Women teaching. Disobedient to God?

[DancingFeather]

If you took the time to read carefully, ...

So are you saying that women cannot enter into a discussion that has anything to do with the Bible? Or was the the context that women should not teach in church?

:rtm:Take the time to re-read and you will see the answer for yourself. That is the problem of being imperfect. Some grasp immediately and others don't. I can't write it more plainer than it is.

 

[DancingFeather]

Yes, the world sees what it wants to see

Everything goes nowadays I guess. Why not a second day novice to teach and preach since he has passed the first day in Christendom, really no pride will come up I guess since we are all sure of that, remember dont stop a young one from teaching. Hey was not it Adam who disobeyed? Was it not woman who was deceived? Am I getting my bords wackwards? Hey lets not forget this and that on the allowance of one verse being contrary to allow all to do his or her thing. Hey remember if u can see it in your light in Gods word lets allow it. Lets forget authority lets forget Gods structure. Anything goes lets have confusion in the church. Who's church? My church because I preach and want to teach.
Why cant a man who's struggling with lying preach, after all is he not struggling with it?
And the man who had 7 wives after all he is just married to ONE woman now? Hey lets have a woman teach since she is in her third marriage, lets.
Hey lets let a boy who is 10 years old preach?
Lets even allow you finding allowance in the letter of the law to let you preach a sermon lets.

I said all of this for one reason and one reason only, this is what the world see's!
Where is the faithfulness to Gods word? where is there integrity to his word!
Where is one picking up his cross and following him?
I hope this advice is useful to any who may read it.

YOU are absolutely right..the WORLD SEES WHAT IT WANTS TO SEE..THEIR WAY AND NOT GOD'S WAY. Imagine how patient God is with us. I do not dare disagree with anything God says I must do..WHO AM I TO DISAGREE WITH GOD? Who are WE to say or even contredict anything that God has written. I would be afraid that He would strike me down.

People are not with God when they contredict or disagree or question His laws etc. They have the spirit of Satan as did he not do exactly that and sinned against God by deceiving Eve?

When we question God's laws, rules etc..are we not sinning? How can anyone dare question what God says we must do ..IS BEYOND ME..but then Satan is there to put doubt in our minds as he did with Eve..YOU WILL NOT DIE IF YOU EAT OF THE TREE BUT BECOME LIKE GOD!

So when you question what God says or disagree..You are like Satan.

 

[lettheredeemed]

Everything goes nowadays I guess. Why not a second day novice to teach and preach since he has passed the first day in Christendom, really no pride will come up I guess since we are all sure of that, remember dont stop a young one from teaching. Hey was not it Adam who disobeyed? Was it not woman who was deceived? Am I getting my bords wackwards? Hey lets not forget this and that on the allowance of one verse being contrary to allow all to do his or her thing. Hey remember if u can see it in your light in Gods word lets allow it. Lets forget authority lets forget Gods structure. Anything goes lets have confusion in the church. Who's church? My church because I preach and want to teach.
Why cant a man who's struggling with lying preach, after all is he not struggling with it?
And the man who had 7 wives after all he is just married to ONE woman now? Hey lets have a woman teach since she is in her third marriage, lets.
Hey lets let a boy who is 10 years old preach?
Lets even allow you finding allowance in the letter of the law to let you preach a sermon lets.

I said all of this for one reason and one reason only, this is what the world see's!
Where is the faithfulness to Gods word? where is there integrity to his word!
Where is one picking up his cross and following him?
I hope this advice is useful to any who may read it.

There are many believers that are still faithful to God's Word and love the Lord passionately. The Word will always hold it's intergity regardless of what people think and say. Many women are the very one's that are picking up their cross and following close to Jesus just like the women in the Bible did. They were the first to testifiy He had risen. They carried to the news to the apostles. They washed His feet with their tears. I believe that men are the leaders in our families and in the church but women have a testimony for the Savior.

 

[spirit1st]

2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.



1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.


Are we talking Spiritual or in the flesh and which is greater the eternal or the flesh!

I have no problem learning from a woman , a child or a man!


in the Spirit ,led by the HOLY GHOST ,they can teach !


my boss on my jobs a woman!
I can either obey her or be without a job!

 

[DancingFeather]

Boss lady or boss god?

QUOTE=spirit1st;153243]2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.



