in my mind that he at least cares for me. So I played upon his
Father's sympathies back in February of 1968 when I prayed a very selfish prayer
that went something like this:

"God; I know I'm a sinner. I would like to take advantage of your son's death."

Seeing as how Jesus gave his life for the whole world, then God couldn't very well
refuse my request; now could He.

● Rom 5:6-8 . . Christ died for the impious. Very rarely will anyone die for a
righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But
God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ
died for us.
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[Beetow]

In the second chapter of the book of Daniel is told the story of Nebuchadnezzar's
dream. He demanded his wise men to tell him the interpretation of the dream but
withheld the dream's details; without which they could not answer.

But God had observed the king's dream; and revealed its details, along with its
interpretation, to Daniel. Apparently God can hear our thoughts just as audibly as
we, and can view the scenes in our heads just as clearly too; making it very difficult
to retain some privacy in our own minds.

● Heb 4:13 . . Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight; everything is
uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
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[Garee]

Jesus sacrificed his life for the whole world; not just part of the world, rather;
everybody who has ever lived, and everybody who will ever live, down to the last
born on Earth. That says quite a bit about how Jesus feels about me.

Sounds like another kind of Jesus ?

Jesus empowered by the Father sacrificed his life for the whole Christian world . I don't thing God has feelings he has truth that can cause a feeling . "Let there be" and " it was good."

Today as it is written is good to some. To some they have a different feeling.

Having no idea why he saved a person they just feel he did save the whole world everyone that ever lived .

Remember as born again sons of God what we will be like . . .is not revealed .feeling do not matter. God's truth sets us free.

 

[B-A-C]

I don't thing God has feelings he has truth that can cause a feeling . "Let there be" and " it was good."

Perhaps, but the Bible says God has emotions. We have emotions and we are created in His image. Here is a small sampling.

1Kin 11:9; And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,
2Kin 17:18; Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight: there was none left but the tribe of Judah only.
Psa 7:11; God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

I don't thing God has

I assume this was supposed to be..."I don't think God... "

This is where a lot of people get into theological trouble, they think this, or they think that. They try to think for God and figure out what is logical.
But we aren't God and our wisdom is not God's wisdom.

 

[Garee]

Perhaps, but the Bible says God has emotions. We have emotions and we are created in His image. Here is a small sampling.

1Kin 11:9; And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,
2Kin 17:18; Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight: there was none left but the tribe of Judah only.
Psa 7:11; God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.



I assume this was supposed to be..."I don't think God... "

This is where a lot of people get into theological trouble, they think this, or they think that. They try to think for God and figure out what is logical.
But we aren't God and our wisdom is not God's wisdom.

God is not a man as us.

I think you are confusing God's wrath with that of man . His wrath harmonizes with His love in as much as His wrath is made complete by His love.

I agree we think He knows just as it is written

James 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

Man's wrath has not power to call to repentance and forgive a eternal dept . I feel good about that blessing

I would never trust my anger thinking it was of God. Like Cain when deceived by the power of man's anger. . Satan the father of lies a murderer from the beginning he increased Cain's murderous anger . . no self control from the Holy Spirit unlike lhis brother the apostle Abel yoked with Christ. .Cain influenced by the father of lies . I know not where Able is . The pagan foundation out of sight out of mind

It seems like when men are with God they start to look for fault in people. Don't have to look to far. Most people do have fault

 

[Bill]

A false doctrine of demons, that completely opposes at least a dozen scriptures.

Sometimes my friend, you just can't convince anyone against their beliefs. And it doesn't matter how much scripture you can throw at them, they will tell you that it's not enough. And then they will tell you that they know the scripture better. Or maybe they'll say they know better than the scripture.

Even I get exasperated when talking to some people here.

Peace always, and know that love is the key.

 

[B-A-C]

I think you are confusing God's wrath with that of man . His wrath harmonizes with His love in as much as His wrath is made complete by His love.

None of the verses say a "man" was angry. They all say.. quite plainly.. the Lord was angry.
That really invalidates your second sentence, which is also really unbiblical fluff.

In fact the only verse in the entire Bible where love and wrath are in the same verse is...

