Women teaching. Disobedient to God?

[shipwrecksoul]

[HIGH-LIGHT]God did not sssssssssssssay that![/HIGH-LIGHT]

Can You guess who just said that?

:disagree:

 

[lettheredeemed]

Is it sinful to discuss the Bible as a group?

 

[RJ]

A teacher is held more accountable. They are also a walking example! We are to be LIVING EPISTLES! When a woman is out of order, and has made themselves a teacher or preacher they are not only stealing headship, but they are teaching in word and deed that it is acceptable for women to be out of order and for men to be led by women instead of by Christ.

Our salvation is not a balance of " youve done more good than bad". The bible says be not many teachers. The total example that a preacher/teacher is supose to be a living example of the righteous living in Christ Jesus of being conformed into His image. Being out of order ruins that.

Also how do we know that if that woman would have been in her proper order, being a holy woman unto God that she would not have effected the salvation and overcomming of even MORE than she did!

And with her being out of order, how do we know how many women and men she caused to be in disobedience, to disrespect the word of God, the power and authority of God when it suits them?

What about those who were brought to the Lord and saved through her teaching of the gospel? How do you reconcile that?

 

[shipwrecksoul]

Yepiii,
I can answer this one.
Because God appealed to them through her.
She did not teach but appealed!

PS, at the end of the day or should I say judgment day God calls in his chips. Meaning if he saved you he saved you. If you refused you refused. If you trusted in the flesh you get no reward. Its as simple as that period end of story.

 

[RJ]

Yepiii,
I can answer this one.
Because God appealed to them through her.
She did not teach but appealed!

PS, at the end of the day or should I say judgment day God calls in his chips. Meaning if he saved you he saved you. If you refused you refused. If you trusted in the flesh you get no reward. Its as simple as that period end of story.

Yepiii,
I can answer this one.
Because God appealed to them through her.
She did not teach but appealed!

?

 

[shipwrecksoul]

at the end of the day or should I say judgment day God calls in his chips. Meaning if he saved you he saved you. If you refused you refused. If you trusted in the flesh you get no reward. Its as simple as that period end of story.

 

[Faith4Bride]

What about those who were brought to the Lord and saved through her teaching of the gospel? How do you reconcile that?

Paul said that some preached Christ of contention just to make his bonds worse, but either way the gospel was preached.
Phl 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
Phl 1:16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
Phl 1:17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
Phl 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.


Just because God uses a person in their sin for the good of someone else does not mean it nullfies that persons willfull sinning. That person will still have to answer for what they did wrongly. One could also say what of the preacher that preached and people got saved but secretly he was a thief and in adultary? Well the scriptures are clear without holiness no one will see the Lord.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Is the female teacher saved despite her blatant disobedience to God? I mean, she brought countless souls to Christ

There is by no means universal agreement in the church that Paul's instruction against women teaching in church is meant for today. Many, myself included, believe that the instruction was for the first century Corinthian church only, and is included in the canon of Scripture as Blical history, not theology.

SLE

 

[Faith4Bride]

There is by no means universal agreement in the church that Paul's instruction against women teaching in church is meant for today. Many, myself included, believe that the instruction was for the first century Corinthian church only, and is included in the canon of Scripture as Blical history, not instruction.

SLE

my question is, if that is true, why does paul give the same teaching to Timothy with no mention of corinth and when timothy is not in corinth and why is the reason he gives, because of adam and eve and not because of that specific church or the culture they lived in??

 

[Veracity]

my question is, if that is true, why does paul give the same teaching to Timothy with no mention of corinth and when timothy is not in corinth and why is the reason he gives, because of adam and eve and not because of that specific church or the culture they lived in??

Husbands and wives. Family, children. "a woman should be submissive to her own husband"

Paul said, "I desire therefore", it was not a commandment from God.

He also said "And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."

Whatever was going on at that time, was why he was saying it. It says nothing about the Lord commanding it forever and ever that women are to keep silent and never teach in the presence of men.

He also said, "God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory."

But people still say God was not Jesus, and Jesus was not God.

He also said, "If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself."

The Bible is a complete "Belief in Christ", one word, or one scripture should never make a whole new doctrine.

Paul also said, "O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge— by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith"

In 2Timothy Paul wrote, "Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer."

"For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

There is always going to be someone who takes things out of context and creates a "new" Jesus system, a new "real" church, the "for real congregation". When Paul was writing these letters, he had no idea that they would become the New Testament. When he sent them to the churches he was addressing, they already knew who Jesus was, and they were reading what we call the old testament, and remembering the teachings of Christ.

