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some one tell me where in the bible it says women are not alowed to teach
Women teaching. Disobedient to God?
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Ok after reading through 1Timothy 2 I want to point out that this is a rule that Paul made and not church law it was not something brought up before a council like the contiversy over circumcision in Acts15 where they came to a dission and then sent it out to all of the churches no 1st Timothy is a letter from Paul to Timothy telling Him how to deal with the problems of The Church of Ephesus let me say again it’s a rule created as a solution for that particular situation it’s not GOD’s law that being said I’d like to take you to Matthew 5:17-19 were Jesus teaches on law 17 “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. 19 So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
See in verse 17 jesus makes it clear that the laws of GOD are set down as a means to an end but this rule in 1Timothy2:11 is a temporary correction for that situation
And you see at the end Matthew 5:19 Jesus says 19 “But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven” he says “anyone” not just the men , but every one who teaches the TRUTH of GOD will be great in the Kingdom of GOD
See in verse 17 jesus makes it clear that the laws of GOD are set down as a means to an end but this rule in 1Timothy2:11 is a temporary correction for that situation
And you see at the end Matthew 5:19 Jesus says 19 “But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven” he says “anyone” not just the men , but every one who teaches the TRUTH of GOD will be great in the Kingdom of GOD
All this has been hashed out, some people just refuse to see the truth, they would rather go through life believing an untruth.
I asked for the scriptures from the post that states,
"A woman can go only so far in teaching a man as to not go over the authority of who a man can be to a man or who God can be to a man.
(this made no sense)
A single woman cant teach men.
A single woman cant teach a couple.
A married woman can teach couples.
Married Woman cannot teach men without her husband and God being present. (when is God not present???
)A woman married or single can go to a prison and deal with men who have sexually abused children".
There is no reply because there is no scripture.
These are man made laws and confinements.
If these people are happy where they are, then they are at liberty to stay in their man made religion, I just think these women should make an informed decision to stay there. They are wrong and should not be teaching this as "hell" worthy doctrine.
To teach other than what the bible says is so wrong.
We are free people!!! Free to worship, to share, to teach and preach the good news of Christ.
THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN use Any part of the LORDS Body at anytime!
Every part has a certain purpose , Still All parts are HIS too use as needed !
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
meaning the carnal laws ,no longer apply!
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
The Spiritual things are different than the flesh things!
The Spiritual things are GREATER!
Every part has a certain purpose , Still All parts are HIS too use as needed !
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
meaning the carnal laws ,no longer apply!
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
The Spiritual things are different than the flesh things!
The Spiritual things are GREATER!
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Veracity
See if you can find the HE and His?
Num 5:15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.
Num 5:16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD:
Num 5:17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:
Num 5:18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:
Num 5:19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:
Num 5:20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
Num 5:21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
Num 5:22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
Num 5:23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:
Num 5:24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.
Num 5:25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar:
Num 5:26 And the priest shall take a handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
Num 5:27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
See if you can find the HE and His?
Num 5:15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.
Num 5:16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD:
Num 5:17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:
Num 5:18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:
Num 5:19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:
Num 5:20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
Num 5:21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
Num 5:22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
Num 5:23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:
Num 5:24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.
Num 5:25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar:
Num 5:26 And the priest shall take a handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
Num 5:27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
There has BEEN a great change! the wife Born of GOD is NOW GODS PRIEST . just as All born of God are GODS PRIEST.
You see it much more about our Spirit, than These weak dying bodies we are trapped in!
the carnal thinking will see the important things of the flesh!
The Spiritual minded will see the Spiritual things Much more important !
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
We are even more than this!
Of course its our Spirit that is this and its our eternal part!
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
We need to judge by the eternal things more than the things we see !
I hope i have helped someone see better?
WE LIVE under the NEW TESTAMENT! Which is After HE died on the CROSS!
He changed the LAW and the PRIESTHOOD of which All GODS children Are NOW part of !
The law is not of faith. LOVE fulfilled the law of moses
You see it much more about our Spirit, than These weak dying bodies we are trapped in!
the carnal thinking will see the important things of the flesh!
The Spiritual minded will see the Spiritual things Much more important !
