When 2 Christians say they are Dating One another Does that mean they are Sleeping together?

[Sue D.]

I was just reading the passage in Genesis 29 - 30, etc. regarding Jacob and Leah and Rachel.

Before he 'got' Leah -- thinking it was Rachel -- he served Laban for 7 years which to him seemed like a few days and then he inquired of Laban for his wife -- so he gathered all the men of the place together and made a feast -- then later that evening Laban took Leah into Jacob to become his wife.

So -- there were 1st the working for his wife and then the feast to commemorate That and Then being taken into her husband.

So -- yes there WAS.

Your bio info says you live in Dallas, Tx. -- I was from Iowa way back then. Not some foreign country like you make it sound like.

Marriage is what people make it to be. You sound more like -- till death do us part and hurry up and lets' get this done so we can be 'legal' -- doesn't sound very 'loving'.

 

[Sue D.]

I do not understand what the "work" is about staying married. What is the 'work' ? We American Christians allowed the government into our marriages . Having been married for 57 years not because the government says so but because i vowed before God for better or worse etc.

• 1913 – The federal government formally recognizes marriage in law for the first time with the passage of the Revenue Act of 1913.
• 1929 – All states now have laws regarding marriage licenses.

The government ceremony gives folks a way out of the contract. It give folks a zillion ways to undo the contract ... God' word gives us one.
The government license is nothing more then a piece of paper giving the government power of the Church.

The 'work' I'm referring to isn't really 'work' like something ya have to do to keep it 'going'. It's more the concept of Being the kind of husband God wants a person to be and being the wife that God wants. Taking time for each other. The newness Of marriage wears off. It becomes the everyday routine of getting up for work, taking the garbage out , mowing the lawn. Taking care of dirty clothes. Taking the time to really talk to each other. Taking time For togetherness.

Your bio info says that you're from the State of Jefferson? You comment that 'we American Christians' allowed the government into our marriages. Well -- marriage certificates Are part of being married. I've never thought of marriage in That perspective. In Any area of life there Are laws to obey / follow. That's part of Life.

Once two people decide To marry is probably when satan gets in the way to ruin relationships. The boss decides to change you from days to evenings / nights. Making it harder To connect with your spouse.

There are the in-laws to 'deal with' on holidays, etc. An unexpected pregnancy or not being able To get pregnant.

So -- yes, there is 'work' / adjustments' being made to the life of being married.

Maybe something as basic as a husband / wife snoring that was never heard before cause you never slept together. And that's No reason To sleep together before getting married.

 

[Sue D.]

@Bob Carabbio --- regarding the street kids in Brazil -- my sister and brother-in-law were there as missionaries. My sister felt led to take in some of those little kids. They were like little animals in the street. Had no concept of Anything. There were a couple of twins that they wanted to take back to the States with them, but couldn't. They had to be taught the very basics of Everything.

Some of the Brazilian cities are as being as some of our states. My sister had sent some pics of their interstates -- looked just like Ours except for the tanks and soldiers.

Some of your descriptions sound like what my husband commented about being in VietNam -- was with a group that did TDY's -- were off the coast of Japan and were not wanted as support in Viet Nam. Some of the things he saw and was warned about.

Actually - some of those warnings two of Doug's brothers came upon just driving in Kansas City years ago. There was a section that one of their brothers had gotten into. It's sad -- the one brother was considered 'white trash' in that Black neighborhood. Two of the brothers were needing to get to where that one brother was -- he was in bad shape and needed help getting out. Both the brothers had permits for fire arms. They checked in with local police. Were told that after a certain time in the evenings, even the police stayed out. They were able to get in -- picked up their brother -- and back out again safely.

Life can be as tough or good as people are willing to make it. That time in Kansas City was decades ago.

Kind of like BLM people -- or ANTIFA -- we all live in this country -- but you'd never know it.

Every one of those people have a soul that will spend eternity either in heaven or hell.

