When 2 Christians say they are Dating One another Does that mean they are Sleeping together?

[Admon Mikha'el]

God's word is true. Women pastors are unbiblical. Pastor = Shepherd. Shepherds lead the flock. The shepherd's were always male. The flock is the ekklesia. Women can lead government and business and be helpers in the ecclesiastical, but not teachers and pastors of men.

You of course have scripture misquoted for this?

 

[JerryfromMass]

You of course have scripture misquoted for this?

No. You have your head in the sand. Again.

 

[Reba1]

According to the references they were not alternating homes...Each of those women, Cloe for example was running a church group in their homes....Put doctrine aside and look at the Word...What does it say....Believe what you read instead of reading what you believe

Will you please post the Scripture to support your words? What does the Word say?

 

[Brother-Paul]

Having had the chance to sit back and read the comments, without adding any myself, it seems clear to me, that we can think of a thousand and one examples, to try fit our view of scripture, which seems at times so indelibly set in some hearts and minds.

I believe it is clear from scripture, that women are to be helpers, and let us not forget that was the reason God created Eve, to be a helper for man, now looking at some of the examples above may I add the following...

A manager often has a close assistant, the close assistant can do most if the things the manager can do, and does many of them for the manager, more so when he is not there, but this doesn't make the helper the manager, just a trusted helper as were the women in scripture.

I do not agree that it is right, on accordance with scripture, for women to be pastor's or bishops by what ever name the denomination uses. To do so is almost as bad as saying the Pope is from a direct line with Peter.

The day and age and time we live in, says women should do, can do, everything men can do, they can not only do so they should be paid the same, women want to be as men and men want to be as women, everything is the opposite to what God created, it 'appears' the devil has domain, for a period only it may appear so, we should look more at why women in this world do and want everything that is against God's will, the answer we will find is very clear.

 

[Reba1]

The day and age and time we live in, says women should do, can do, everything men can do, they can not only do so they should be paid the same, women want to be as men and men want to be as women, everything is the opposite to what God created, it 'appears' the devil has domain, for a period only it may appear so, we should look more at why women in this world do and want everything that is against God's will, the answer we will find is very clear.

Amen

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I find it really interesting how Satan, with the help of Christians has neutralized half of the church by teaching that women cannot minister the Word....We use one single verse against 66 books of precedent and one verse wins? Something is really wrong here people.

 

[Sue D.]

Admon -- there's a big difference between sharing the Gospel unto salvation with whom ever is willing to listen and discipling them as they grow spiritually. AND preaching behind a pulpit -- leading a congregation. The men are Supposed to be the spiritual leaders in church. And in their families.

Remember Adam was created 1st and then was made out of him to be his helper.

Women Can teach younger children in Sunday School. That would be like teaching her own children. Up to about middle-school age. Then the men need to take over.

That's how a healthy church does it.

I know of several women who've been leading women's Bible study groups for years. They do a wonderful job.

 

[Sue D.]

A pastor who was interiming at our church a couple of weeks ago. A guy had come to him as his pastor and asked him to go visit with a neighbor of his. He suggested that the man was His neighbor -- why doesn't he develop that relationship and share with him on a neighborly basis. And that is what 'we' Should be doing -- neighbor evangelizing. Invite him over for back yard picnic or something. Be conversational. And that should be man/ man woman/ woman whenever possible.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Well, I'm going to leave this discussion....I'm really tired today and my head does not want to stay on my shoulders... My days are very short now...... even if I sleep at night, its usually only an hour or two at most...That takes it's toll... Its 3:30 pm and I'm going to bed....bye for now.

 

[Reba1]

I find it really interesting how Satan, with the help of Christians has neutralized half of the church by teaching that women cannot minister the Word....We use one single verse against 66 books of precedent and one verse wins? Something is really wrong here people.