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
We are even more than this!
Of course its our Spirit that is this and its our eternal part!
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
We need to judge by the eternal things more than the things we see !
I hope i have helped someone see better?
WE LIVE under the NEW TESTAMENT! Which is After HE died on the CROSS!
He changed the LAW and the PRIESTHOOD of which All GODS children Are NOW part of !
The law is not of faith. LOVE fulfilled the law of moses
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Yes this is so true because its God telling us this, because its the ministry of reconciliation.
But we still have roles to perform. We are still male and female. We are still husband and wife, by the way I really liked how you began your comment spirit1st.
We are still Brothers and Sisters in Christ.
Brothers and Sisters.
Theres a difference you know.
We are a royal priesthood yes, but we still have our weaknesses!
We still have the old man lurking about. We want to walk in the Spirit but lots of times we walk in the flesh.
Did Jesus ciome to earth, as a man?
Did not he do a role, as servant as friend and as God?
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The old man is not lurking, He is DEAD , Nail to Our LORDS cross!
But , we still have his weak evil thoughts in our Flesh mind!
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Our flesh mind must be renewed , changed in its thinking!
We were taught to live by sight! Now we must learn to live by FAITH!
Faith that GODS LIVING WORDS are TRUTH!
The old man was our old Spirit! the NEW man, inner man, hidden man, inward man , new creature , is All our new Spirit ! it has the Same type mind as OUR LORD!
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
ITS as HIS mind was when born into this world!
just a baby mind!
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
it feds on GODS WORDS then grows to mature and think like our lord when HE was grown!
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Not trying too hijack , just trying to bless Gods HOLY children
But , we still have his weak evil thoughts in our Flesh mind!
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Our flesh mind must be renewed , changed in its thinking!
We were taught to live by sight! Now we must learn to live by FAITH!
Faith that GODS LIVING WORDS are TRUTH!
The old man was our old Spirit! the NEW man, inner man, hidden man, inward man , new creature , is All our new Spirit ! it has the Same type mind as OUR LORD!
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
ITS as HIS mind was when born into this world!
just a baby mind!
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
it feds on GODS WORDS then grows to mature and think like our lord when HE was grown!
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Not trying too hijack , just trying to bless Gods HOLY children
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Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
We are perfect in Christ Jesus before God!
But we are not perfect in practice!
We have roles while on earth!
The role to teach or Preach.
The role to be quite the role to speak.
The Role of man and the Role of woman.
The role played out by man the role played out by woman. Again we are still Brothers and Sisters here on earth.
In a lot of instances a woman can teach But in a lot of instances a woman cannot teach.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
We are perfect in Christ Jesus before God!
But we are not perfect in practice!
We have roles while on earth!
The role to teach or Preach.
The role to be quite the role to speak.
The Role of man and the Role of woman.
The role played out by man the role played out by woman. Again we are still Brothers and Sisters here on earth.
In a lot of instances a woman can teach But in a lot of instances a woman cannot teach.
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I do not understand practice!
We are perfect in Christ Jesus before God!
But we are not perfect in practice!
Our spirit mind and being is perfect!made in our CREATORS image!
the flesh mind is never perfect!
The I Paul speaks is is HIS SPIRIT!
1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
All GODS children have the spirit of prophecy !
meaning ,our spirit is subject to our flesh mind , unless we walk lots more in our spirits mind!
That is one good reason , Jesus tells , we will fast! So we walk and live more though our Spirit!
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
WE live and walk though OUR OWN SPIRIT !The NEW CREATURE ,HE makes us! That new creature will always follow and obey the LORD 100%
We ALL need to be taught by the Spirit of truth!
He alone can open our eyes to spiritual type things!
our flesh mind cannot see these spiritual type things!
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
If we do not understand, We should ASK the Spirit of Truth to reveal if these things are true or false!
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Our Spirit HAS Everything we will ever need to be More than conquerors!
We are perfect in Christ Jesus before God!
But we are not perfect in practice!
Our spirit mind and being is perfect!made in our CREATORS image!
the flesh mind is never perfect!
The I Paul speaks is is HIS SPIRIT!
