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When 2 Christians say they are Dating One another Does that mean they are Sleeping together?

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Your argument is with the Scriptures not Sue
Reba I have no argument with scripture...I see women prophets and ministers all through the bible...God did not make a mistake on any of them... Its we who don't want women preachers...we are the ones telling God that He's wrong. By 'we' I mean Christians in general
 
Since I AM a woman -- Why would I be challenging the place of women in the ministry -- you'd think I'd be routing For them.

Many years ago , my husband was a pastor and I was a pastor's wife. We knew lots of pastors and their wives. Never once was there a situation with a woman getting behind a pulpit to preach.

Women's lib has a lot to do with the trend for women to be ministers. It simply isn't Biblical.

There are Many women who do wonderfully with Women's Bible study groups.
So Sue...Now we know what religion says about women preachers....What does the WORD say? Not just a verse or two, but ALL of the WORD
 
One thing about the video is that she should not have been ordained -- that is for men. Now she'd make a good women's group speaker. But being ordained, No.

The Word of God needs to be preached and prayer / talking to God.

And then you've presented both the KJV and NKJV -- 'every form of' compared to ' all appearance of" evil. I'm sure you had a reason for including that.
We, who are "Born" to "witness", everyone that has been "Born of GOD" and that "witnessing" is not by Choice" But The "Pneumatic" that has enter our being, is the Catalysis that cannot be deny, So that "Proclamation" is inevitable.:pensive: But concerning an Organize Religion, with it rules of Operations which has been define by manKind, is a quarry within its own......... Ordinations, of all kinds of Churches, have all kinds of tests and Requirements, to "preach, To teach, to Lecture, to serve the "Lords Supper", to perform Marriages, to Perform Funerals, Commit the Body to The Grave, visit Prisoners, and Hospitals at odd times of the day and night, and to what Modern Day Christianity calls "Preaching" in which a person must be "License" or "Ordained" by men to do these things. But to "witness" or "Proclaim" what JESUS has done for you requires no License no "Presbytery" to do so:pensive: ..............But only to be Empowered BY GOD! To witness and proclaim what GOD has done for you.:pensive:....... And HE will take care of the rest, and "Let The Dead Bury The Dead" and come follow ME!

Ordination is Given by man, But, the Power of GOD is given by GOD! And My Brothers and Sisters in Christ, for you need no "paper work" to Raise The Dead, and Give sight to the Blind, and lay hands on The Sick for them to get well! Freely you have receive, freely give"!

The words of JESUS! But Some of these People will throw you into The Rims of Bondage! But HE came to set you Free! Now GO!


English Standard Version(Daniel 11: 35)
and some of the wise shall stumble, so that they may be refined, purified, and made white, until the time of the end, for it still awaits the appointed time.

Berean Study Bible
Some of the wise will fall, so that they may be refined, purified, and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.

English Standard Version
And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.

[You cannot be "Purified" not until you have been put in "The FURNACE" where the Flames GLOW Hot!]

(LUKE 24)BSB
44Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.” 45Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.

46And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem. 48You are witnesses of these things.

49And behold, I am sending the promise of My Father upon you. But remain in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”

Let them do the preaching, we will do the "Witnessing and The Proclamation":p and they can take those Papers and Hang them of the wall, ....For i am being kind.:eyes:


The way people use words sometimes are outrageous! I think what "John Bunyan" was in JAIL for about 12 years for "Preaching" without a license. Leaving his wife and family without anyone to care for them. Come on History is full of this kind of stuff! Preaching :eyes: Nothing but a play of Religious Politics, Person cannot pray in schools, How can anyone stop a person from praying in a school. Jesus commanded us to Pray in The Closet. secretly! The word meaning for satan, "The Deceiver" to deceive us to accept his way instead of "The WAY". Play of words
 
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When 2 Christians say they are Dating One another Does that mean they are Sleeping together?

Dating means dating, going out, enjoying time together, getting to know each other.

Sleeping together before marriage is sin, any form of sex before marriage is sin, even thinking about it is sin.

Another common saying in these days is a couple is 'an item', what is an item? It means they are doing 'everything' a married couple does without being married. They are therefore SINNING!

In this day and age people quote, God is Love, although this is true, sadly it is greatly misunderstood by many. What ever happened to 'True preachers'?

Charles Hadden Spurgeon, Jonathan Edwards, these and others preached without fear, they preached about 'The WRATH of God. People today do not want to hear about the WRATH of God, they just want God is Love, and want it their way! But the WRATH of God is to be feared, should be feared, the WRATH of God should be understood, it is PUNISHMENT for SINS!