2Chron 19:2; Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him and said to King Jehoshaphat, "Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the LORD and so bring wrath on yourself from the LORD?

You really need to quit making stuff up out of the air, and acting like it's in the Bible. You do this in almost every post you make.

 

[Beetow]

Seeing as how God owns everything in existence, and answers to no one how He
goes about managing it all; then what He says goes because nobody can stop Him
from making and/or enforcing whatever rules He wishes because God's free will
trumps everybody else's free will.

Whether God's ways and means are loving, moral, just, and/or right and wise
doesn't matter. It's as futile to criticize lightning for being so bright, and thunder for
being so loud, as it is to find fault with God's rules because no matter how much
people complain about thunder and lightning; there is nothing they can do to stop
those forces of nature from going about their business.

● Acts 4:24 . .They lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said: Lord,
thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them
is

The Greek word translated "Lord" in that passage is despotes (des-pot'-ace) from
which we get our English word despot; defined by Webster's as a ruler with
absolute power and authority.
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[Garee]

Perhaps, but the Bible says God has emotions. We have emotions and we are created in His image. Here is a small sampling.

1Kin 11:9; And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,
2Kin 17:18; Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight: there was none left but the tribe of Judah only.
Psa 7:11; God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

God's anger is not an emotion .Just as his love is more . God is not a man .

 

[KingJ]

God is not a man as us.

I think you are confusing God's wrath with that of man . His wrath harmonizes with His love in as much as His wrath is made complete by His love.

I agree we think He knows just as it is written

James 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

Man's wrath has not power to call to repentance and forgive a eternal dept . I feel good about that blessing

I would never trust my anger thinking it was of God. Like Cain when deceived by the power of man's anger. . Satan the father of lies a murderer from the beginning he increased Cain's murderous anger . . no self control from the Holy Spirit unlike lhis brother the apostle Abel yoked with Christ. .Cain influenced by the father of lies . I know not where Able is . The pagan foundation out of sight out of mind

It seems like when men are with God they start to look for fault in people. Don't have to look to far. Most people do have fault

Very good post Garee!

You have a correct understanding of God. One the prophets had.

Don't be disheartened by those that do not agree. Not many understand God.

 

[KingJ]

None of the verses say a "man" was angry. They all say.. quite plainly.. the Lord was angry.
That really invalidates your second sentence, which is also really unbiblical fluff.

In fact the only verse in the entire Bible where love and wrath are in the same verse is...

2Chron 19:2; Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him and said to King Jehoshaphat, "Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the LORD and so bring wrath on yourself from the LORD?

You really need to quit making stuff up out of the air, and acting like it's in the Bible. You do this in almost every post you make.

Garee did not give unbiblical fluff. She is referencing verses that define God. Verses many in this thread do not like to include in their synopsis of the topic of hell or when defining God.

John says God is love. Whoever does not love, does not know God. This verse is in 1 John 4:8.

Job says that it is unthinkable to think that God would do anything wicked or pervert justice. Job 34:12.

John says that the gospel we have heard from the beginning is that God is light and in Him is no darkness 1 John1:5

David says that God is righteuos in all His ways Psalm 145:17.

Yet the majority here are fine with painting a picture of God to the lost that suggests He sits a top a list of the most evil beings to ever live. Discussion on Torture.

 

[Beetow]

For many of us working stiffs, the first day on a new job is stressful and quite an
adjustment. The night before that first day can cause enough anxiety to keep us
awake worrying about what we might expect.

I'd imagine that, whether we end up in the right place or the wrong place in the
afterlife, we will be just as stressed on our first day there as the first day here on a
new job.

The anxiety associated with death is to be expected seeing as how most of us have
no experience at all with that particular journey. But I think the majority of my
anxiety in regards to death is related to what comes after. Pity there are no guide
books available in print to prepare folks in advance for the culture-shock tsunami
with which both sides of the aisle are sure to be slammed: a guide for Hell and one
for Heaven.
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[Beetow]

● Luke 16:26 . . Between us and you a great chasm has been fixed

The barrier between Abraham's side of the netherworld and the rich man's is
curious. The Greek word is located nowhere else in the entire New Testament so we
can't compare it's application in other situations.