1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
All GODS children have the spirit of prophecy !
meaning ,our spirit is subject to our flesh mind , unless we walk lots more in our spirits mind!
That is one good reason , Jesus tells , we will fast! So we walk and live more though our Spirit!
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
WE live and walk though OUR OWN SPIRIT !The NEW CREATURE ,HE makes us! That new creature will always follow and obey the LORD 100%
We ALL need to be taught by the Spirit of truth!
He alone can open our eyes to spiritual type things!
our flesh mind cannot see these spiritual type things!
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
If we do not understand, We should ASK the Spirit of Truth to reveal if these things are true or false!
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Our Spirit HAS Everything we will ever need to be More than conquerors!
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hello spirit1st.
Why do u disregard what Paul tells us in Romans. You gave no comment to what he shared , with Gods leading, with us. You are not Holy and Righteous off of your strength to follow God but off of his mercy for you, us, in the fact we need his strength through his Spirit that we need to claim daily in our walk with him.
So Husband and wives need the same as
in woman teaching and not teaching in instances.
Why do u disregard what Paul tells us in Romans. You gave no comment to what he shared , with Gods leading, with us. You are not Holy and Righteous off of your strength to follow God but off of his mercy for you, us, in the fact we need his strength through his Spirit that we need to claim daily in our walk with him.
So Husband and wives need the same as
in woman teaching and not teaching in instances.
Paul taught on the Spiritual level and the carnal level!
The Only question is ? Which is higher , which is More important?
You judge that!
Everything i said and shown in scripture is 100% TRUTH!
With the correct understanding!
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
the burden in the flesh is for man to go farther than the women!
Too do more!
In there Spirit they are equal! If they walk in there spirit ? they can do anything anyone else can!
Its GODS Spirit who leads our Spirit!
WE the christain are living though our Spirit man!
It does not matter the body we come in! the body is Not our eternal part , Nor the Child of God !
The child of God is a Spirit being! Just like our Father God!
Perfect just like Our LORD!
it has no flaws !
It not a man nor a woman!
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
In our Spirit being! God is not counting if you dwell in a flesh called a woman or in flesh we call a man!
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
we on the other hand might falsely judge one another less or more by the flesh we came in! But the flesh is not GODS CHILDREN!
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Its though our Spirits mind we please God and serve HIM PERFECTLY!
the carnal mind is judging all things by SIGHT!
The spiritual mind is judging all by there Spirits mind!
We have two minds one in our flesh which dies and returns to its place the earth!
The spirit mind goes with the spirit to NEW JERUSALEM or hell!
Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Every woman and child and man has that mind in there spirit!
and it could be much more mature than ours???
If so they will hear the Holy Spirit better and serve Him better!
these are some of the deeper things to know of God!
Most will not understand the deeper or the bible also calls it the strong meat of the word!
They can get very upset with us! but if they love the LORD and study and ask the Spirit of truth? They will see it also!
I my self am still learning and growing in truth!
The NEW CREATURE ,HE makes us women and men, are After the PATTERN JESUS CHRIST!
WE are copies of Our LORD! WE follow HIM in every way! He is the last or 2nd ADAM , All made after Him as they were the first Adam !
All were lost , that were made after the first Adam. None are lost made after the last Adam JESUS CHRIST!
It ok if you do not see all this!
MY Father God told me , a couple years ago, I try to reveal too much and no one can get it!
But I have seen a good number , growing in these trues !
We are to compare Spiritual with spiritual!
We take one subject and find all scriptures that are about that subject! Then we must see how all can be true! They Are! but will only fit together one way! we cannot force any to fit that do not appear too?
The Only question is ? Which is higher , which is More important?
You judge that!
Everything i said and shown in scripture is 100% TRUTH!
With the correct understanding!
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
the burden in the flesh is for man to go farther than the women!
Too do more!
In there Spirit they are equal! If they walk in there spirit ? they can do anything anyone else can!
Its GODS Spirit who leads our Spirit!
WE the christain are living though our Spirit man!
It does not matter the body we come in! the body is Not our eternal part , Nor the Child of God !
The child of God is a Spirit being! Just like our Father God!
Perfect just like Our LORD!
it has no flaws !
It not a man nor a woman!
