When 2 Christians say they are Dating One another Does that mean they are Sleeping together?

[Reba1]

That is not what I said...I said its NOBODYS business until they impact others with whatever they do....the church is people who should mind their own business until somebody is impacted.

When what the two do impacts the group, then its everybodys business

sin impacts the whole

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

He who complains Too much -- telling others to mind their own business -- usually needs to have Their business scrutenized more. It's the inner attitudes of the person's involved in the 'behind the closed door' activities. Normally -- with married people -- it's their own business. Between them and God. But when 'behind the closed door' involves others who are Not married -- That tends to affect how they relate to others of that church group. And the domino affect can go into action. No one lives in a bubble.

Oookaaay...One reason I stopped going to church years ago...too many Christians trying to run the lives of others....when they need so much help running themselves.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

sin impacts the whole

Whatever

 

[Sue D.]

So - do parents let their 'own' kids do 'whatever' because they Are their Own kids? No -- they set down ground rules and expect them to be obeyed. And they Also have consequences for Not obeying those ground rules. Same goes for a church group. A person should not be leaving 'church' because of the people -- but stay because God's Word is being taught. If the pastor deviates From Scripture -- teaching other than Gospel unto salvation, a works-based salvation Then the pastor is questioned privately and Then a person chooses to leave and go elsewhere.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

So - do parents let their 'own' kids do 'whatever' because they Are their Own kids? No -- they set down ground rules and expect them to be obeyed. And they Also have consequences for Not obeying those ground rules. Same goes for a church group. A person should not be leaving 'church' because of the people -- but stay because God's Word is being taught. If the pastor deviates From Scripture -- teaching other than Gospel unto salvation, a works-based salvation Then the pastor is questioned privately and Then a person chooses to leave and go elsewhere.

Parents are supposed to lay down ground rules and enforce them for their children...but we were not talking about parents and children....And one should leave a church when the Word is not being taught....You know, yourself Sue, that most preachers will not listen to any kind of correction no matter how it's presented....So one leaves that church.

 

[Sue D.]

Some of that depends on how the subject is presented to the pastor. And pastors -- in the Baptist church -- are interviewed and chosen by the people. The pastor in our small church died from COVID back in October. We formed a pastor search committee -- have connected with various pastors to fill the pulpit on an interim basis until a new pastor Is called. Lots of things goes into choosing and calling a pastor. The people should know before hand how the pastor presents Scripture.

If a person is new to a church and questions the pastor -- the person Needs to find out what the pastor teaches before joining a church.

I've known people who've looked for a church based on what They believe rather than what the Bible is teaching. And there are aspects of Scripture that people don't agree on. What affects a person's salvation and what are peripheral beliefs.

If a person prefers P/W rather than hymnal songs. or the other way around. Those things CAN make a difference.

If a person is trying to Correct a pastor rather than being in a 'learning' mode. If it's approached in 'what about 'this' passage' but not in a 'gotcha' attitude.

 

[PloughBoy]

King James Bible
Abstain from all appearance of evil.
New King James Version
Abstain from every form of evil.

 

[Sue D.]

One thing about the video is that she should not have been ordained -- that is for men. Now she'd make a good women's group speaker. But being ordained, No.

The Word of God needs to be preached and prayer / talking to God.

And then you've presented both the KJV and NKJV -- 'every form of' compared to ' all appearance of" evil. I'm sure you had a reason for including that.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

One thing about the video is that she should not have been ordained -- that is for men. Now she'd make a good women's group speaker. But being ordained, No.

The Word of God needs to be preached and prayer / talking to God.

And then you've presented both the KJV and NKJV -- 'every form of' compared to ' all appearance of" evil. I'm sure you had a reason for including that.

You have one verse that says no women preachers and what? sixty six books all with precedent of women prophets and preachers.

 

[Sue D.]

Actually -- it's God's guidelines for elders / bishops in Titus 1: 5 - 9 -- talks about a Man -- being blameless -- the husband of one wife, etc. And in 1 Timothy 3 : 1 - 7 for pastors -- a Husband. and the same for deacons as per vs 8 - 13. They are also to be men with wives who also are to be reverent along with other qualities.

So -- lots more than one verse.

And we're talking about being behind a pulpit in a church -- mixed adults. Assuming a leadership role. And no one is to be putting a woman in a position which would put her in front of a group of mixed adults.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Actually -- it's God's guidelines for elders / bishops in Titus 1: 5 - 9 -- talks about a Man -- being blameless -- the husband of one wife, etc. And in 1 Timothy 3 : 1 - 7 for pastors -- a Husband. and the same for deacons as per vs 8 - 13. They are also to be men with wives who also are to be reverent along with other qualities.

So -- lots more than one verse.

And we're talking about being behind a pulpit in a church -- mixed adults. Assuming a leadership role. And no one is to be putting a woman in a position which would put her in front of a group of mixed adults.