John Stott puts it this way... “His steady, unrelenting, unremitting, uncompromising antagonism to evil (SIN) in all its forms and manifestations.”

Godly WRATH is vastly different from the wrath of man James 1:20

The WRATH of God is always in accordance with the standards set down in Scripture for man’s conduct and the warnings God has given for disobedience SINNING

God’s WRATH comes after warning of judgment regarding SIN [All clearly listed in scripture so that man has no excuse]

God’s WRATH is always provoked by man’s SIN

Dating, living together, an item, etc, etc. As Selwyn Hughes put it a long time ago in 'Everyday with Jesus'. Man will always change the labels to make things more acceptable to his ways.

Anyone who chooses to have sex outside marriage, think about sexual activity, watch porn, etc, does so at their own peril.

God's Word is clear.
 
Oral sex is immorality sex. The mouth was not made for that.

So even married people aren't supposed to do that? I thought as long as both husband and wife are okay with it -- go ahead.


Scripture tells us, what goes into the mouth goes into the stomach and then to the drain.

If what goes into the mouth comes back out, what comes out of the mouth is vomit and wickedness, unless the mouth is linked to the heart.

Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

The mouth is for eating and drinking, which is confirmed above, what we eat and drink goes to the stomach and then to the drain.

The mouth is for talking and confessing our faith, for singing God's praises, is it not? God created us to Praise Him.

But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person.

Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruits.

All from scripture.

Shalom
 
When 2 Christians say they are Dating One another Does that mean they are Sleeping together?

Dating means dating, going out, enjoying time together, getting to know each other.

Sleeping together before marriage is sin, any form of sex before marriage is sin, even thinking about it is sin.

Another common saying in these days is a couple is 'an item', what is an item? It means they are doing 'everything' a married couple does without being married. They are therefore SINNING!

In this day and age people quote, God is Love, although this is true, sadly it is greatly misunderstood by many. What ever happened to 'True preachers'?

Charles Hadden Spurgeon, Jonathan Edwards, these and others preached without fear, they preached about 'The WRATH of God. People today do not want to hear about the WRATH of God, they just want God is Love, and want it their way! But the WRATH of God is to be feared, should be feared, the WRATH of God should be understood, it is PUNISHMENT for SINS!

John Stott puts it this way... “His steady, unrelenting, unremitting, uncompromising antagonism to evil (SIN) in all its forms and manifestations.”

Godly WRATH is vastly different from the wrath of man James 1:20

The WRATH of God is always in accordance with the standards set down in Scripture for man’s conduct and the warnings God has given for disobedience SINNING

God’s WRATH comes after warning of judgment regarding SIN [All clearly listed in scripture so that man has no excuse]

God’s WRATH is always provoked by man’s SIN

Dating, living together, an item, etc, etc. As Selwyn Hughes put it a long time ago in 'Everyday with Jesus'. Man will always change the labels to make things more acceptable to his ways.

Anyone who chooses to have sex outside marriage, think about sexual activity, watch porn, etc, does so at their own peril.

God's Word is clear.
Most likely, certain translations are going to be Illegal. And Paraphrase is going to be a way of life. Not to long ago, remember it was Illegal to have any portion of The Scriptures in the common mans language was a "Dead Sentence" place upon you or and your Whole Household who had a portion of Holy Scripture in their possessions Man. woman or child could end up dying a violent death, for it was the Law! When the Time "The Church Ruled" :eyes:

The world is erasing our History, and the people is liking it that way.:pensive:
 
Scripture tells us, what goes into the mouth goes into the stomach and then to the drain.

If what goes into the mouth comes back out, what comes out of the mouth is vomit and wickedness, unless the mouth is linked to the heart.

Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

The mouth is for eating and drinking, which is confirmed above, what we eat and drink goes to the stomach and then to the drain.

The mouth is for talking and confessing our faith, for singing God's praises, is it not? God created us to Praise Him.

But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person.

Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruits.

All from scripture.

Shalom
I remember when President Clinton, got in trouble. my wife's father wanted to know, what are they talking about. What did he do? What is that she did to him? LOL, He wanted to know what kind of sex is that? LOL! And He always watch "CSPAN" everyday! He was so confused! LOL And he said: well, what did she do to her dress, and why did she do that? LOL! my wife said, she didn't know what to tell him. LOL

I used to go to the mall and just set and watch people and watch other people watch other people! Especially The elderly couples, and the expression on their faces as they watch others! ....... "Price-less" Especially when they just look, trying to figure out if it is a "male or Female" LOL! with a nose ring in their nose! they don't say nothing to one another...... they just Look! ....LOL
 
Most likely, certain translations are going to be Illegal. And Paraphrase is going to be a way of life. Not to long ago, remember it was Illegal to have any portion of The Scriptures in the common mans language was a "Dead Sentence" place upon you or and your Whole Household who had a portion of Holy Scripture in their possessions Man. woman or child could end up dying a violent death, for it was the Law! When the Time "The Church Ruled" :eyes:

The world is erasing our History, and the people is liking it that way.:pensive:


All this and more 'proves' the spiritual side of our faith, without spiritual warfare there is no evil spirits, there is no satanic forces. The battle is raging, it will continue to rage brother, as we know, until Christ Returns and makes all things new.