Like I said, there are real things in the bible, things that are all a part of the bread of life, not just these crackers people get hung up on. If people would just read what they are reading instead of reading what they have been taught to think, everyone might learn something new, with out a women teaching them, but the word itself. It's by revelation, if you don't want it, you will never get it.

If someone is content to think covering your head means something material, so be it. Serve the Lord.
If someone is content to think that a woman must never cut her hair because it is the covering, go for it, but serve the Lord.
If a woman feels pants are for men only, wear your skirts, and serve the Lord.

How great is our Joy in the Lord if we have time to condemn the whole world for these petty ideas of a work towards salvation?

The truth is in the Book, just have to search it out.

 

[shipwrecksoul]

Husbands and wives. Family, children. "a woman should be submissive to her own husband"

Paul said, "I desire therefore", it was not a commandment from God.

He also said "And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."


How great is our Joy in the Lord if we have time to condemn the whole world for these petty ideas of a work towards salvation?

The truth is in the Book, just have to search it out.

Its that simple. Do you know why God wants the woman to be submissive to her husband? Because the husbands weakness of not obeying God can be built up(to obeying him) through the woman appealing to him to do right. The Man needs his woman period.

The woman needs the man for him to do right so in her weakness in maybe being deceived through other factors is stopped by her willingness to be submissive to her husband to do right in which she helped in the first place. A woman has a BIG job. I would not want it. A job that is as big as, if not bigger, than the man to be the head of the house. God wants man to be the head, he has ordained it.

Should she teach Spiritual applications in church to men? The answer is definitely NO!
In allowing God to work in her, a ministry, to teach other woman to learn the process of helping their husbands? Yes, this is a bigger ministry than one trying to teach men. This kind of ministry of woman helping other woman to help their husbands through appealing
"SHAKES the very FOUNDATIONS of HELL!!"
Because the truth before God in our lives is neither deceived nor disobeyed because the family unit is working together in each others roles as husband and wife.
The atmosphere of a working body of Christ is uplifted for other to see CHRIST which having an obedient husband before God preach can share the gospel!
So enter into the Lords ship of wanting to obey God in the roles he has for you.

 

[Veracity]

Its that simple. Do you know why God wants the woman to be submissive to her husband? Because the husbands weakness of not obeying God can be built up(to obeying him) through the woman appealing to him to do right. The Man needs his woman period.

I agree.

The woman needs the man for him to do right so in her weakness in maybe being deceived through other factors is stopped by her willingness to be submissive to her husband to do right in which she helped in the first place. A woman has a BIG job. I would not want it. A job that is as big as, if not bigger, than the man to be the head of the house. God wants man to be the head, he has ordained it.

Not all men believe in God. So a woman can pretend he is her head, but in truth Christ is her Head.

Should she teach Spiritual applications in church to men? The answer is definitely NO!
In allowing God to work in her, a ministry, to teach other woman to learn the process of helping their husbands? Yes, this is a bigger ministry than one trying to teach men. This kind of ministry of woman helping other woman to help their husbands through appealing
"SHAKES the very FOUNDATIONS of HELL!!"

What?

Because the truth before God in our lives is neither deceived nor disobeyed because the family unit is working together in each others roles as husband and wife.

Yes the family unit.

The atmosphere of a working body of Christ is uplifted for other to see CHRIST which having an obedient husband before God preach can share the gospel!

You left out an entire fact of life.

So enter into the Lords ship of wanting to obey God in the roles he has for you.

I Have, thank you.

Some people just choose to be happy where they are. Thinking they are the only ones that God 'really' finds pleasing in His sight. They take a somewhat pleasurable joy in condemning others to hell, for clothing and other man made traditions. Is God striking them down? Of course not, He does not work that way.

I spent several years trying to live in a "Holiness" church, where the Pastor was like a God figure, and no one did anything unless they first went to Him, dating, marriage, child rearing. It was ridiculous because he had himself set up in God's place. It did not matter if you prayed about it, and felt good about your decision, if it was not ran by him first, you were out of the will of God, according to their doctrinal belief.

I know what the Bible says, I know the truth, I don't need to feel like the whole world is damned because of things that mean very little. Modest dressing does not mean wearing a turtle neck in the summer, and submission does not mean the husband can take his wife to his leader and basically have her stoned for disobedience.

There are people who absolutely live a Godly life, and they don't even know the true nature of God. Holiness is much deeper than many think, and holiness is not condemning people because they don't believe like you. All fall short of the Glory, not just the "outsiders".