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
In our Spirit being! God is not counting if you dwell in a flesh called a woman or in flesh we call a man!
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
we on the other hand might falsely judge one another less or more by the flesh we came in! But the flesh is not GODS CHILDREN!
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Its though our Spirits mind we please God and serve HIM PERFECTLY!
the carnal mind is judging all things by SIGHT!
The spiritual mind is judging all by there Spirits mind!
We have two minds one in our flesh which dies and returns to its place the earth!
The spirit mind goes with the spirit to NEW JERUSALEM or hell!
Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Every woman and child and man has that mind in there spirit!
and it could be much more mature than ours???
If so they will hear the Holy Spirit better and serve Him better!
these are some of the deeper things to know of God!
Most will not understand the deeper or the bible also calls it the strong meat of the word!
They can get very upset with us! but if they love the LORD and study and ask the Spirit of truth? They will see it also!
I my self am still learning and growing in truth!
The NEW CREATURE ,HE makes us women and men, are After the PATTERN JESUS CHRIST!
WE are copies of Our LORD! WE follow HIM in every way! He is the last or 2nd ADAM , All made after Him as they were the first Adam !
All were lost , that were made after the first Adam. None are lost made after the last Adam JESUS CHRIST!
It ok if you do not see all this!
MY Father God told me , a couple years ago, I try to reveal too much and no one can get it!
But I have seen a good number , growing in these trues !
We are to compare Spiritual with spiritual!
We take one subject and find all scriptures that are about that subject! Then we must see how all can be true! They Are! but will only fit together one way! we cannot force any to fit that do not appear too?
Kit Carson
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Time for me to tell you how it is. None of you are going to like this because you have been taught otherwise your whole lives. I find the church and all who cling to old laws like ostriches with their heads in the sand.
Those old laws that prohibit women from teaching the gospel are just that old laws. Those old laws and the culture of the time were responsible for many bad thing, slavery, genocide, rape, and many bad things including the oppression and sale of women . It was even ok to sell your own daughter. These were mans laws, and culture, not Gods.
Understand that well, they were not Gods way.
So when you go round spouting all your taught truths go study the bible, and then go study carefully what Christ says in the new Testament, or what is put forth as what he said.
Pay attention to where he says he is not come to dispel any law, and later he says no letter or any tiny bit of the law will go away before time itself leaves. Not those exact words but I do not quote scriptures, I would rather read, ask and pray and find answers. Not take one little verse and say....yep that is the way it is. The law he is talking about is the original laws or commandments set forth by God, he is not talking about culture and traditions and things accepted by the laws of man at the time. I am real sure about this one. Positive.
A great many of the things taught and discussed in bible school and in the churches of today, are simply not right. It is not Gods will or intent to oppress or continue to put women down. That was simply an old culture and tradition, still very present in recent times in the hard line Muslim faith that we are in a war with today.
Do you really find it right to feel or act this way, what does your God given spirit tell you .
There is not one thing wrong with any women if she so chooses and if she is called by God, or even if she just would like to teach, to do so.
That is my take on it, and I know for sure this just upset many of you.
I am not politically correct, I will tell you how it is. I will not agree, just to make you happy and tell you something you might want to hear.
I have thought about this for a good two weeks since I found this thread, went and read the bible a lot again. Then spent time in wonder and question with God, and this is how he explained it to me.
Anyone who holds women to Paul and his teachings of the time and culture are dead wrong.
So I read my post again ,with three of these. I stand by it, think about it, go read the bible, talk to God, and do not listen to silly things .
Respectfully
Kit
Those old laws that prohibit women from teaching the gospel are just that old laws. Those old laws and the culture of the time were responsible for many bad thing, slavery, genocide, rape, and many bad things including the oppression and sale of women . It was even ok to sell your own daughter. These were mans laws, and culture, not Gods.
Understand that well, they were not Gods way.
So when you go round spouting all your taught truths go study the bible, and then go study carefully what Christ says in the new Testament, or what is put forth as what he said.