So then...You have a verse or two....by your understanding then, all the women prophets, and ministers from Genesis to Revelation were wrong...and worse yet, God was wrong in appointing them to their ministries....Ok

 

[Hekuran]

Actually -- it's God's guidelines for elders / bishops in Titus 1: 5 - 9 -- talks about a Man -- being blameless -- the husband of one wife, etc. And in 1 Timothy 3 : 1 - 7 for pastors -- a Husband. and the same for deacons as per vs 8 - 13. They are also to be men with wives who also are to be reverent along with other qualities.

So -- lots more than one verse.

And we're talking about being behind a pulpit in a church -- mixed adults. Assuming a leadership role. And no one is to be putting a woman in a position which would put her in front of a group of mixed adults.

Except that there are many, many biblical examples to the contrary. For example, the most important news in the history of the world was delegated to three women to deliver to a group of men.

“You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’”

Mark 16:6-7

Or all the women Paul commends in Romans 16? Phoebe, Junia, Priscilla?

 

[Sue D.]

I'm talking about women and them preaching from behind a pulpit -- it's God's Word I'm sharing with ya'll -- not 'a couple of verses' that I've come up with.

Those particular women were helping -- not preaching.

 

[Garee]

It shouldn't

History repeats itself. Godless faithless mankind cannot change . It is God who makes us different .in that way we cannot boast for what do we have that we have not freeing received of him as if we have why would we boast we have not. We are to think of men above that which is written .

At the end of every kingdom or empire the failure is in respect to moral issues . We are living in time like the first century reformation . New age as the old age.

 

[Sue D.]

Since I AM a woman -- Why would I be challenging the place of women in the ministry -- you'd think I'd be routing For them.

Many years ago , my husband was a pastor and I was a pastor's wife. We knew lots of pastors and their wives. Never once was there a situation with a woman getting behind a pulpit to preach.

Women's lib has a lot to do with the trend for women to be ministers. It simply isn't Biblical.

There are Many women who do wonderfully with Women's Bible study groups.

 

[Garee]

Except that there are many, many biblical examples to the contrary. For example, the most important news in the history of the world was delegated to three women to deliver to a group of men.

“You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’”

Mark 16:6-7

Or all the women Paul commends in Romans 16? Phoebe, Junia, Priscilla?

The commandment is to go out into the world two by two .New testament believer are the temple made without human hands .


Two represents the church mankind (men and women) a picture or parable of the Father and Son working to establish his government of faith.

Prior to the reformation or promise to Joel those under a hierarchy of men kings in Israel .(the abomination of desolation) Jewish women were not allowed to participate in the ceremonies used as shadows . . a high wall was between them and Jewish men. And another high wall separated the gentiles men and women and could not participate . Not even look.

When Jesus as the Son of man came he fulfilled the role of Melchedik a theophany signified as our High Priest continually without mother or father without descent, as the Son of God and therefore fulfilling the promise of Joel . . men and women from all the nations of the world, the new kingdom of priest. Two or three makes a family, nation or tribe Families both earthly and spiritual can go out two by two . The one witness of God greater than the witness of men

Its why the new ceremonial law 1 Corinthians 11 "the hair covering ( representative glory) un covering for the men and bread and blood of grapes testimony was given as a sign to the whole world . Two the witnesses God has spoken .

Prophesying is preaching .What we need is more Deborah's (prophets that declare the gospel ) not less.

Acts 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV)For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

 

[Reba1]

So then...You have a verse or two....by your understanding then, all the women prophets, and ministers from Genesis to Revelation were wrong...and worse yet, God was wrong in appointing them to their ministries....Ok

Your argument is with the Scriptures not Sue

As I said sir; You and I have no basis for discussion...I believe the bible as it is written, you do not.

 

[Garee]

Many years ago , my husband was a pastor and I was a pastor's wife. We knew lots of pastors and their wives. Never once was there a situation with a woman getting behind a pulpit to preach.

Two represented as one the requirement of pastors . .most be able to teach children as examples to the flock . Double honor. The gospel two or three gathering under the hearing of one not seen .

The same should apply to our president a example to the flock . I wonder why having failed (the Clintons) why Hilary would even be a candidate . You would think two terms per family not four. Nothing against Hilary I am sure she kept a tight reign on Wild Bill. (Hiccup ) . . I did not have sex with that woman LOL..

Ultimately we are to call no man or woman infallible teacher on earth (male nor female ). As a kingdom of priest we can plant the incorruptible seed of God's eternal word by which men are born again and water it with the doctrines of God that fall like rain But he must provide the power .the commandment remines the same two by two.


1 Corinthians 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

Again two working as if one. The bride of Christ, the new creation . Neither male nor female. . Jew nor Gentile

 

[Sue D.]

What do your comments have to do with my comment -- I was simply pointing out that Men are to be the preachers, not women. Pastor's wives are to be in supportive roles. As a pastor's Wife I was leading the small children's S.S classes opening time.

 

[Sue D.]

@Admon --- what is so hard to understand that Men to be the preachers -- leading the mixed group of adults. Doing the teaching of adults of mixed groups.

Why not follow Scriptural guidelines set forth by God for leading a congregation.

Going out -- two by two is Not leading a congregation.