Everything is changing in the world and so fast. When I was a kid I had fish and chips, now they put chips into computers. A ram was a male sheep, now they put them in computers etc. A virus was a pestilence not an electronic bug. An item used to be a thing, any thing, now it is two sinners in a sexual relationship. When I was a kid there was a dance called the Gay Gordon's, now Gay Gordon or any other named gay, is a sinner they call the LGBTQ group.

I always though abroad was an holiday in another country, until I watched some American films. Not to mention a clout which was a piece of cloth, ouch!

I am sure we can all add items to the list. But with smart phones and hi speed communication the language is being decimated, the first time I read CUL8R I thought it was a car registration number plate.

The world is upside down, only Jesus puts it back the right way up.
 
I remember when President Clinton, got in trouble. my wife's father wanted to know, what are they talking about. What did he do? What is that she did to him? LOL, He wanted to know what kind of sex is that? LOL! And He always watch "CSPAN" everyday! He was so confused! LOL And he said: well, what did she do to her dress, and why did she do that? LOL! my wife said, she didn't know what to tell him. LOL

I used to go to the mall and just set and watch people and watch other people watch other people! Especially The elderly couples, and the expression on their faces as they watch others! ....... "Price-less" Especially when they just look, trying to figure out if it is a "male or Female" LOL! with a nose ring in their nose! they don't say nothing to one another...... they just Look! ....LOL


:joy: :joy: :joy:
 
So Sue...Now we know what religion says about women preachers....What does the WORD say? Not just a verse or two, but ALL of the WORD


I've been sharing God's Word with you . The books of Titus and Timothy Are books of the Bible. God gave us those guidelines for a Reason.
 
I've been sharing God's Word with you . The books of Titus and Timothy Are books of the Bible. God gave us those guidelines for a Reason.
And what about the rest of the bible? What about precedent? You're sharing an opinion but not Word
 
I'm sharing God's Word -- and 'this' is another 'conversation' that is pointless to continue.
 
Reba I have no argument with scripture...I see women prophets and ministers all through the bible...God did not make a mistake on any of them... Its we who don't want women preachers...we are the ones telling God that He's wrong. By 'we' I mean Christians in general
1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Tit 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Tit 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tit 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.


The Scriptures are patriarchal they are God's Word. Weak men have failed to take their place in His Kingdom .
 
1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Tit 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Tit 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tit 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.


The Scriptures are patriarchal they are God's Word. Weak men have failed to take their place in His Kingdom .
So you too ignore 95% of the evidence and keep only a little that proves your doctrine....interesting.
You too contend that God was mistaken calling women to ministry and prophesy....Ok Sue is right...this conversation is pointless
 
So you too ignore 95% of the evidence and keep only a little that proves your doctrine....interesting.
You too contend that God was mistaken calling women to ministry and prophesy....Ok Sue is right...this conversation is pointless
Show me evidence of a woman pastor.
 
Admon Mikha'el said:
As I said sir; You and I have no basis for discussion...I believe the bible as it is written, you do not.

So do you believe the passages posted as written or not
 
Show me evidence of a woman pastor.
Here are a few....You can dig up more if you want....Its always best to do your own research.
Pastor Priscilla

Prisca was one of Paul’s closest friends. They were such dear friends that the apostle called her by the diminutive version of her name, Priscilla.

Priscilla and her husband Aquila were Jewish business people who met Paul in Corinth and travelled with him to Ephesus (Acts 18). When Paul left Ephesus, Priscilla and Aquila stayed behind and continued to preach the gospel

Pastor Nympha

At a time when the church only met in people’s homes, several women were recognized as church leaders. Priscilla was one; Nympha was another.



Pastor Chloe and her people

Chloe is another one of those intriguing people who gets only a single mention in the Bible: “I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you” (1 Cor. 1:11).

We don’t know anything about Chloe other than she lived in Corinth and she had people.

Who were these people? Were they her companions or a church that met in her house? We can’t be sure. But in the same way that “men from James” came to Antioch, “people from Chloe” came to Paul, and he recognized her as a leader within the church community. In short, she was a pastor.