Context matters this is a quote of Matt Henry

The two epistles to Timothy, and that to Titus, contain a scripture-plan of church-government, or a direction to ministers. Timothy, we suppose, was an evangelist who was left at Ephesus, to take care of those whom the Holy Ghost had made bishops there, that is, the presbyters, as appears by Act_20:28, where the care of the church was committed to the presbyters, and they were called bishops. It seems they were very loth to part with Paul, especially because he told them they should see his face no more (Act_20:38); for their church was but newly planted, they were afraid of undertaking the care of it, and therefore Paul left Timothy with them to set them in order. And here we have the character of a gospel minister, whose office it is, as a bishop, to preside in a particular congregation of Christians:

Posting Matt Henry because he says things much better then i do.. Do you agree @Admon Mikha'el that the verses i will post are about setting up the church authority ?
Qualifications for Overseers <<<<< that is a headline from the KJV
1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Qualifications for Deacons<<<<< that is a headline from the KJV
1Ti 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
1Ti 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
1Ti 3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
1Ti 3:11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Do you believe those are the God given qualifications for the positions ?

Do you believe the Scriptures as written?

 

[Reba1]

Forgot to post this one .. Qualifications for Elders
Tit 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
Tit 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Tit 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
Tit 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

 

[Sue D.]

@Reba1 -- I've known Admon for a while -- he gets tired after a while and leaves discussion. Will probably be back later.

But you're right on track.

 

[Gregoryp]

@ Gregoryp -- so to You, a person's sex life doesn't matter compared to being concerned about the 100's of people turning away from worshiping the true Son of God to worship false 'gods'.

Well -- Biblically they Both are very important. The marriage ceremony / whatever that would consist of/ comes 1st in front of friends / family and then consumating the marriage. Things are to be done in proper order to be done the Right way. And to have God's blessing. If a person isn't concerned about having God's blessing on their marriage -- then they probably don't care about who does or doesn't worship God.

You commented that you don't have either friends or family to announce your marriage To? Well -- how did you meet your wife through internet / on-line dating? Apparently you Do have Some friends.

I dont have a wife, never married, no children. Did have some medium term relationships until I returned to the lord (again a long story). Marriage was never in my mind nor having children.

 

[Sue D.]

@Gregorpy -- so on the basis of That -- you're personal life is no one's business. That fact that you Have No private life. But if you Did -- it Still wouldn't be anyone's business.

Well -- for the Rest of us it Does matter.

 

[Reba1]

@Reba1 -- I've known Admon for a while -- he gets tired after a while and leaves discussion. Will probably be back later.

But you're right on track.

Being in ones proper place in the Lord is the best we can be.. Saul/Paul was not in his proper place so God blinded him so he could see. I can not carry a tune in a radio being in a choir i would be out of my proper place. That does not make those folks in the choir above or better then me , it just means they are in their proper place. When we read
The Woman Who Fears the Lord
Pro 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
Pro 31:12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
Pro 31:13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
Pro 31:14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
Pro 31:15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
Pro 31:16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
Pro 31:17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
Pro 31:18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.
Pro 31:19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
Pro 31:20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
Pro 31:21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
Pro 31:22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.
Pro 31:23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
Pro 31:24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
Pro 31:25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
Pro 31:26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.
Pro 31:27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
Pro 31:28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
Pro 31:29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
Pro 31:30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
Pro 31:31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.

Reading this as the Church being HIs bride is a beautiful picture of what the Church could/should be . It also reads as the God given honor to a Godly woman.

Having been raised around churches i have met some female preachers every one of then was 'wacked' in some way, We should not step out of the Godly authority and expect to be blessed.

 

[PloughBoy]

Our Mothers and fathers, sons and daughters, our grand children? Is that our business, who knows the Truth. So in essence do i care about yours, Yes I Do! And yes, will I deliver them the Unadulterated Truth and not my Ideas how I feel things should be, and to make them feel good, Or the proclamation of GOD and not my opinion, in order to warn them of "DANGER" by The Hand of "The ALMIGHTY GOD" for HE is Not MOCK! Even if I have to use Words to "snatch Them, out of The Fire"

For most of us know this Truth::

New King James Version (Mark 6)
But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country, among his own relatives, and in his own house.”
[So do i need you, and do you need me to proclaim the unadulterated Truth to my sons and daughters? YES] and not the Gospel according to ones own understanding, But according to JESUS!


