Can you be both Liberal and Christian?

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brother @Chad
Interesting responses to your poll brother!
It's also a difficult one to quantify, because of the use of the word "Liberal" and what we who live in the U.S.A. have seen it as meaning, against how others in other countries see being a Liberal means.

Still, if they would use the opening guide you provided, in understanding the positions named, they'd hopefully see how we who live here explain many of the dividing lines that exist between what is acceptable against what is not. Are Christians & Conservatism mutually exclusive? No, but in the greater amount of instances, the Liberal and Conservative be they Christian or not seek personal freedoms as their focal point of interest. However, it's how far the freedoms are allowed to go and in what areas, is where we find the differences and these dividing lines.

At one time these differences for the most part could be discussed. Sadly, that is no longer the case. The Far-Left or Far Right seem to have taken over any discussions we might have had in the past, and have moved them into the area of litigation. That is why as some have mentioned the areas that allowed the balance of ideas/beliefs are now being challenged and being brought forward to have changed, i.e. Electoral College, Number of Supreme Court Justices. People who live in other countries might do well to come to understand these particular topics, if they desire to understand, the balance that U.S.A. and it's Government teeter upon.

Still, the basic concern of believers are still relevant to the day and to say otherwise, is to be living with blinders on. I don't care where a person may be from, be it U.S.A., UK, Europe, Africa, China, etc. the believer should stand to be counted on the side of righteousness, which by doing so allows the spread of the Gospel to the ends of the Earth. So, that all may hear and call upon the name of the Lord to be Saved! I have yet to see any overtly controlled Government allow Christianity free reign. In fact the more Government, there happens to be, greater it appears are the restrictions placed upon Christianity. Still, even adversity will not stop His Word from spreading or getting out!!! It will only be more difficult that's all to the faithful that step out in faith!

In the U.S.A it clearly has come down to a two party system. The Democrats/Republicans with a mishmash of other parties which lean from far left through far right in what they stand for. I count myself an Independent, even though the state I vote in only allows me to vote in the General Election and not the primaries. In those elections I usually find myself voting for the Republican candidate. They either are professes of their faith in Jesus, or stand for values that align more with Biblical principals. Needless to say they rarely if ever win in this state I live in. Still, I try to stay faithful, to those who do attempt to enter this arena called politics, and call Jesus their Lord and Savior. So, I caste my vote in their favor.

Now one would think that the biggest item on the list to touch ones heart should be Abortion. Yet, it's not a new story for humanity. Given on how its been done throughout history, the method now used is actually more "humane", if one can call it being done for any reason or method "humane". An example is Ancient Rome, where the unwanted babies would just be tossed in the gutter. No, humanity has not changed much, over the years. Just the method, less trying for our sensibilities to, if not accept, at least to not be too overly concerned about as we live our every day lives. Lord we need you!!!

Each subject could be broken down as it has been done in the opening post and grey areas found if one were to phrase it just so. That would allow a believer to almost question what is true and righteous way for us to walk in. We have what we need to do so, but too often relegate it to the back seat. Bringing it out only in Church, or maybe here while posting, but surely not enough to say "our feelings" placed against His Word, just might be what is wrong. So, follow His Word we should, no matter how we may feel, or how the World tells us it ought to be.

That's why I appreciate you brother for following up the article with subject Bible verses on some of the subjects. It's easy to get emotional on some of these issues, and then the name calling begins. Keep it in light of Scripture, and then all we'll be doing if we let our feelings override Scripture, is arguing with God. We know who wins then

God bless you brother and all that you do for us.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Bill]

Dear Brother @Chad
Interesting responses to your poll brother!
It's also a difficult one to quantify, because of the use of the word "Liberal" and what we who live in the U.S.A. have seen it as meaning, against how others in other countries see being a Liberal means.

Still, if they would use the opening guide you provided, in understanding the positions named, they'd hopefully see how we who live here explain many of the dividing lines that exist between what is acceptable against what is not. Are Christians & Conservatism mutually exclusive? No, but in the greater amount of instances, the Liberal and Conservative be they Christian or not seek personal freedoms as their focal point of interest. However, it's how far the freedoms are allowed to go and in what areas, is where we find the differences and these dividing lines.

At one time these differences for the most part could be discussed. Sadly, that is no longer the case. The Far-Left or Far Right seem to have taken over any discussions we might have had in the past, and have moved them into the area of litigation. That is why as some have mentioned the areas that allowed the balance of ideas/beliefs are now being challenged and being brought forward to have changed, i.e. Electoral College, Number of Supreme Court Justices. People who live in other countries might do well to come to understand these particular topics, if they desire to understand, the balance that U.S.A. and it's Government teeter upon.