This is a tradition of men, plain and simple. There are bigger issues than this, that really mean something, but it is tossed by the wayside for more traditions. Each person must work out there own salvation, if this is where they stop, so be it.

It is wrong to damn people to hell for your beliefs and not the true doctrines of Christ. Jesus did not come to condemn, we are already condemned, He came to save, to give life, to give light, and liberty in His blood from traditions and the law.


What love is there from women who boasts in their holiness and send people off to hell in their mind? It is wrong, and if the husband backs her, they are both wrong, because he thinks he has allowed it?, no, but because they are lacking in true understanding. Men are still letting her eat the forbidden fruit, but because he ate it first this time. Both are deceived, giving Satan credit for something they did on their own.


Do you want scripture? You go find it.
Ya'll have probably skipped right over it a hundred times.

 

[shipwrecksoul]

Dear Veracity I will try to write a sentence after each of your comments in regard to mine above post, OK?

1. Some people just choose to be happy where they are.
(Me)Because people just want what they want when they want it and how They want it.

2. Thinking they are the only ones that God 'really' finds pleasing in His sight. (Me) No real growth.

3. They take a somewhat pleasurable joy in condemning others to hell, for clothing and other man made traditions. Is God striking them down? Of course not, He does not work that way.
(Me) I been In those churches too where the pastor was inept emotionally on how to handle the congregation out of love, They only know academics and not emotions. They always pleaded holiness but did not know holiness out of emotionally meeting their wifes need. God loves us!

4 I spent several years trying to live in a "Holiness" church, where the Pastor was like a God figure, and no one did anything unless they first went to Him, dating, marriage, child rearing. It was ridiculous because he had himself set up in God's place. It did not matter if you prayed about it, and felt good about your decision, if it was not ran by him first, you were out of the will of God, according to their doctrinal belief.
(Me) They rule out of manipulation because they dont know real authority out of Justice Wisdom Love and Power from God.

5. I know what the Bible says, I know the truth, I don't need to feel like the whole world is damned because of things that mean very little.
(Me) Sorry on this statement I must part because without Jesus as your Lord we are damned! Give me credit at least.

6. Modest dressing does not mean wearing a turtle neck in the summer, and submission does not mean the husband can take his wife to his leader and basically have her stoned for disobedience.
(We know this sentence is not in the real world come on.)

There are people who absolutely live a Godly life, and they don't even know the true nature of God. Holiness is much deeper than many think, and holiness is not condemning people because they don't believe like you. All fall short of the Glory, not just the "outsiders".
(Me) With out the savior there is no hope veracity.
I Must stop here and leave the next paragraph for you to read OK?

Some people have an Idea that God is inclusive for mans eternal destiny, that all religions and all people will be saved.

That God will allow all of mankind to enter into heaven because everybody is good so God must be fair and include everyone! It is true God does love the whole world but God is exclusive about mans eternal destiny without the Savior.

To keep this simple man has a problem called sin in which man refuses to believe that there are eternal consequences for having sin, which is a one way ticket to hell. God is holy and he will not allow anyone with sin to enter into heaven. God is hurt and angry about our sin, we have broken his laws.

But God is just and good and he knows our need so he provided a solution to our problem. His solution to our problem is to have our sins removed by having our sins placed on someone else, a sacrifice for us; paying for the penalty of the sin we have in our lives. So that someone else would get the penalty of Gods wrath and separation on him that was meant for us. So God sent his son Jesus on a mission from heaven to earth as our sacrifice to die on the cross on our behalf after this happened three days later Jesus came back from the dead, alive.
But that’s not all remember I wrote that God is exclusive about mans eternal destiny without the Savior? The only way that Gods promise can be applied to your life is for you to turn from your way of thinking and know that your sin offends and hurts God and call on the Lord Jesus who’s alive to save you. Your sins are then transferred to Jesus for what he did at the cross, dying and being abandon by God because of your sins, for you and because Jesus arose from the dead he is alive you can now enter into a relationship with God. Will you call out to Jesus to save you? It’s your choice to enter in exclusively with God’s grace for you. Where will you want to spend eternity after hearing Gods promise for you?

If the answer was yes that you do want Jesus as your sin bearer, Savior, and you do believe God raised Jesus from the dead you can pray with your voice.

“Dear Lord Jesus save me.”

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance towards God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Veracity]

So you still insist that I am lost and going to hell?

I'll pray for you.