Chasm isn't necessarily a crevasse like a gorge or a canyon. It can also represent a
marked division, separation, or difference; for example there is a political chasm
between China's communist party and China's regular citizens.

A chasm then, can be likened to the contrast between good and evil, right and
wrong, wise and foolish, hate and love, the condemned and the innocent, the one
true God and the many tin Gods, the alive to God and the dead to God.

Anyway, this barrier in Luke's story isn't so expansive that people cannot recognize
familiar faces on the opposite side nor hear their voice. And if it's a literal gulf, then
I think it's reasonable to assume people have been trying to jump in to get away
from the flames.

The Bible says that God desires all men to be saved and that He derives no
pleasure from their misfortunes. However, once folks are lost in the netherworld,
God's attitude towards them takes quite a turn. Folks in Hell are dead to God, and
apparently He wants them to be dead to us too; even our loved ones and the BFF
for whom we care the most, i.e. personal contact with the other side for hugs and
kisses is not allowed.

● Luke 16:26 . .Those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone
cross over from there to us.

NOTE: Luke portrays only a small portion of the geography where Abraham and the
rich man conversed; suggesting that the two locations of the chasm where the men
stood are peninsulas or narrow cornices.

But I rather suspect that the rims of the chasm are straight and parallel like the
banks of a canal; plus extending sufficient distance in either direction to
accommodate hundreds, maybe even thousands, of friends and relatives seeking to
connect with their loved ones and BFF over on the other side.
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[Garee]

● Luke 16:26 . . Between us and you a great chasm has been fixed

The barrier between Abraham's side of the netherworld and the rich man's is
curious. The Greek word is located nowhere else in the entire New Testament so we
can't compare it's application in other situations.

Chasm isn't necessarily a crevasse like a gorge or a canyon. It can also represent a
marked division, separation, or difference; for example there is a political chasm
between China's communist party and China's regular citizens.

A chasm then, can be likened to the contrast between good and evil, right and
wrong, wise and foolish, hate and love, the condemned and the innocent, the one
true God and the many tin Gods, the alive to God and the dead to God.

Anyway, this barrier in Luke's story isn't so expansive that people cannot recognize
familiar faces on the opposite side nor hear their voice. And if it's a literal gulf, then
I think it's reasonable to assume people have been trying to jump in to get away
from the flames.

The Bible says that God desires all men to be saved and that He derives no
pleasure from their misfortunes. However, once folks are lost in the netherworld,
God's attitude towards them takes quite a turn. Folks in Hell are dead to God, and
apparently He wants them to be dead to us too; even our loved ones and the BFF
for whom we care the most, i.e. personal contact with the other side for hugs and
kisses is not allowed.

● Luke 16:26 . .Those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone
cross over from there to us.

NOTE: Luke portrays only a small portion of the geography where Abraham and the
rich man conversed; suggesting that the two locations of the chasm where the men
stood are peninsulas or narrow cornices.

But I rather suspect that the rims of the chasm are straight and parallel like the
banks of a canal; plus extending sufficient distance in either direction to
accommodate hundreds, maybe even thousands, of friends and relatives seeking to
connect with their loved ones and BFF over on the other side.
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I would suggest you are literalizing the parable . The subject matter beginning in the previous chapter 15 is the wisdom of God ( sola scriptura) all thing writen in the law and prophets or Moses and the prophets against the wisdom of man necromancy communing with the dead as do those who serve what called patron saints dead family members and a queen of heaven. That was the chiasm that could not be crossed .

It does not exist . . . no communing with the dead. . .

Called the parable of "Two teaching masters" not will people need H20 to cool down thier tongues that has long returned to the dust.

 

[Beetow]

I once heard a minister tell the story of a fictional busload of Hell's inmates who
were given a 30 day furlough for some R&R in Heaven. They all came back the first
night because God's world was such a bore.

There were no wild parties, no clothing-optional beaches, no bars, no night clubs,
no porn, no escort services, no trafficking, no pigging-out at buffets, no fights, no
profanity, no ribaldry, no free sex, no vulgar late-night comedy, no exotic dancers,
no X-rated movies, no junk food, no tobacco, no marijuana, no meth, no ecstasy,
no LSD, no fentanyl, no hunting for sport, no fishing for sport, and no casino
gambling.