 

[Reba1]

The 'work' I'm referring to isn't really 'work' like something ya have to do to keep it 'going'. It's more the concept of Being the kind of husband God wants a person to be and being the wife that God wants. Taking time for each other. The newness Of marriage wears off. It becomes the everyday routine of getting up for work, taking the garbage out , mowing the lawn. Taking care of dirty clothes. Taking the time to really talk to each other. Taking time For togetherness.

Your first line is my point it is "like something you have to do to keep it going.. Married or single some one needs to take out the garbage or mow the lawn ..do laundry. If we face marriage like it is work or a job IMO that starts it out kinda in a negative way.. 50+ years ago i bought into the label of marriage being work life has taught me i should have better understood God's Word and not done so. I am speaking of equating marriage to Christ loving the church not work.

Your bio info says that you're from the State of Jefferson? You comment that 'we American Christians' allowed the government into our marriages. Well -- marriage certificates Are part of being married. I've never thought of marriage in That perspective. In Any area of life there Are laws to obey / follow. That's part of Life.

Government marriage certificates were not part of life until about 100 years ago. It was the guidance , rules , laws etc of the Church. I would not recommend any one to NOT get the government license in our world to day . Discussing some of the hopes and should 'bes' is way different then not doing what is proper... As to Romans 13 where is the law that say one has to marry. I have government marriage license .

Once two people decide To marry is probably when satan gets in the way to ruin relationships. The boss decides to change you from days to evenings / nights. Making it harder To connect with your spouse.

There are the in-laws to 'deal with' on holidays, etc. An unexpected pregnancy or not being able To get pregnant.

So -- yes, there is 'work' / adjustments' being made to the life of being married.

Maybe something as basic as a husband / wife snoring that was never heard before cause you never slept together. And that's No reason To sleep together before getting married.

"And that's No reason To sleep together before getting married." AMEN I have ear plugs

 

[joestue]

People can be 'intimate' without Being 'intimate'. It's a complicated world

met a girl 2 years ago, she testified she got too close emotionally with a man she was close to (long distance relationship) and God told her to back off.

 

[joestue]

So even married people aren't supposed to do that? I thought as long as both husband and wife are okay with it -- go ahead.

again, it doesn't take long for these types of people to show up.

there is a gnostic idea that pleasure is sin, therefore, sex (which is pleasurable, unless you're sadistic or something) must be justified.
for many, that justification was procreation. therefore, any "sex" that isn't intended for conception, is sin.

these are not new ideas but rather 6000+ year old ones.

 

[Reba1]

So The Words of JESUS has no grounds whatsoever in this Generation of Christians: And these words of JESUS cannot be applied:

King James Bible
But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
New King James Version
But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.
New American Standard Bible
But make sure your statement is, ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is of evil origin.

Pertaining to the Title Thread

"When 2 Christians say they are Dating One another Does that mean they are Sleeping together?"



PS I thought it was a Yes or No Question.

Wow those are some passages for a guy who post long post..

 

[PloughBoy]

Wow those are some passages for a guy who post long post..

You mean I didn't give a "Lecture" or took a "Text". Like my Mother use to shout out among the Congregation. "You better catch Him, He is winding up, he is getting ready to GO! My mother used to say, "Boy you can go" you don't know it, "boy you can GO! when you get through we all might as well go home! LOL