1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

:disagree:YOU are wrong in saying that you don't mind being taught by a woman etc!
YOU have to follow God's way and not Your way! God does mind that a woman teaches the gospel in the place of a man. She can teach the gospel at home to her children if her husband isn't around..otherwise it is the Head of the Home that is supposed to teach the gospel to the children and his wife. Of course there are exceptions, a woman may be in the truth and not her husband, then she can teach her children.

We will be Kings and Priests ONLY in the Kingdom not here at this present time.

YOur boss woman..is at work..not in a church. she can teach all she wants at her work but would be disobeying God's law if she would teach in church.

It is so simple ..yet people can't see the forest because of the trees.

When you say you don't mind being taught by a woman, then you are not walking in God's spirit..you are walking in Satan's as satan loves to go against God and everything that God holds sacred.

:regret-animated:Think before you talk..make sure you are not angring God by your going against His wishes

. As you must OBEY YOUR WOMAN BOSS AT WORK..or you LOSE your JOB
so must you OBEY GOD'S LAWS, STATUTES AND RULES ECT..OR YOU LOSE YOUR LIFE!

:hotfly:WHICH ARE YOU GOING TO CHOSE? YOUR BOSS LADY OR YOUR BOSS GOD?



Are we talking Spiritual or in the flesh and which is greater the eternal or the flesh!

I have no problem learning from a woman , a child or a man!


in the Spirit ,led by the HOLY GHOST ,they can teach !


my boss on my jobs a woman!
I can either obey her or be without a job![/QUOTE]
:confused2:
SO WHAT WILL YOU CHOOSE..GOD'S WAY OR SATAN'S

 

[Faith4Bride]

1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.


1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.


1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

many claim that a woman can teach as long as she is not usurping a mans authority(if that is possible) but that isnt what paul says He says for a woman not to teach NOR to usurp. That is two differnt things both which are not allowed.- His reason given is NOT CULTURAL OR FOR THE TIME PERIOD- it is because of ADAM AND EVE. Which was 4000 yrs before Paul so our 2000 yr differnce and culture mean nothing.

People also say because we are neither male nor female it doesnt matter what matters is the SPirit. The problem with that, is that IF we walk in the Spirit we PUT TO DEATH the flesh and do not walk in its ways but we put ourselves under all subjection to Gods order and authority which God lays out.This is GODS order in the kingdom of God-
1Cr 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

Notice paul did not say " there is no order because in Christ there is no man or woman."

1Cr 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

1Cr 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Cr 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Women were created for the purpose of being help meets to men/husbands. We are made to have them as our head and we as their body in subjection to them.

When a woman is out of order in her home or in church teaching over a congregation etc.. she is symbolically saying that the BRIDE-church- woman Does not have to submit herself under her Husband- head-man- CHRIST. But can rule herself. We are living examples of GODS purposes.

 

[DancingFeather]

Way to go faith

WAY TO GO FAITH..GLAD THAT ANOTHER WOMAN SAYS THE SAME THING AS I DID BUT IN OTHER WAYS WITH BIBLE REFERENCE, THEREFORE, NO ONE CAN ARGUE. WHAT IS WRITTEN CANNOT BE ARGUED AND WE SHOULD ALL TREMBLE IN OUR SHOES IF WE DARE SAY GOD IS WRONG!

EVE DISOBEYED GOD'S ORDANENCE NOT TO EAT THE FRUIT OF THE TREE, SHE LET HERSELF BE DECEIVED, INSTEAD OF CALLING FOR ADAM OR CALL GOD.

BUT HER BEING DECEIVED HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WOMEN NOT ALLOWED TO TEACH..IT IS SIMPLY THAT EVE WAS MADE FOR ADAM WHILE ADAM WAS MADE FOR GOD IN HIS IMAGE.

THEREFORE, ADAM BEING MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD HE IS HEAD OF THE WOMAN BECAUSE SHE WAS MADE OUT OF HIM AND FOR HIM TO BE HIS COMPANION AS GOD SAW THAT IT WASN'T GOOD FOR ADAM TO BE ALONE.

IT IS SO EASY TO UNDERSTAND...WHEN YOU DISAGREE WITH WHAT GOD SAYS, THEN YOU ARE LIKE EVE WHO LISTENED TO SATAN AND THAT IS ALL WHAT YOU ARE DOING IF YOU DISAGREE WITH GOD.