(Matthew 7)BSB
"So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! In Everything then, Do To Others as you would have Them Do To You. For this is the essence of the Law and the Prophets. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.…" .............

.[and there are many who teaches OUR sons and daughters the broad way] even to our "Mothers and fathers"


I don't think the bible teaches anything about Jesus, came to help you have a successful life or the way to have a happy marriage.
For the disciples left their families, they forsook all And many more. throughout the centuries have done the same, And their families have suffered greatly, because their men have forsaken all, even unto death, Their children, wives, mothers and fathers have suffered violent deaths even now!

The Gospel according to Westernization of Jesus Christ is another of gospel concerning "The Christ Child". In which the Bible calls another Gospel that is not "According to Jesus"!. But A gospel of Complacency, of worldly happiness, and a well adjusted personality, in "develop and developing" worlds with Divine perks. that has produce a since of "antinomianism" dress in sheep clothes, Blossoming like a field of Spring Flowers after the latter, rains have consumed the grounds and made them fertile. And now the ground has produce a host of Blossoming irregularities, under the banner, called and label love.

JESUS, Proclaim This, I know: for he has explain it in the Truth: And he does not need to have satan interpret it, like satan did to Eve in THE GARDEN.of EDEN.

You cannot deny these words: spoken by JESUS, and you cannot explain them away.
(Matthew 10)BSB
"But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven. .....Do not assume that I have come To Bring Peace To the Earth I Have Not Come to Bring Peace But A Sword.....For I have come to turn ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.…"

So a Christian would chose to lie in THE BED to keep warm in the bed of a stranger to saved his life.
(Matthew 10BSB
"and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.…"

So many Christians are so "Full of "But Clauses" it ain't funny. to cover their sins of dis-obedience.

"But Clauses" we must patient that term on "TalkJesus" Make it official. "But Clauses"

(LUKE 17)BSB
"Remember Lot’s wife! ...Whoever tries to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will preserve it. ....I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed: One will be taken and the other left."…

You are going to be warm alright would not you "rather be "Cold or Hot"

 

[PloughBoy]

I dont have a wife, never married, no children. Did have some medium term relationships until I returned to the lord (again a long story). Marriage was never in my mind nor having children.

Thats is a blessing from GOD in its own right! I end up with 6 and didn't want any! I married, also because she said she couldn't have kids that woman help drive me to JESUS! I did pray for number 3, i wanted a girl. I got her, But the rest, came on their own. I didn't order them. They are the smart ones

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- you sound So Sweet when you talk about your kids. Not wanting any and ending up with 6.

No kids 'come' on their own. Still takes a male and female to produce one.

Ya just never know how God is going to decide to bless ya. She Thought she couldn't have kids. So you married her thinking you were 'safe'?

God decided to 'bless' you in spite of yourself.

 

[Garee]

The only reason two Christians (male and female) should be sleeping together who are not married is when it necessitates sharing body heat in extreme cold conditions in order for survival.

If all they are doing is dating, Christians should not, indeed would not, be sleeping together except for the foregoing reason.

I would agree. It is how the vow. . . two as one was created and why the ceremonial shadow. . not being unevenly yoked with daughters of men A phrase that speaks of unbelieving mankind fornicating with sons of God. Believers, men and woman of renown moved mightily by Christ working in them like that of Deborah

God destroyed men with a flood to show the urgency of not being unevenly yoked .Just as he killed Onan who refused to perform the ceremonial law .He spilled the seed .It began again after the flood with the sign of the rainbow to remind us not to be unevenly yoked , as in what does darkness have to do with light .


The spiritual seed Christ was protected that way until the time of the Son of man His birth fulfilling the shadow

The protecting of that seed is also shown by the second born as with Abel Isaac Jacob .

Adam the first born of men failed the second Adam (Jesus ) born of God performed the will of our Father

 

[Sue D.]

@Garee -- you Do have an interesting way of interpreting Scripture. Some of it being Way off base.

God sent the world-wide flood to destroy mankind and animal life except what was on the ark because mankind had become increasingly violent -- sinful. Had nothing to do with being unequally yoked with non-believers.

The rainbow was given to us to remind us /assure us that He would never again destroy people by world-wide flood.