Preachers get to jumping up, Those old women start jumping up, Go ahead boy tell it! 10=15 minutes church is over! LOL Talking about Preaching we use to Preach, talking about GOD! Sometimes 3 sermons none at night, 15 minutes a piece. You talking about Preaching, seem like GOD Would STOP TIME! Talking about GOD and JESUS, it would seem you would see JESUS walking on water! And you could hear the Wind Blowing! i tell you the TRUTH, The Days Of The "ORATORS"! The Words of GOD coming out of your mouth would flow & run smooth like you was speaking through an Echo chamber! And The whole Host of Heaven was there! We where young, Hot, on Fire Preachers Sometimes we would hop church to church until 1:00 at night. Hey man they preaching over here, come on lets go! Get there, another will say. hey they preaching over here at 12 midnight ok lets go! Our wives use to be mad at us! They would say, y'all must got a woman out there! Y'all sleeping with women, Us young boys, we could Preach! " Strictly BIBLE" word for word. It was no such thing as, well this mean that, and that mean this. None of that, Get in that OLD Testament, You knew those stories by Heart! If the wind blowed? You would say" "And when the wind Blowed............... and the More..... they ROWED........ the More..... The Wind.............. BLOWED" and your voice would go low then smooth, and then your voice would Roll. We learn a lot about the Bible by SOLID memory. Word for WORD. We told the stories of THE BIBLE in our Preaching. Today it is very hard to find "ORATORS" of The BIBLE.

Judgment against Judah and Jerusalem
(Isaiah 3)
1For, behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water,
2The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient,
3The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counseller, and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent orator.
4And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.

These Translator in this modern day have even messed up earlier Translations of The Word of GOD! And those who know it, will not say One WORD as If their Paychecks depends upon them keeping their mouths close. Just like "Hitler" did to the Church in Germany before WW II

The replacement words have so much damaging effect on "The TRUTH" but a Host of Benefits For those who Are The Shepherds of GOD sheep.

 

[Reba1]

@PloughBoy I take it you dont care for the Joel Olsteen type .

 

[Reba1]

I was just reading the passage in Genesis 29 - 30, etc. regarding Jacob and Leah and Rachel.

Before he 'got' Leah -- thinking it was Rachel -- he served Laban for 7 years which to him seemed like a few days and then he inquired of Laban for his wife -- so he gathered all the men of the place together and made a feast -- then later that evening Laban took Leah into Jacob to become his wife.

So -- there were 1st the working for his wife and then the feast to commemorate That and Then being taken into her husband.

So -- yes there WAS.

Your bio info says you live in Dallas, Tx. -- I was from Iowa way back then. Not some foreign country like you make it sound like.

Marriage is what people make it to be. You sound more like -- till death do us part and hurry up and lets' get this done so we can be 'legal' -- doesn't sound very 'loving'.

Gen 29:22 And Laban gathered together all the men of the place, and made a feast.

 

[PloughBoy]

@PloughBoy I take it you dont care for the Joel Olsteen type .

You got it! I don't Play GOD, and HIS Word is No play Thing, And He ain't "Smiling" and He sure Ain't "Whistling Dixie". It is to late in the day, to cater to "mankind" For "The Time, Is Almost Here" . For even, when The Scales fall off, these People eyes, They are still going to be Walking in The DARK!
When The "Restrainer" shall be taken away, The WORLD is going to find out, What Man, really became, when he FELL in "The Garden"! And You "Born From ABOVE" Born of GOD, is going to see why, This Whole WORLD has Been CONDEMN, to The Lake of Burning Fire, where their worms die not. You are going find out, what this "creature" became. The day, they ate, from that Tree., "The day you eat, you shall surely DIE" And GOD does not LIE, And those who Tries to use their "Philosophical Thoughts" for thoughts are nothing but the "thoughts", of a "DEAD MAN".

This is not a game, This thing is real and nothing to be "Toyed With" and to be "treated" by the audacity of "Luke Warm" coming out of the Mouths of "The Children of GOD" For if The Children can cry out into STREETs whom You have Quieted, The ROCKS is Going to CRY out! And The Earth is going to Quake! Because of The Silentness of Your voices and your Loudness in Your Defense, and Love For "Corrupted" AND CONDEMN world.