SATAN MADE EVE BELIEVE SHE WOULD NOT DIE..THAT SHE WOULD BE LIKE GOD AND HE MADE HER BELIEVE THAT GOD *LIED* TO HER.

THEREFORE, IF YOU DO NOT DO WHAT GOD SAYS, THEN YOU ARE CALLING HIM A LIAR..AND YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE WITH YOUR LIFE.

:disagree:GOD CANNOT LIE..THERFORE ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IS THE TRUTH AND ANYONE WHO DARES DO LIKE SATAN AND QUESTION WHAT GOD SAYS WE MUST DO AND NOT DO WILL END UP IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WITH SATAN.

:confused2:IS THAT WHERE YOU WANT TO END UP? IN THE LAKE OF FIRE = ETERNAL DEATH OR..KINGDOM = ETERNAL LIFE?

YOUR CHOICE: GOD GAVE US THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE..HIM OR SATAN.. UP TO YOU!

THANKS FAITH..EXCELLENT WHAT YOU WROTE!

 

[shipwrecksoul]

God's Design not ours

Today I woke up to a new president of the country, really. Her name is Deborah and for the next 40 years she will lead Israel. She is a warrior too; I bet you all knew that as well. She will defeat the Canaanites! Wow right!

We go through a time warp and its now the year 2010. I woke up, again, and besides me is my wife. Her eyes are closed and my thoughts of her tell me that this woman really does Help me. She knows the Lord. God has given her discretion and discernment. She is my helpmate according to God and no one else, no one can fill her shoes in her relationship to me.
God knew a million years ago this woman would have a place in time of being shipwrecksouls wife.
Now its late night time and spiritually speaking , in the course of walking on this earth, Im in the streets of New York city and I have a choice of picking anyone living to be by my side it would be without a doubt my wife. I would not pick billy graham or john mccauther or charles stanley or any other famous name it would and could only be my wife that would Help me as the greatest partner, other the the Lord, in seeing truth.
So to stay with this threads topic my wife would and does appeal to me in her walk with the Lord. Did you hear that? because man disobeyed she can appeal to me in anything she sees that I might not see. She never or would teach me or another. Why would she want to step out of Gods perfect plan for her? Me in my position as a husband, because of Gods perfect plan for me, can allow God to work through me to teach her if necessary in my obedience to Christ. This I think is a perfect design God has set up so why would anyone want to change what God has ordained?

 

[DancingFeather]

So great to see a man see the worth!

BRAVO..BROTHER! YOU see exactly as what the man's and woman's role are. God assigned each one a role in order to compliment each other and so all is in order. You can't have two heads in a household as it would cause confusion and disorder.

God said if a woman is very bright in an area you are not, to listen to her advice, it doesn't mean she is teaching you.

Yes, your wife is your helpmate, to help you steer your ship to arrive at the port safe and well.

Even in heaven all Angels have their roles respectivaly. So it is logical that He would do the same with man.

:star:For the True Christian, God becomes the center of EVERYTHING. The genuine Christian is really GOD-CENTERED. He will want to please God in all his thoughts and actions. He will constanly remember that God is his Father and that Jesus is his Savior, his High Priest and his living, active Head. Therefore he will not be looking for CLEVER TRICK arguments to *get around* keeping God's commandement or His inpired Holy Days.

Therefore anyone who tries to find a way around God saying what a woman can or not do is actually walking in the spirit of Satan and is doing exactly as he did to decieve Eve..saying God is a liar.

Good thread brother. Thank you very much..

 

[Coconut]

Originally Posted by DancingFeather
Get your dictionary out sweet Coconut and you will see it is not the same.

Get your thesaurus out, DF. It will clear the air.

I am so amused

I can't write it more plainer than it is either, so i`ll bow gracefully out and let the women here continue to teach, that women should`nt teach, until the debate wears itself out and the women wane into silence - - then maybe the commandment (as the women teaching here see it) will be fulfilled :wink:



"I am not a teacher, but an awakener. "
— Robert Frost

 

[lettheredeemed]

The Bible stands!

I find it interesting that everyone that posted on the previous page with the exception of two are women.

 

[DancingFeather]

Of course..i noticed it too!

The Bible stands!

I find it interesting that everyone that posted on the previous page with the exception of two are women.