Pay attention to where he says he is not come to dispel any law, and later he says no letter or any tiny bit of the law will go away before time itself leaves. Not those exact words but I do not quote scriptures, I would rather read, ask and pray and find answers. Not take one little verse and say....yep that is the way it is. The law he is talking about is the original laws or commandments set forth by God, he is not talking about culture and traditions and things accepted by the laws of man at the time. I am real sure about this one. Positive.
A great many of the things taught and discussed in bible school and in the churches of today, are simply not right. It is not Gods will or intent to oppress or continue to put women down. That was simply an old culture and tradition, still very present in recent times in the hard line Muslim faith that we are in a war with today.
Do you really find it right to feel or act this way, what does your God given spirit tell you .
There is not one thing wrong with any women if she so chooses and if she is called by God, or even if she just would like to teach, to do so.
That is my take on it, and I know for sure this just upset many of you.
I am not politically correct, I will tell you how it is. I will not agree, just to make you happy and tell you something you might want to hear.
I have thought about this for a good two weeks since I found this thread, went and read the bible a lot again. Then spent time in wonder and question with God, and this is how he explained it to me.
Anyone who holds women to Paul and his teachings of the time and culture are dead wrong.
So I read my post again ,with three of these. I stand by it, think about it, go read the bible, talk to God, and do not listen to silly things .
Respectfully
Kit
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so do not listen to paul, listen to you? Blame it on their culture when Paul blamed it on adam and eve? Think that many things in the bible are wrong because of the culture of the time?- You were wrong sir, you are " politically correct". You are attempting to throw out all the word of God that you do not like and blame it on their time period because you prefer to be politicaly correct today.
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Hi :
Sorry to be late, I have been busy and I wanted to make sure of how to explain things so I again asked God how to say this, I will try to do my my best, I am not well educated so sometimes I struggle with the written word in its right meaning. So here goes.
I believe God is the God of peace and not the God of conflict. Man wrote the bible, and man is not perfect. The scholars of old and we today look at things and read things and in spite of ourselves we form an opinion. Is this wrong, no, is Satan involved, no.........it is what we do and opinion, culture and change move with the times and the world. Is this wrong, no, it is what it is.
If I took the bible and all it has to say to heart 100 percent and if I did not have a understanding of the slavery, genocide, rape, killing of children and oppression of things due to mans way, not Gods, I would throw the bible and God in the trash and become an atheist. But I was very fortunate to be granted an understanding long ago that man is man, and God is God and man will do things, and pat himself on the back and say......God told me to do it, and God gets credit for a great many things that he did not have anything to do with. It was and is man.
There are a great many things in the bible that seem to be conflict upon first read or study, especially if taken by themselves and one does not understand the entire message. One has to understand the entire message , not one little passage or one verse or chapter. It all ties together to the point you do gain understanding.
Some examples are such as the creation of the world, in Genesis it would appear that there are two stories of creation, conflicting views.
The two thieves on the cross, or was it one, or more, exactly? Did both curse God, or just one, did both accept God or just one, there are accounts of this that seem to conflict.
Neither of the above statements do actually conflict, one is a greater explanation than another in one and the other is simply man, and our own inborn mistakes, be it then or in the interpretation and rewrite through the ages of time.
Gods law is Gods law, and mans law is mans law culture and tradition. Much of that does influence viewpoints and what we and they thought was correct at that time.
The main thing for me to sum it all up with is quite simply, the basic message is clear, we are saved by grace, it is a wonderful plan, and if we like the scholars of old become what do you call it, theoligists, (however you spill that one) and dice and slice and study and fret and figure and form opinions we cannot see the tree for the forest. Even Jesus says such things are foolish. It is best to live a good life, treat others with all due respect, smile and enjoy what has been given and just accept good things, and test and study bad ones and not fret over them , just stay away. Let god guide you, not man.
I find the modern church and religion totally amazing sometimes. The church will tolerate such deviant behaviors and tolerance of bad things it boggles the mind, yet they will hold to old conservative so called laws ....sometimes to control people, sometimes with just well intended misunderstanding . But do it they will. And they do all the time . No wonder God gets upset with us all. He does seem to have a world of patience.
I simply believe and not on my own, but through study of the bible and taking to God about it, there is not a thing wrong with any good person teaching the word of god. Be it man or woman. If that soul knows and Loves God , why would he even worry about what sex they are. There are many things in the bible that prove this also.