Still, the basic concern of believers are still relevant to the day and to say otherwise, is to be living with blinders on. I don't care where a person may be from, be it U.S.A., UK, Europe, Africa, China, etc. the believer should stand to be counted on the side of righteousness, which by doing so allows the spread of the Gospel to the ends of the Earth. So, that all may hear and call upon the name of the Lord to be Saved! I have yet to see any overtly controlled Government allow Christianity free reign. In fact the more Government, there happens to be, greater it appears are the restrictions placed upon Christianity. Still, even adversity will not stop His Word from spreading or getting out!!! It will only be more difficult that's all to the faithful that step out in faith!

In the U.S.A it clearly has come down to a two party system. The Democrats/Republicans with a mishmash of other parties which lean from far left through far right in what they stand for. I count myself an Independent, even though the state I vote in only allows me to vote in the General Election and not the primaries. In those elections I usually find myself voting for the Republican candidate. They either are professes of their faith in Jesus, or stand for values that align more with Biblical principals. Needless to say they rarely if ever win in this state I live in. Still, I try to stay faithful, to those who do attempt to enter this arena called politics, and call Jesus their Lord and Savior. So, I caste my vote in their favor.

Now one would think that the biggest item on the list to touch ones heart should be Abortion. Yet, it's not a new story for humanity. Given on how its been done throughout history, the method now used is actually more "humane", if one can call it being done for any reason or method "humane". An example is Ancient Rome, where the unwanted babies would just be tossed in the gutter. No, humanity has not changed much, over the years. Just the method, less trying for our sensibilities to, if not accept, at least to not be too overly concerned about as we live our every day lives. Lord we need you!!!

Each subject could be broken down as it has been done in the opening post and grey areas found if one were to phrase it just so. That would allow a believer to almost question what is true and righteous way for us to walk in. We have what we need to do so, but too often relegate it to the back seat. Bringing it out only in Church, or maybe here while posting, but surely not enough to say "our feelings" placed against His Word, just might be what is wrong. So, follow His Word we should, no matter how we may feel, or how the World tells us it ought to be.

That's why I appreciate you brother for following up the article with subject Bible verses on some of the subjects. It's easy to get emotional on some of these issues, and then the name calling begins. Keep it in light of Scripture, and then all we'll be doing if we let our feelings override Scripture, is arguing with God. We know who wins then :smile:

God bless you brother and all that you do for us.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Wow, good read

 

[Dovegiven]

I was trained extensively and have much experience in law enforcement, which includes neighborhood safety. Though retired, I was drafted to be president of our Neighborhood Watch. When I allowed Republican candidate signs in my yard, knowing the majority here is Democrat, we began having vandalism on our property. There were anti-terrorism remedies I could employ, but my wife and I agreed not to fight back with cameras and violation charges. We just kept replacing signs. The landscape repairs will be in the thousands if we decide to continue beautification goals. For now we're letting the neighbors be constantly reminded of the foolishness of mixing politics and neighborhood. They are not seeing the magnificent rose blooms, annual flower beds, and a perfect lawn marred by vehicle tire tracks. There is no more door to door dialog, and the neighborhood watch was cancelled by a vote meeting I was not advised of, which did away with my position and all others. We suddenly became a neighborhood of hatred, silenced. So. We have our own mega security system, and keep up our local church attendance. The neighbor's addresses are filling the newspaper police reports with burglaries, break-ins, and two home invasions this year already. I still patrol the area when I can, but the relationships we had are erased.

I just opened an envelope from our mailbox without a stamp.. Inside was a Post It with "We will have the power again come November and you will never have it again. If you come close to it, we will kill you." Of course it was not signed. I do not plan to avoid taking a stand for righteousness. knowing the police won't be of help. We won't get support until someone breaks the door in, so I won't wait for them to come.

The next federal election will likely be the most dangerous ever so far.

Pray, Church, and get involved. Be willing to lose your tax exemptions.

 

[Christ4Ever]

The next federal election will likely be the most dangerous ever so far.

Pray, Church, and get involved. Be willing to lose your tax exemptions.

Very true Brother and sending our Prayers Heavenward are especially needed.

Thank-you for sharing your ongoing experiences.
Adding you and family to my prayers.