Yep, I'm one of those women. It is absolutely normal that more women than men write on the subject. Because of Eve being the main cause of our demise, women have been the object of BLAME and that is why women are so mistreated.

Of course, Satan will try to deceive us women as he did to Eve, by putting doubt in our minds that God is depriving us! Satan is doing exactly like he did to Eve, saying God is a liar, that we women can do what we want and be equal to men. Satan is putting the EXACT doubt in our minds as he did with Eve.

Why didn't he do it to Adam first! Because, he knew Adam would have not done it. Thus, knowing how much Adam loved his wife, he went through her to get at Adam which was what he wanted.

Isn't it still the same way? I have many times have people come to me to get through to my husband as knowing the wife would have much more influence and men have the tendency to listen to their wives. Because man to man, it wouldn't work so they go through man's weakness, his love for his wife.

Didn't Adam instead of calling God, he let his heart listen to Eve instead of being responsible as the Head and called upon God? Exactly what Satan hoped would happen. Our lives would have probably completely different if Adam had immediately called God and told Him what Satan did to his wife. We don't know what God would have done to Eve, but surely, if Adam had done what Moses did so many times talked with God to forgive His children, i'm sure God would have as Adam would have taken his responsiblity as Head of his wife. Satan would have probably been destroyed and we wouldn't be in the situation we are today.

So Satan knowing, our hearts, how it is easy to get through the woman, he is continuing doing what he did to Eve..DECEIVE US WOMEN..he nearly got me. i was ordained to be a minister and I never went through with it when I fell upon the verse that we couldn't teach men the gospel.

Trust me it wasn't easy for me to give it up and I have kept the ordaination certificat to remind me how close I came to fall in Satan's trap. Thank God, He saw that my heart was not hard but open to discipline and God took the veil that Satan had put over my eyes. Isn't that what God does when you truely want to obey Him fully?

 

[SpiritLedEd]

IS THAT WHERE YOU WANT TO END UP? IN THE LAKE OF FIRE = ETERNAL DEATH OR..KINGDOM = ETERNAL LIFE?YOUR CHOICE: GOD GAVE US THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE..HIM OR SATAN.. UP TO YOU!

Please re-read the forum etiquette rules. To post all-caps is illegal.

SLE

 

[DancingFeather]

Thank You!

Thank you for telling me. I must admit I haven't re-read the rules. Which I will do.

I appreciate you pointing this out to me as I like to obey the rules.

So sweet of you to do so..

 

[DancingFeather]

Your Coin Signature

Please re-read the forum etiquette rules. To post all-caps is illegal.

SLE

Your coin signature goes hand in hand with mine ..chuckle...

 

[Faith4Bride]

dancing amen for your testimony and the grace the Lord had to show you the truth. So the next question i have here is of those women who believe in the blessedness of our postion how many wear headcovers if any???

 

[Veracity]

I am so amused

I can't write it more plainer than it is either, so i`ll bow gracefully out and let the women here continue to teach, that women should`nt teach, until the debate wears itself out and the women wane into silence - - then maybe the commandment (as the women teaching here see it) will be fulfilled :wink:

I percieve that thou are a wise woman Sis Coconut :shade:

I have read and reread and not one place do I find that Jesus made such a commandment, I do recall where He said,"and this new commandment I give you, that you love one another as I have loved you"...but no commandment regarding women preaching and or teaching being a judgment to hell, and that is what I address here.

Where is the love?

I have never heard such a gathering of people, men and women, so excited about the bashing of women who have found Liberty in Christ, and with a blanket of Jesus' love over them.

Not much different than when Jesus healed the man on the Sabbath...

I would think to him that knows to do good and chooses not to, it becomes sin, to choose to refrain from speading the gospel, not sure what that comes under... So any woman who wants to keep silent, so be it, and any woman who is led by God to teach or preach, God bless them.

I have never read so much insulting and damning coated in sugar before..cute, real cute. I can almost hear the seething behind some of these 'keyboard crusaders against women who love the Lord enough to share it', (because that is basically what it comes down to) waiting to be able to take the next crack at sending someone off to hell with a candy kiss on the way down.

So keep on preaching how you are not teaching...that in itself would be a strong argument as to why some women sure should keep silent.



Silly.



