Women teaching. Disobedient to God?

[shipwrecksoul]

PS, I hope everyone understands Im being sarcastic here.

I heard somebody try to quote a verse the other day they said,
"Some scripture is breathed by them sometimes and is useful, because I have a problem accepting roles and authority, and sexes, for teaching and rebuking, oh by the way I dont believe in rebuking I just want to teach, and correcting, boy I like to correct others as if IM the authority, in my rightfulness of being righteous. Oh by the way I forgot to add its not useful for mans doctrine either!

I tried so much to tell the person that we are not in heaven yet in what they were saying was wrong so I gave up trying.


PS, I hope everyone understands Im being sarcastic here above.

There is a right time when women should teach and a inappropriate time when woman should teach and there is a right time man should teach and then there is an inappropriate time man should teach
You cant have it both ways!

 

[spirit1st]

WE NEED to be led by the Spirit of truth!
We are NOT under the law if walking in our Spirit!
We NEED very much to be led by HIS SPIRIT!
the carnal thinking is NOT on GODS side!
We cannot please GOD in the flesh !Its only though our Spirit we can please HIM!

The flesh is Not GODS children ! It only the Spirit with in us that has been born of God!
This spirit is a heavenly Holy child of God!
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
We are All equal in our spirit man. none less or more!

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

This is for all in the LORD JESUS CHRIST!
man , woman or child!

They will reveal there fruits ! These are the fruits , God puts in our Spirit , at SALVATION.
al 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit,

Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

 

[shipwrecksoul]

I dont understand? Are you trying to communicate to us that the Lord Jesus did not come in the flesh?

 

[shipwrecksoul]

I dont understand? Are you trying to communicate to us that the Lord Jesus did not come in the flesh?

The reason why I wrote my quote is a lot of people dont live in application of what the Lord Jesus say for us as HUMAN beings.

He, Jesus, told us do not merely listen to what he says but DO what he says!

A lot of people do not apply the principles of what the word of God teaches us they live in a place other than application.
Oh would the church be a lot better if Christians would move to the town called application!

 

[Kit Carson]

PS, I hope everyone understands Im being sarcastic here.

I heard somebody try to quote a verse the other day they said,
"Some scripture is breathed by them sometimes and is useful, because I have a problem accepting roles and authority, and sexes, for teaching and rebuking, oh by the way I dont believe in rebuking I just want to teach, and correcting, boy I like to correct others as if IM the authority, in my rightfulness of being righteous. Oh by the way I forgot to add its not useful for mans doctrine either!

I tried so much to tell the person that we are not in heaven yet in what they were saying was wrong so I gave up trying.


PS, I hope everyone understands Im being sarcastic here above.

There is a right time when women should teach and a inappropriate time when woman should teach and there is a right time man should teach and then there is an inappropriate time man should teach
You cant have it both ways!

Ya know ...you are so correct. About appropriate and inappropriate .

Many women will relate to other women much more so than to one of us stubborn bull headed men. So why should not women have a place in such situations, and others too.
That is not God talking , that is just me. My own little opinion.

As far as sarcasm, that is cool, many times I have tried to explain to folks that we are made in Gods image, we have many of the same feelings he does, we just do not control them as well, we laugh, we have a sense of humor, we can be sarcastic in a fun and easy way.
And God has an great sense of humor too. I have a great story to tell about that, but not sure where to put it.

Anyways you are so very correct in what you said. There are many situations, many walks of life and each person is seeking something in their own way. There is no one perfect and set and cut in stone way to look at things of man. Most try their hearts out and mean good and all intentions are correct. Sometimes we forget to ask God if we are listening to him and not man though.

Ok I will behave now, just saw your post and thought, what a wise thing to say.

Kit

 

[Dreamer]

I was going to say what Spirit 1st said. But he said it better.

 

[Kit Carson]

This has been interesting. But so far it has just been me talking. So I went to God again and the bible.

I would like all who still question this to go read Chapter 7 of Mark.

Pay attention to what Jesus says himself. That even Moses made exceptions to many things to appease the people. And that man insists on his own doctrines and not the Doctrine of God . That the traditions of men do become fore front many times.

I think you will find that very interesting and pretty much answer any questions in any mind about should a woman teach or not based on the opinion of a man.

Kit

 

[Coconut]

I was going to say what Spirit 1st said. But he said it better.

I was going to say what Spirit1st said. But i`m a woman/

 

[Veracity]

I was going to say what Spirit1st said. But i`m a woman/

:quiet: LOL

 

[shipwrecksoul]

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

 

[spirit1st]

1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:


Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?


2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.Rom

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me

 

[Kit Carson]

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

I need to go to the introduction and tell all of you about me. But I am a bit onery. Why would I want to listen to the serpent. What does this mean exactly??
Kit

 

[Kit Carson]

1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:


Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?


2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.Rom

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me

I am just a man who lets play like I do not know God. For a fact I am not well educated, this is fact. But I can reason, so my challenge to you is to explain this so I can understand it.

