Curtis
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God does not "torment" anyone. The scripture says.......Correct, God does send people to hell. Both you and @B-A-C are correct. God sends to hell those who choose to go there.
Correct. At the same time I will argue that no good person will stay with God in heaven if He tortures the wicked. The wicked instinctively know that God is good and that torture is impossible. What they don't grasp and this is where @B-A-C is correct, is that hell doesnt need torture to be terrifying.
Torture is always evil as I explain here Discussion on Torture. God is not evil as prophets who knew God better than us clearly tried to explain. David in Psalm 145:17, Job in Job 34:12 and John in 1 John 1:5.
Most Christians have just not meditated on this fact (torture = evil) and considered all scripture on the topic of hell. They usually stop at and or cherry pick those mentioning fire, darkness and weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Luke 13:28 gives a reason for weeping and gnashing of teeth, it is separation.
Luke 16:19-31 describes suffering in fire, it seems our spiritual bodies cope much better. And Rom 2:6 makes sessions in fire seem viable.
John 3:19 explains that darkness is a metaphor for evil. Evil will take place in hell. Picture a Democrat run city.
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Whose torment is it? It is their own torment not coming from God.
When people know and discover that all their bad choices in not accepting Jesus Christ to be their savior, their own conscience will torment them for NOT choosing what was right and true.