 

[Dovegiven]

Very true Brother and sending our Prayers Heavenward are especially needed.

Thank-you for sharing your ongoing experiences.
Adding you and family to my prayers.

Thank you, Brother. It's sad that when neighbors seek your help and advice, they insist you vote contrary to righteousness. My head shakes side to side many times a day. Last week a county Quorum Court advisory came out for citizens to turn in our firearms "for the sake of peace". There is no respect for the 2nd Amendment. My position is how is it that can peace can be secured by total disarmament, absolute non-resistance? That is a total yielding to any enemy that chooses not to disarm. Well, by favoring Conservative representatives, I am a public enemy number one. Who cares about some other future public enemy? I don't buy it. It might be a swarm of Demoncratic extremists.

 

[Curtis]

Mat 10:34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Luk 12:51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.

 

[B-A-C]

Does every Liberal stand for every single Liberal cause?
Does every Conservative believe in every single Conservative initiative?

Probably not, but as a blanket statement...
The liberals enacted Gay marriage, legalized marijuana for recreational use, "non-binary" transgenderization, abortion, long term abortion, and full-term abortion.
The gun thing isn't that big of a deal for me, likely because it hasn't affected me yet. I believe in the 2nd amendment, I notice people in the Bible (even the disciples)
were allowed to carry weapons to defend themselves.

John 18:10; Simon Peter then, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest's slave, and cut off his right ear; and the slave's name was Malchus.
Luke 22:38; They said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough."

As a rule, it seems Liberals wants to do anything that breaks up the family unit, and anything that is against the Bible.

 

[Dave M]

I was trained extensively and have much experience in law enforcement, which includes neighborhood safety. Though retired, I was drafted to be president of our Neighborhood Watch. When I allowed Republican candidate signs in my yard, knowing the majority here is Democrat, we began having vandalism on our property. There were anti-terrorism remedies I could employ, but my wife and I agreed not to fight back with cameras and violation charges. We just kept replacing signs. The landscape repairs will be in the thousands if we decide to continue beautification goals. For now we're letting the neighbors be constantly reminded of the foolishness of mixing politics and neighborhood. They are not seeing the magnificent rose blooms, annual flower beds, and a perfect lawn marred by vehicle tire tracks. There is no more door to door dialog, and the neighborhood watch was cancelled by a vote meeting I was not advised of, which did away with my position and all others. We suddenly became a neighborhood of hatred, silenced. So. We have our own mega security system, and keep up our local church attendance. The neighbor's addresses are filling the newspaper police reports with burglaries, break-ins, and two home invasions this year already. I still patrol the area when I can, but the relationships we had are erased.

I just opened an envelope from our mailbox without a stamp.. Inside was a Post It with "We will have the power again come November and you will never have it again. If you come close to it, we will kill you." Of course it was not signed. I do not plan to avoid taking a stand for righteousness. knowing the police won't be of help. We won't get support until someone breaks the door in, so I won't wait for them to come.

The next federal election will likely be the most dangerous ever so far.

Pray, Church, and get involved. Be willing to lose your tax exemptions.

wow, my brother that sucks, I need to add you to my pray daily pray list.

 

[Rad]

God's will was for Israel to be the cherished "utopia" the world has only dreamed of. All they had to do was obey Him. So what would be wrong with America being so blessed, if only turning to God? Israel had their very wealthy, who were the ones providing distribution of wealth enough to sustain a very healthy economy. So must it be in any nation. None survive when everyone has their equal slice of prosperity, as just one tendency that destroys economy is laziness.

The majority of those "billion" in abject poverty have worshiped many gods for many generations. Their nations turned their backs on God. Why should the wealthy of the world divide up their treasures to them who suffer by their own poor choices? Escape the culture of horrid ignorance preached by "Fake News" broadcasters. Wake up America. Satan wants to destroy us.

A major plan is working out. Middle America, the main "red states" are not able to recruit young physicians, relying on older who are retiring early to escape the computer burden of health records. That alone is forcing many to head for either coast. Infrastructure planning is going those directions. The ide is to empty the mid 3/4 of America, by many means, like elimination of their voice by removing the Electoral College. A side "benefit" for younger Americans is the demise of older, incapacitated folks, who are silenced already. Displaced workers like coal miners and oil workers will have to merge into services industries on the coasts. The idea of "churches" will have been removed from consciousness out of sheer economic collapse due to movements of mid Americans to the coasts, and without financial power.