And the hellsters didn't particularly care for the isolation. None of the good folk in
Heaven wanted to associate with them: they were ostracized, they were
segregated, and they were quarantined.

Heaven is a pleasant utopia. It's etiquette, its dress code, and its rules of conduct
and civility; were way too constraining for the hellsters. Especially suffocating is the
mandatory self control everyone has to exercise in their choice of words to avoid
hurting people's feelings.

Take for example Wall Street barracudas. Do you really think they'd be happy in
Heaven? Or sweat shop operators? Or influence peddlers? Or lobbyists? Or J
walking pedestrians? Or LGBTQ? Or greedy businessmen like Phil Knight, Bill Gates,
and/or Jeff Bezos? Or unscrupulous social networking moguls like Mark Zuckerberg?
Or cheap politicians? Or Communists? Or bookies? Or hoarders? Or black
marketeers? Or militant activists? Or Critical Race theorists? Or 1619 Project
proponents? No. No. No. You see many of the interests that concern Hell's people
are unacceptable in Heaven; and in point of fact, none of Heaven's people even
want to hear about that stuff. For them that scene is over and they don't want it
back.

You know what else is lacking in Heaven? Religious tolerance. There is only one
religion up there. What's that tell you? Well; it tells me that the establishment
clause of the US Constitution's first amendment doesn't fly in Heaven. The
theocratic monarchy in Heaven insists upon dictating everyone's religious
preference.

In other words: Heaven's utopian society, coupled with its 24/7 Big Brother
oversight, universal surveillance, and strict morality, was just simply too much to
ask in exchange for some time off. To the hellsters, Heaven held little more appeal
for a get-away than one of North Korea's prison camps.
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[Garee]

I once heard a minister tell the story of a fictional busload of Hell's inmates who
were given a 30 day furlough for some R&R in Heaven. They all came back the first
night because God's world was such a bore.

There were no wild parties, no clothing-optional beaches, no bars, no night clubs,
no porn, no escort services, no trafficking, no pigging-out at buffets, no fights, no
profanity, no ribaldry, no free sex, no vulgar late-night comedy, no exotic dancers,
no X-rated movies, no junk food, no tobacco, no marijuana, no meth, no ecstasy,
no LSD, no fentanyl, no hunting for sport, no fishing for sport, and no casino
gambling.

And the hellsters didn't particularly care for the isolation. None of the good folk in
Heaven wanted to associate with them: they were ostracized, they were
segregated, and they were quarantined.

Heaven is a pleasant utopia. It's etiquette, its dress code, and its rules of conduct
and civility; were way too constraining for the hellsters. Especially suffocating is the
mandatory self control everyone has to exercise in their choice of words to avoid
hurting people's feelings.

Take for example Wall Street barracudas. Do you really think they'd be happy in
Heaven? Or sweat shop operators? Or influence peddlers? Or lobbyists? Or J
walking pedestrians? Or LGBTQ? Or greedy businessmen like Phil Knight, Bill Gates,
and/or Jeff Bezos? Or unscrupulous social networking moguls like Mark Zuckerberg?
Or cheap politicians? Or Communists? Or bookies? Or hoarders? Or black
marketeers? Or militant activists? Or Critical Race theorists? Or 1619 Project
proponents? No. No. No. You see many of the interests that concern Hell's people
are unacceptable in Heaven; and in point of fact, none of Heaven's people even
want to hear about that stuff. For them that scene is over and they don't want it
back.

You know what else is lacking in Heaven? Religious tolerance. There is only one
religion up there. What's that tell you? Well; it tells me that the establishment
clause of the US Constitution's first amendment doesn't fly in Heaven. The
theocratic monarchy in Heaven insists upon dictating everyone's religious
preference.

In other words: Heaven's utopian society, coupled with its 24/7 Big Brother
oversight, universal surveillance, and strict morality, was just simply too much to
ask in exchange for some time off. To the hellsters, Heaven held little more appeal
for a get-away than one of North Korea's prison camps.
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What is lacking in heaven is hell .The sufferings on earth living in bodies of Death >New bodies that will not lust after sinful flesh .