:bored:

 

[shipwrecksoul]

Veracity

Veracity I cant insist anything of anyone! But God knows your heart as well as mine. And it does not involve do's and don'ts. What it involves is the Spirit of God coming down and making himself known to us through the gospel! Most really do not know of it. They pretend but God is holy and wants you and me to know of his love through his Spirit through the Lord Jesus Christ.
In anything I say Dont focus on what I say as judgment towards you but Gods open invitation of finding his grace through us seeking his mercy through the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is real and no religion can stand up to his presence none. No un emotional pastor can either, no benign entity can remove Gods promise of an intimate relationship none. God did it all so when there is Godly, Godly, instruction through right channels there a blessing around the corner! Blessing that cries for Gods justice in any matter. God is not evil but Holy and he hears me in my typing this message to you. For you as well as me call on the Lord Jesus Christ who called all worlds into existence!

 

[Veracity]

The Lord absolutely looks at the heart, it is where sin begins, He knows us better than we know ourselves.

The Lord is my life. Without Him I can do nothing, I could not make it through the day if I did not have hope in His love and companionship.

You seem not to understand what I am saying, I am not without the Lord. I am a woman that He has used, not in speaking to groups, but He has had me speak to certain people and share things, sometimes men. To read what some people think, and say in this thread I find to be a shame.

God is the author and finisher of my faith, and I go where He sends me, and I say what He has me say, to whom He has me say it. Yet there are some here that just think a woman has no purpose other than being her husbands helpmate. I have no believing husband. If I had one, I would still follow the direction of the Lord over anything.

It is a relationship, not a religion, not a list of do's and don'ts because I am a woman. I know how to be modest, I know when to speak, I rather have an issue when I am supposed to speak I don't want to. I know when to keep silent, I know when to respect authority. I know who God is, I know what His will is, I know that holiness is within the heart and soul of a person, regardless of clothing hair style or gender.

When someone really has a true experience of God touching them, they are changed, He gives us a new heart. To think that God is this petty is just not true. He is an awesome God.

I know some people need the bondage of rules and regulations, but that is the flesh. Perhaps without it they would loose control, I am not sure. But then that takes us back to do they really know the Lord?

This thread has been very judgmental over things that mean nothing in the Kingdom of God. Haughty spirited people who think they are in a better position in the line to God, they have put their faith in things other than the Lord. Fortunately God is above it all.

We will be judged for our works in the Spirit. Perhaps these women are meant to be what they are, servants to their men, to the men in the church, to all men being submissive. So be it. It is between them and God.

As for me, I will serve the Lord as He leads me, and nothing will hinder me including those that have tried to let standards stand in the way of the Liberty I have in Christ. You don't know me, and I will tell you little else than what I have. I know my God, and He knows me. For someone to try to steal my salvation so to speak with words over things not pertaining to Jesus crucified for our sins, is just silly. Thank God I have already been through that portion in my life.

My point is, I have no issue over your desire to have submissive silent wives, but it is about the self righteous attitude and those who think they are so high that they have the authority to accuse someone of being Satanic to those who do not get caught up in the words you hang on. If you all are finding peace with the things you have said, that is where your heart is. I have no idea who you really are in life except for the words that have been posted here.

My concern are for those who come here and read to learn about truth and find these man made standards and make them a part of salvation, when they mean nothing.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

my question is, if that is true, why does paul give the same teaching to Timothy with no mention of corinth and when timothy is not in corinth and why is the reason he gives, because of adam and eve and not because of that specific church or the culture they lived in??

Corinth and Ephesus were close enough to each other that people regularly traveled back and forth between the two cities. So, I think the trouble in Corinth migrated to Ephesus.

As to the wifely submission question, my study Bible's notes on Eph 5:22 say that submission in that context is the mutual submission referred to in verse 21. It has nothing to do with the man having rule over the woman. It was the same with Adam and Eve. Eve was Adam's helpmate, not his underling.

SLE

 

[RJ]

The Lord absolutely looks at the heart, it is where sin begins, He knows us better than we know ourselves.

The Lord is my life. Without Him I can do nothing, I could not make it through the day if I did not have hope in His love and companionship.

You seem not to understand what I am saying, I am not without the Lord. I am a woman that He has used, not in speaking to groups, but He has had me speak to certain people and share things, sometimes men. To read what some people think, and say in this thread I find to be a shame.

God is the author and finisher of my faith, and I go where He sends me, and I say what He has me say, to whom He has me say it. Yet there are some here that just think a woman has no purpose other than being her husbands helpmate. I have no believing husband. If I had one, I would still follow the direction of the Lord over anything.