:bored:
and by the way SLE, this is meant as, "Here we go again",
not necessarily, "I am bored".
For me this is the official meaning of this smiley.

And this has become a debate.

 

[Faith4Bride]

veracity my ? for you is, do we live by the whole word of God or just by the words in red in four books? Jesus did not say alot of things that are written to us to believe and obey but they are in the whole councel of God so I am not sure where you are going with that?

As far as liberty in Christ, we do not have liberty in Christ to sin or to reject parts of His word or choose to overlook them. If the word of God says (and it does) that a woman cannot teach nor usurp authority, then a woman cannot. If she does so that is not her liberty in Christ that is disobedience. To day other wise is like saying if a woman commits harlotry on her husband she is walking in her liberty in Christ and if she bows to idols( in this conversation- self-) then she is just in the liberty of Christ.

I am just really not sure where some of this is going

 

[Veracity]

veracity my ? for you is, do we live by the whole word of God or just by the words in red in four books? Jesus did not say alot of things that are written to us to believe and obey but they are in the whole councel of God so I am not sure where you are going with that?

There are so many scriptures Christians choose to ignore evryday, regarding God and baptism etc, the list goes on and on, I am ignoring nothing.

As far as liberty in Christ, we do not have liberty in Christ to sin or to reject parts of His word or choose to overlook them. If the word of God says (and it does) that a woman cannot teach nor usurp authority, then a woman cannot. If she does so that is not her liberty in Christ that is disobedience. To day other wise is like saying if a woman commits harlotry on her husband she is walking in her liberty in Christ and if she bows to idols( in this conversation- self-) then she is just in the liberty of Christ.

That my dear is a ridiculous comparison.

I am just really not sure where some of this is going

No doubt.

Hopefully to the lockbox.

 

[DancingFeather]

Veracity..You Are Right.

It isn't that people don't understand, they just don't want to *accept* the truth because being deceived by Satan he coninues to do what he did to Eve..deceive the whole world.

What is Satan's main goal? To make us doubt God as he did with Eve twisting what God said and make Him look like a liar. When we see people twisting by clever arguments..they are just like Satan, they don't accept the Word of God and they don't *live* by the word of God..as Jesus said, "Man will not live by bread alone but by every Word of God, Luke 4:4.

Every Word of God we are to live by. Not take the words that we want that pleases us. If we do then we are not walking in His Word but that of Satan's.

For without the Bible, without the inspired instruction from God Himself n His inspired word, all that remains are the billions of human opinions: "This is the way I feel or "This is how it seems to me!"

Do you get the picture?

That is what exactly is going on in this thread. People are doing exactly that..forming their own personal opinions and twisting the truth to their satisfaction. Anyone who thinks that they know better than God or say they don't mind if a woman teaches the gospel to a man, then they are with Satan and not with God. Pure and simple.

No religion or people are essentially valid as long as people are sincere! We hear that type of reasoning all the time. If God didn't exist, if the Holy Bible was not truly inspired, then such reasoning might stand up. But it isn't so.

I will say it again, " Man cannot live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD of God. Not just, one word, or the word that suits your fancy..but by EVERY WORD of God Jesus said, otherwise He will not recognize you because you are not of His Spirit. Because you didn't walk in the path that He came to give us so we have Eternal life.

We were bought with a heavy price..Jesus blood! Therefore, being bought by Jesus we do not belong to ourselves but to God and as a slave had to obey his master so do we have to Obey Our Master, if we don't then we will end up in the Lake of Fire along with Satan and the all those who will go up against Him at Armagedon.

Only the trulely converted people will then have the divine protection of God Himself during the horrifying Great Tribulation that Jesus Christ specifically propehsied that would occur just before His return. Math 24:21-22.

I leave with these words that Jesus said which are very, very important and should be branded in our minds..

Revelation 3:10.."Because YOU have kept MY command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on earth."

Will you be *HOT* for God and be protected, or *COLD* and be tested when the Great Tribulation comes and it will. All those who will be Hot will be saved from persecution and death, all those who are not will be caught in the Great Tribulation and be persecuted and even die, some will even abandon their faith to save their lives but will only lose their lives in the end.

It is time to ACT NOW because as in the days of Noah when the rains came all were caught by surprise and all died. Not one survived! Only 8 people survived and if Noah had not found favor in God's eyes, I would not be here today to write in this thread.