 

[Beetow]

If there is any good thing that can be said about the netherworld: it's the great
equalizer. Political bullies like Kim Jong-Un, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito
Mussolini, Xi Jinping, Fidel Castro, Mao Zedong, Idi Amin, Muammar Gaddafi,
Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot, and Saddam Hussein, are powerless down below; they're
just another nondescript skull in the gene pool.

● Isa 14:9-10 . . Sheol from beneath is excited over you to meet you when you
come. It arouses for you the spirits of the dead, all the leaders of the earth. It
raises all the kings of the nations from their thrones. They will all respond and say
to you: Even you have been made weak as we. You have become like us.

Jesus once told a parable that advises folk it's wise to exercise kindness and
generosity on this side of life because people on the other side will doubtless
remember how you treated them here. The thing is: folks should expect to be
victims of a certain amount of cruelty on the wrong side of the netherworld because
down there what's the point in being civil? So it's wise to build up a following of folk
up here who owe you a favor so that when you arrive down there, you'll have some
friends instead of only foes looking to get even.
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[Garee]

Garee did not give unbiblical fluff. She is referencing verses that define God. Verses many in this thread do not like to include in their synopsis of the topic of hell or when defining God.

John says God is love. Whoever does not love, does not know God. This verse is in 1 John 4:8.

Job says that it is unthinkable to think that God would do anything wicked or pervert justice. Job 34:12.

John says that the gospel we have heard from the beginning is that God is light and in Him is no darkness 1 John1:5

David says that God is righteuos in all His ways Psalm 145:17.

Yet the majority here are fine with painting a picture of God to the lost that suggests He sits a top a list of the most evil beings to ever live. Discussion on Torture.

Exactly God magnifies his word above all his attributes as names and is subject to it .. . to include his mercy .The believers mercy is season with grace they will rise on the last day under the sun ..

James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Those who received no grace. . . in mercy their life comes to and end just as described. The temporal spirt given under the letter of the law (death) it return to the dust and thebt same with the temporal spirit under the letter of the law death . The idea of one's life

No limbo or purgatory God does not commune with the dead .

According to the parable in Luke 16 Where some get the idea that those who have stopped breathing continue to thirst to cool a tongue that has already returned to dust .because of refusing to believe it is a parable in the middle of many parables literalizing the parable .

It's like literally if we do not get a drink then they will die of thirst . The water is clearly the gospel . He sent them a famine for hearing the good news they are not more .

Luke 16 :25 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

God did not eresit giving water to a disciple

Matthew 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

Some like the Pharisees with Sadducees ( the self righteous ) look for vengeance to add to the torturing of the dead who are said to remember the former things (the I got you back double) doctrine of purgatory with limbo

The Bible teaching the moment a person takes their last breath of oxygen their memories are gone you say universal alzheimer's the wage of death in dying you will come to a end In the new heavens and earth things for here wil not be rember or ever come to maind

 

[Beetow]

Not everyone is going to be judged on the basis of hearing + believing the gospel of
Christ. There are untold millions who never heard, nor will ever hear tell, of Jesus;
let alone his crucifixion for the sins of the world.

However, the beauties and complexities of nature: on earth and out in the void,
speak loudly and clearly enough that the cosmos-- all its forms of life, matter, and
energy --is the result of intelligent design. And the human conscience intuitively
knows that there is going to be a reckoning. This is what's known as the everlasting
gospel (Rev 14:6-7) and it has been preaching to men all over the globe from the
very beginning. (Ps 19:1-6, & Rom 1:18-20, & Rom 2:14-16)

According to Rom 10:18, nature itself is accounted as a gospel. This is pretty cool
because by nature's gospel, folks all over the globe-- those categorized as barbaric,
primitive, and uneducated --can qualify for God's good graces.

* Can you just imagine the indignity and outrage of an educated genius doomed to
the depths of Hell while an illiterate aboriginal with a bone in his nose is carried up to
the comforts of Heaven?
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