It is a relationship, not a religion, not a list of do's and don'ts because I am a woman. I know how to be modest, I know when to speak, I rather have an issue when I am supposed to speak I don't want to. I know when to keep silent, I know when to respect authority. I know who God is, I know what His will is, I know that holiness is within the heart and soul of a person, regardless of clothing hair style or gender.

When someone really has a true experience of God touching them, they are changed, He gives us a new heart. To think that God is this petty is just not true. He is an awesome God.

I know some people need the bondage of rules and regulations, but that is the flesh. Perhaps without it they would loose control, I am not sure. But then that takes us back to do they really know the Lord?

This thread has been very judgmental over things that mean nothing in the Kingdom of God. Haughty spirited people who think they are in a better position in the line to God, they have put their faith in things other than the Lord. Fortunately God is above it all.

We will be judged for our works in the Spirit. Perhaps these women are meant to be what they are, servants to their men, to the men in the church, to all men being submissive. So be it. It is between them and God.

As for me, I will serve the Lord as He leads me, and nothing will hinder me including those that have tried to let standards stand in the way of the Liberty I have in Christ. You don't know me, and I will tell you little else than what I have. I know my God, and He knows me. For someone to try to steal my salvation so to speak with words over things not pertaining to Jesus crucified for our sins, is just silly. Thank God I have already been through that portion in my life.

My point is, I have no issue over your desire to have submissive silent wives, but it is about the self righteous attitude and those who think they are so high that they have the authority to accuse someone of being Satanic to those who do not get caught up in the words you hang on. If you all are finding peace with the things you have said, that is where your heart is. I have no idea who you really are in life except for the words that have been posted here.

My concern are for those who come here and read to learn about truth and find these man made standards and make them a part of salvation, when they mean nothing.

Dear Sister Veracity,

I have been on this thread from the begining and I appologize for butting in at this point but I have to say something here and this is primarily for you!

The truth as you put it above is of the most importance, for it is by living our lives in untruths that get us in trouble; believe me, I have been there!

I respect what the Bible has to say about Women in the Ministery and I respect others feelings about that.
But, I also have this overwhelming conviction to the entire gospel and to keep things in the context of that message.


Here are some truths that I know:

• The ONLY sin attributal to man's "Spiritual Death" is the sin of unbelief in the forgiving and saving power of Jesus Christ.
• Our forgiveness and salvation has nothing to do with Women being Preachers or not.
• Anyone who takes anything out of the context of this Gospel, especially if they want to adhere possible salvation to it, they very well could find themselves "stuck in the Law" and not in Grace.
• I don't know about you, but I have been to many Churches in my time. And when I look back at that in the context of Women, there were a whole lot more Women there doing the Lord's work than men, I'll tell you for sure.
• As long as you are preaching the forgiving and saving Grace of Jesus Christ, you can preach to me any day and I will call you Sister, Sister!

 

[shipwrecksoul]

Yea did God sssssssssaayy that?

Yea did God sssssssssaayy that?

1Ti 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array.
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Please tell me someone what part shall we take our razor to and remove from the word of God? Maybe we should cut out
Hos 10:12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.

I thought maybe a prerequisite for a church to be in order, body of believers, hinges on the fact of things in order like maybe sowing righteousness mercy and most of all seeking the Lords will on the matter.
Someone please tell me does this verse mean anything? Should we remove it too?

Maybe we should remove
Psa 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law meditate day and night.
Psa 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Psa 1:4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
Psa 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

The word of our God stands forever!

 

[RJ]

Yea did God sssssssssaayy that?

1Ti 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array.
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Please tell me someone what part shall we take our razor to and remove from the word of God? Maybe we should cut out
Hos 10:12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.

I thought maybe a prerequisite for a church to be in order, body of believers, hinges on the fact of things in order like maybe sowing righteousness mercy and most of all seeking the Lords will on the matter.
Someone please tell me does this verse mean anything? Should we remove it too?

Maybe we should remove
Psa 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law meditate day and night.
Psa 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Psa 1:4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
Psa 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

The word of our God stands forever!

O.K., I respect your feelings about this.

I suppose you and your church stricklyy adhere to this:
4 A man dishonors his head[a] if he covers his head while praying or prophesying. 5 But a woman dishonors her head[b] if she prays or prophesies without a covering on her head, for this is the same as shaving her head. 6 Yes, if she refuses to wear a head covering, she should cut off all her hair! But since it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut or her head shaved, she should wear a covering. 1 Corinthians 11: 4-7

If this is true, I suppose your church would'nt allow a new woman, seeking a church, to come to your worship service without her head uncovered.

I respect that.

Do you respect and believe in this?:

8 God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9 Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. Ephesians 2: 8-9