And here's a few of the women prophets
1. Rebekah

“So she went to inquire of the LORD.” —Genesis 25:22

At verses like this, a misogynist religion runs into problems. Rebekah speaks to God. What to do? The usual solution: invent a man who does it for her! As Esther Hamori notes in Women’s Divination in Biblical Literature, Rebekah’s approach to Yahweh in Genesis 25:22 is often read to say: “Rebekah went to some third party so that he could inquire of Yahweh for her.”

But there is no hint of a male intermediary, and we wouldn’t expect to find one. Many women in the Bible, Hamori notes, are found “engaging in independent divination.”

The brutal truth is that Christianity changed the Bible in “interpretation” into another text—enforcing its misreadings, often, by violence. All along, women have as much access to God as men.
2. Miriam

“Then the prophet Miriam, Aaron’s sister, took a hand-drum in her hand…” — Exodus 15:20

Miriam is identified as a prophet, which confuses Christian readers. She doesn’t give speeches. What does she do besides—playing music?

But a prophet is often a musician, as God is seen in the Bible as accessed through music (cf. 1 Sam 10:5; 2 Ki 3:15, etc.). What Christians might not know is that Heaven is “a place of music,” as Mark S. Krause notes.

To play music is to connect with the divine. And so Miriam starts the party.

Her music is loud—like the sounds of war, as noted in Exodus 32:1-8. And note, there’s later women who play in a similar style (1 Sam 18:6–7; 21:11; 29:5), so they might be ‘prophets’ too.
3. Rahab the Harlot

“I know that the Lord has given you this land…” —Joshua 2:9

A mystic hooker from a dusty city changes the world. What an outrageous story! Christian readers often don’t know about Rahab the Harlot, and if they do, they don’t like her. She a prostitute.

But check out James 2:25, where Rahab is akin to the great Abraham! She was the first non-Jew to enter the covenant community. Rahab was celebrated in early Christianity—because had been the first!

All along, Rahab is discussed as a prophet. She has a mystical ability to know things. She guides the Israeli spies with foresight, and predicts Yahweh will prevail over all other gods.

As Tikva Frymer-Kensky writes: “The first prophet after Moses to announce to Israel the paths of her history, Rahab becomes the first oracle of Israel’s destiny.”
4. Deborah

“Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading Israel at that time.” — Judges 4:4

Because Christian readers often hate female spiritual authority, Deborah has been a real problem. Esther Hamori notes: “With baffling frequency, interpreters question whether Deborah was ‘really’ a prophet.”

Deborah is a prophet, and a musician. She leads her people in song in Judges 5. She speaks in God’s own voice (4:6–7,9,14). She’s a judge, and a “mother in Israel” (5:7), a phrase that suggests an oracular ability.

And she isn’t a “female prophet”—she’s a prophet. As Hamori observes: “There is no good indication that the ancient author was preoccupied with Deborah’s gender or intended to write a story about Deborah ‘as a woman,’ let alone a story about womankind.”
5. Tamar

“She was a virgin, and it seemed impossible for him to do anything to her.” —2 Samuel 13:2

Growing up Christian, Tamar was that “bad” story back in 2 Samuel 13—of a man, Amnon, obsessed with his half-sister. He pretends to be sick, and when she comes to tend to him, he rapes her.

The real story, I realize now, was that Christianity didn’t like details of women in spiritual offices, and misrepresented this narrative. Let’s re-read? Because the details, as it turns out, tell the story.

In v.18, Tamar wears a special coat said to be reserved for ‘virgin daughters’. In “Tamar and the ‘Coat of Many Colors’,” Adrien Janis Bledstein maps out the connections. This coat is “high status, sacred garb”—the same one worn, earlier by Joseph. It signals a divine power of dream interpretation.

In the ancient world, it turns out, a sick person was thought to have a spiritual problem. A ‘sacred virgin’, as Bledstein details, was sent to administer a meal which induced a dream. The dream was interpreted to effect the healing.

When Amnon pretends to be ill, he knows Tamar will come to him in her sacred office. This is not about sex. By biblical law, he can rape her, and claim the status of her husband (cf. Deut 22.28–29). She is David’s daughter, a princess. He’s then boosted his status in the line of succession.

This is Amnon’s bid to become king. The evil that men do for power.
6. Hannah

“Here I am, Lord!” —1 Samuel 1:8 (LXX)

The way Christians tell it, Hannah was a woman who didn’t have any kids. What more tragedy could befall any woman! She needs a kid! She prays to God to get one, and promises to devote him to religious service.