This to me is a typical example of aimless quoting of scripture, for what purpose, what does it mean?? I do not have one clue what you just said.

Not one.

Kit

 

[Coconut]

:quiet: LOL

I know eh :quiet:

But to hear some peoples ideas of what Christ thinks of women, they should not even be suffered to speak they are such dumb creatures.

Pro 31:26 She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.

Pro 31:28 Her husband also, and he praises her: "Many women have done excellently, but you surpass them all." ...A woman who fears the LORD is to be praised. Give her of the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her in the gates.

Seriously, I well know my place as a woman, but it behooves a man, before overly concerning himself with the womans place, to first know well his place under Christ.

I honestly think men and women will only wrestle with the instructions
pertaining to our roles before God, when first;

1) In their mind the church is separate from the home, when the home must be the church. (what is the church except Christ in US His body)

and secondly;

2) In their mind Christ can be served without serving one another, when if we do not serve one another, we do not serve Christ but only ourselves. (where is Christ except in US His body)

and third;

3) In their mind being the Head means getting something instead of giving something. (what did Christ do except GIVE Himself)

and last but not least;

4) In their mind they dont understand the power of words, they can be used to build up, or batter down. (how did Christ make you what He wanted you to be, except by His word of LOVE)

What is His word? "For God SO loved you, He GAVE HIMSELF..."

The Word does NOT say, "For God so longed to put you in your place UNDER Him, He beat on you with words until you submitted..."

Eph 5:19 When you meet together, sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, as you praise the Lord with all your heart.
Eph 5:20 Always use the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to thank God the Father for everything.
Eph 5:21 Honor Christ and put others first.
Eph 5:22 A wife should put her husband first, as she does the Lord.
Eph 5:23 A husband is the head of his wife, as Christ is the head and the Savior of the church, which is his own body.
Eph 5:24 Wives should always put their husbands first, as the church puts Christ first.
Eph 5:25 A husband should love his wife as much as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it. Eph 5:26 He made the church holy by the power of his word, and he made it pure by washing it with water.
[pause to consider what kind of tender loving care those words portray the LORD lavishing upon us]
Eph 5:27 Christ did this, so that he would have a glorious and holy church, without faults or spots or wrinkles or any other flaws.
Eph 5:28 In the same way, a husband should love his wife as much as he loves himself. A husband who loves his wife shows that he loves himself.
Eph 5:29 None of us hate our own bodies. We provide for them and take good care of them, just as Christ does for the church,
Eph 5:30 because we are each part of his body.
Eph 5:31 As the Scriptures say, "A man leaves his father and mother to get married, and he becomes like one person with his wife."
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery, but I understand it to mean Christ and his church.
Eph 5:33 So each husband should love his wife as much as he loves himself, and each wife should respect her husband.

 

[spirit1st]

THIS SAME type mind is in every child of GOd! No matter what kind of body they came in! The Spirit of that person has the mind of Christ!

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

There are different rules for the flesh and the Spirit! But The spirit rules are
eternal and the laws, GODS Spirit children live under!

Rom 16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
Rom 16:2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Whatever way , SHE needed help they were to do it without questioning! Phebe our sister
He had full faith in this lady that she was living though her Spirit!

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[shipwrecksoul]

I need to go to the introduction and tell all of you about me. But I am a bit onery. Why would I want to listen to the serpent. What does this mean exactly??
Kit

Thats just it you would not want to listen to that ole serpent unless you want to rebel against God. That was eve's downfall, being a woman! Man disobeyed.

1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Christians do still rebel against God by the way. Rebel against what you may ask? Against the whole counsel of God!
God loves man and woman equally the same. But we are not yet ascended, we are in this world but not a part of it.


2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

 

[spirit1st]

THE question becomes ? What is greater the NEW CREATURE GOD makes us or the old creature ?

GODS child or fallen mankind ?

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.


Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.


Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
That is male and female!

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

the question becomes ? Are we being led by the Spirit of truth or the flesh ?

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.


1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
That mind is in our Spirit!

Its the very same mind in men and women in there Spirit!

GOD wants us living though our Spirit, Gods child !

The outward mind , flesh mind needs renewed in its thinking to accept GODS LIVING WORDS AS TRUTH!

the laws are different for the flesh and the spirit!

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Our spirit which is of GOD , does not get along with our flesh!They have two different natures!

the flesh nature is to do evil !
The Spirit nature is too SERVE GOD perfectly without any flaw!

 

[shipwrecksoul]

1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[spirit1st]

Understanding MUST be by the Spirit of truth!
The spirit Born of God , CANNOT SIN!

The flesh that spirit dwells in can!
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Rom 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son,

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Only our spirit is in HIM!


Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.


Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.


Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.


Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.


Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?


Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

We need to keep our flesh under control though our spirit man!

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[Praiseius_Max]

women teaching

The same God that speaks through a man can speak thru a woman. The first person to speak the gospel was a woman when she said ''He is risen!'' WE must remember that back in the Bible days, women were considered property, so they ewer not held in high regard.. To say that a woman can not teach the word of God is a lie straight from the pits of hell