GOD has not "Commanded" the World to follow HIM! He Has Commanded Those who Have Been "BORN of HIS SPIRIT" wash In HIS BLOOD! He has only Commanded Us! "BORN of GOD" "Born of Heaven" to follow HIM! And Not The Children of This World! They are Not like us! They try to act like us, they try to walk like us, But we cannot have ANY FELLOWSHIP WITH THEM! For we have Nothing in Common with "Nominal Christians" and the People of This World! NOTHING!....... For we, ....... are another kind...... A "Creature" that is not of this WORLD.......... And you must not let them convince you..... that you ARE THE Same and that they are like you.... and be very Careful, They Only Love Their OWN...... so do not be .Lured........ by sway of their words.


I'm "PloughBoy" and I am "Carrying the Mail"

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

For this modern day christian Language terminology has change so much. For I understand the words of the world but words of christianity has so many different meanings in this age.

It means they're dating...It also means that it would be none of your business. Who named you judge?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Sleeping together is not the problem...Its what happens when you're not sleeping that gets you into trouble.

 

[Sue D.]

That's for sure

 

[Reba1]

It means they're dating...It also means that it would be none of your business. Who named you judge?

You are judging @PloughBoy and i am judging you for judging ploughboy , Do you not understand the difference between discussion and judging person? It is the business of the church

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

1Ti 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Jas 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempt

The Church has failed, looking the other way minding our business. Many of the Church over look too much. We cover up abortion, wife swapping , stealing, etc. in our groups. There are ways of offering help and correction. Sharing our own sins and recoveries is sometime a way to start. Speaking out in a public forum , no name not even a defined area, is not judging a person. Yet we are to judge a righteous judgment.

Just maybe if some one had judged the Sunday School bus driver my sister and self would not have been molested no telling how many others.

 

[Sue D.]

A person doesn't hear about church discipline any more. That's a mistake. Maybe there's a concern about running people off if standards are talked about / enforced, but a church / body of people/ is similar to a family. A family needs boundaries / rules and the rules need to be enforced. If the members of a family are allowed to do most anything , then there will be chaos within the family as the person will suffer. Same with a church body of people. Biblical standards need to be upheld. And when they Aren't , correcting needs to take place. The testimony of the church is damaged -- more and more sinfulness will be allowed within the church body of people. Tears down the fabric of the Church internally and within the community.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

You are judging @PloughBoy and i am judging you for judging ploughboy , Do you not understand the difference between discussion and judging person? It is the business of the church

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

1Ti 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Jas 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempt

The Church has failed, looking the other way minding our business. Many of the Church over look too much. We cover up abortion, wife swapping , stealing, etc. in our groups. There are ways of offering help and correction. Sharing our own sins and recoveries is sometime a way to start. Speaking out in a public forum , no name not even a defined area, is not judging a person. Yet we are to judge a righteous judgment.

Just maybe if some one had judged the Sunday School bus driver my sister and self would not have been molested no telling how many others.

I am not judging anybody....but you, my friend are guilty then of doing what you slap me for doing....Hypocricy? Hmmmm

What two people do is noones's business, unless noone is one of the two....When what the two do impacts the group, then its everybodys business...Until then, keep your nose out....The bible does NOT say to mind everyone elses business...It says get the log out of your own eye.

 

[Reba1]

I am not judging anybody....but you, my friend are guilty then of doing what you slap me for doing....Hypocricy? Hmmmm

What two people do is noones's business, unless noone is one of the two....When what the two do impacts the group, then its everybodys business...Until then, keep your nose out....The bible does NOT say to mind everyone elses business...It says get the log out of your own eye.

Exactly it is the churches business thank you for realizing the point.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Exactly it is the churches business thank you for realizing the point.

That is not what I said...I said its NOBODYS business until they impact others with whatever they do....the church is people who should mind their own business until somebody is impacted.

 

[Sue D.]

He who complains Too much -- telling others to mind their own business -- usually needs to have Their business scrutenized more. It's the inner attitudes of the person's involved in the 'behind the closed door' activities. Normally -- with married people -- it's their own business. Between them and God. But when 'behind the closed door' involves others who are Not married -- That tends to affect how they relate to others of that church group. And the domino affect can go into action. No one lives in a bubble.