Much of this is interpretation by this church or that one, and this religion or this one, liberal or conservative....but the main thing is man has his own laws, and culture and opinion and makes mistakes,
God has his own way, laws and does not make mistakes. It does take time to understand, and study on your own, and prayer and talks with the spirit to understand it all. Not that I totally understand it, but enough so that I do not dwell on if it is right or wrong by mans way, only that if it is ok with God.
I feel that is is.
One thing that is my opinion and totally my opinion, is simply that one of the things that causes us men or the human race to resent or wish to not allow women to teach or hold a position of power is not only our own resistance as men to it, but the recent T.V. so called ministries that we see on T.V. Here is some woman with so much makeup on her face if she smiles her face will fall off. Giggle, backwards handsprings and another giggle. Lol!! Do not confuse this nonsense and the teachings they say with a true soul of God, whatever the sex of the person.
Respectfully
Kit
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so you are saying that Gods word is not totally true, that man had the ability to add his own ideas in there. That the bible claims that some things were God that really never were God? Either the whole bible is the word of God or it is not. Either what it says of God is true or it is not.
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Yes it seems nowadays people pick and chose what they want to accept from Gods word. Some of what Gods word say is relevant today but tomorrow its not. But next week we can tweak what he says but lets not forget when we want others to obey us it means exactly what we attitude it to be.
What hypocrisy! You see if there is no standard there is no obeying. If there is no Obeying its do as you please maam as long as I dont have to listen to God!
Most churches are dying because of this catering to Self!
God did not say it.
Period.
What part of that do you not u n d e r s t a n d?
Paul made a point of saying "I", or "I would not have", he did not have the authority to give commandments. Yet somehow this dedicated apostle, has been turned into a Savior.
There are eleven commandments, and I would be willing to say even the holier than thous continue to break them daily, why do you think Jesus died on the cross?
Do you worship Christ or do you worship Paul? Paul was baptized in Jesus name, and taught such, why doesn't everyone rush out and get baptized in Jesus name?
Because as Shipwrecksoul said, "people pick and choose what they want to accept from God's word".
Period.
What part of that do you not u n d e r s t a n d?
Paul made a point of saying "I", or "I would not have", he did not have the authority to give commandments. Yet somehow this dedicated apostle, has been turned into a Savior.
There are eleven commandments, and I would be willing to say even the holier than thous continue to break them daily, why do you think Jesus died on the cross?
Do you worship Christ or do you worship Paul? Paul was baptized in Jesus name, and taught such, why doesn't everyone rush out and get baptized in Jesus name?
Because as Shipwrecksoul said, "people pick and choose what they want to accept from God's word".
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I do not want to get the thread off track, but I want to ask a simple question, give you food for thought. And I sincerely pray this does no harm and is viewed with all just consideration.
Somewhere in the bible, you see I have no desire to quote little scriptures to slice and dice Gods word and become so extremely intelligent about it that I know more than God. (giggle) It says this guy was walking down the road and some children came out and called him names, I think he had no hair, so they asked him if he needed any shoe polish to buff up his head . Something like that.
So the guy got mad, and cursed the children and God caused a spirit to enter some Bears and tear up the children. There are a great many things that are simply mans way, mans word, mans traditions, mans culture of the time. Does god wish us to use his word to oppress others of any sex, I do not think so. I apply this to Paul also. Paul was but a man like myself. He was in fact not a good man either until he met God. He like me will make errors, and apply sometimes what he or I believe to a certain way. And this is good at the time, customs and rules do change, and we are now beyond those customs. God tells us that we must obey and uphold mans laws , we have to to get along and survive, but to not let those laws totally rule us, to cause us to sin or be dishonest. To live within them pray for our leaders and such things. God has never said a woman cannot be a teacher, that was man.
Do you really believe that. I do not. That is mans account of things and God would not harm children. (about the bears too lazy to fix my edit and new sentence)
I rest my case, I have said all I will say on this matter. There is no need to continue the fuss.
God has simply conveyed to me, that it is cool for any soul who loves him to be one with him. Does not matter what sex they are. His salvation and plan is open to all.
Take Care
Kit
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