Many Christian women have been given this text to invoke when they are approaching motherhood. But 1 Samuel 1:2–2:21 is not a story about childlessness or using the Bible to get pregnant.

Hannah is a prophetess. The song she sings is deeply theologically informed. The objective here is not just popping out another Jewish kid, but the mesisah. In “Hannah at Pentecost: On Recognizing Spirit Phenomena in Early Jewish Literature,” Reed Carlson notes a whole phrase got snipped out of 1 Samuel 1:8: “Here I am, Lord!”

This is a loaded phrase, said used by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It is a direct address to Yahweh. “It adds to the other indications here that Hannah is meant to be seen as a prophetess,” as Carlson explains.

As Hannah prays, she enters a prophetic state of trance. She’s interacting with the spirit world in a way that appears to be deranged! The High Priest thinks she’s drunk. Another clueless man!

She gives birth and, Carlson notes, “shows herself to be the true forebear of Samuel both naturally and in terms of office.”
7. Isaiah’s wife

“And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son.” — Isaiah 8:3

The woman who bears Isaiah’s son is sometimes called his ‘wife’, which is just Christians being Christian. The text says that Isaiah goes to ‘the prophetess’.

We know little about this woman. As Esther Hamori writes: “What she does in the story, she does only through her reproductive capacity: she bears a sign-child. This woman literally delivers an oracle.”
8. Huldah

“Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Akbor, Shaphan and Asaiah went to speak to the prophet Huldah…” — 2 Kings 22:14

A lost scroll is found in the Temple. The Jewish men know what to do—they go ask a woman for her take. As Esther Hamori notes, many commentators have expressed puzzlement why this would occur, but “there is nothing in the text to indicate that this was unusual…”

Huldah issues the grim words of God: “I am going to bring disaster on this place and its people…”

As often in the Bible, the really brutal disclosures are done by women. Their remarks may not be extensive. No woman prophet writes a whole book. They do quick, quiet disclosures, saying what men can’t bear to say.
9. Mary

The New Testament is an explosion of female prophetic activity. From Anna (Lk 2:36–38) to Philip’s daughter (Acts 21:8–9), women are seeing signs and having visions. In 1 Corinthians 14, Paul tells them they should try and act orderly so they don’t scare people. Prophesy is a little scary!

That may suggest context to Mary, the mother of Jesus. We might not imagine a quiet, serene little slip of a girl. This is a woman whose is not really some dewy, mystic angel. To study passages like Luke 1.26–56, Mary is really a theological heavy-hitter, and we’d imagine a woman of profound insight.

We might also understand her to be a prophet. As N. Clayton Croy and Alice E. Connor observe in a study of the issue: “While its primary purpose is to announce a birth, the Lukan annunciation may also intend to depict Mary as a bearer of prophetic revelation.”
10. The woman who anoints Jesus

“Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.” —Mark 14:9

In Mark 14:3–9, Jesus is anointed. The scene is not one of Christianity’s favorites. A key task of a prophet was to anoint a king, and so it happens here. But it’s a woman who performs this sacred task.

Richard Bauckham writes: “Admittedly, it would no doubt be very surprising for the Messiah to be anointed by a woman, but she might have been seen in the role of a prophet, like Samuel, inspired by God to recognize and designate his Anointed One (cf. 1 Sam 16:1–13).”

Who the ‘woman’ is invites a bunch of textual issues. I suspect it was Mary Magdalene. But I’d just note, for now, the Bible never suggests men have more spiritual ability than women. It suggests the opposite!

Now do some digging for yourself and you'll learn better....Ask the Holy Spirit to teach you.

It's fun digging up pastors....LOL
 
Most of your examples were not ministers / pastors.

This gets into some very murky waters.

The Church came to be in the New Testament.

Priscilla and Aquilla were a husband / wife team. They helped build the church. She was Not 'Pastor' Priscilla

Nympha -- she hosted a number of people in her home.

That does NOT make Chloe a pastor.

"I" could be helping in the kitchen ministry at my church -- that does Not make me a 'minister' in my church.

There's a difference between being a prophet and a preacher.
 
Most of your examples were not ministers / pastors.

This gets into some very murky waters.

The Church came to be in the New Testament.

Priscilla and Aquilla were a husband / wife team. They helped build the church. She was Not 'Pastor' Priscilla

Nympha -- she hosted a number of people in her home.

That does NOT make Chloe a pastor.

"I" could be helping in the kitchen ministry at my church -- that does Not make me a 'minister' in my church.

There's a difference between being a prophet and a preacher.
You think these women simply served tea? Donuts? I gave a list of women prophets and a list of women pastors...
 
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