So I suspect some here would be comfortable to pass through" Nero's" highways lit by human Christian torches hung on poles? You are paving your way to endure the horrors of the book of Revelation. When Christians are taken out, all the thoughts of all remaining people will be continually wicked, and finally imitating the days of Noah.

Walk away from the "progressives" who are actually setting up an unreversable regression of everything you now enjoy. There is only one utopia, and that is God's way. Accept Jesus as Lord and savior of your souls.

No Nation has turned to God, for ALL men are sinners and its in our Nature to follow our own desires rather than Gods Will, this is even more pronounced when Nations are involved, for they act almost exclusively out of self interest and rarely acknowledge their Evil acts trying to justify them in the name of a greater good,

The majority of those living in Wealth have also worshipped many Gods for many generations, they may have called themselves "Christians" but as Jesus said, "these people profess me with their mouths, but their Hearts are far from me", the rich have exploited, oppressed, Murdered and stole their way to a position of Wealth and power, and continue to do so to maintain their position, any pretence of Christianity has long been burnt out at the alter of Mammon.

I suggest you read Matthew 25 vs 31-45 for Christs depiction of the Day of Judgement, its not through some notion of self righteousness, or National redemption, or pre eminence that God will call his own, but through the Love and Compassion we show to others, particularly those in need, by which our Salvation will be deemed, and those qualities of Love and Compassion are to be found far more often in Liberal thought than in the Greed driven, self centred Philosophy of Conservatism.

 

[Rad]

Christ4Ever said "In the U.S.A it clearly has come down to a two party system. The Democrats/Republicans with a mishmash of other parties which lean from far left through far right in what they stand for. I count myself an Independent, even though the state I vote in only allows me to vote in the General Election and not the primaries. In those elections I usually find myself voting for the Republican candidate. They either are professes of their faith in Jesus, or stand for values that align more with Biblical principals. Needless to say they rarely if ever win in this state I live in. Still, I try to stay faithful, to those who do attempt to enter this arena called politics, and call Jesus their Lord and Savior. So, I caste my vote in their favor. "

...... would be interested to know just what Biblical principles Republicans stand for, particularly in relation to caring for those in need, Military spending, the Rich, both individuals and Corporations, and Stewardship of Gods Earth,... as we all know words are cheap, its easy to profess belief or faith in something or someone, its our actions that count, as Jesus said "by their fruits they shall be known!.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Christ4Ever said "In the U.S.A it clearly has come down to a two party system. The Democrats/Republicans with a mishmash of other parties which lean from far left through far right in what they stand for. I count myself an Independent, even though the state I vote in only allows me to vote in the General Election and not the primaries. In those elections I usually find myself voting for the Republican candidate. They either are professes of their faith in Jesus, or stand for values that align more with Biblical principals. Needless to say they rarely if ever win in this state I live in. Still, I try to stay faithful, to those who do attempt to enter this arena called politics, and call Jesus their Lord and Savior. So, I caste my vote in their favor. "

...... would be interested to know just what Biblical principles Republicans stand for, particularly in relation to caring for those in need, Military spending, the Rich, both individuals and Corporations, and Stewardship of Gods Earth,... as we all know words are cheap, its easy to profess belief or faith in something or someone, its our actions that count, as Jesus said "by their fruits they shall be known!.

Hello Rad,
If you notice I stated I'm an Independent, but usually find myself voting for the Republican candidate. Why? Usually, the ones I vote for are first professing Christians. Rarely do they happen to be Democrat. Now whether the Republican Platform point by point can stand against the Bible Standard. I doubt it. However, I'd have to say that the Democratic Platform is even further removed from the Bible.

I give Kudos, to the Republicans, because they at least acknowledge God, and acknowledge the right to "The Free Exercise Clause is both an individual and a collective liberty protecting a right to worship God according to the dictates of conscience.", so even those I disagree with are accorded the right to do. Democrats do not, except for their mentioning of Religious Minorities and their use of the phrase "God given potential" three times. Since Christianity is not considered a minority religion, this party doesn't accord them like consideration. In fact they do whatever they can to marginalize them.

Now, platforms are nothing really more than words. So, one must look to actions as you have noted as well. One should look at the voting records, and what exactly they vote for. Now a days with the Democratic Party moving in a more Socialist direction. I have even greater concerns with them. Haven't seen Socialist success stories out there, so those supporting this political system are less likely to receive my vote. The Republican Party has their own issues. Once again the Words of the Platform don't actually line up with how they vote.

With all that being said, I'll stick to voting to an individual and not a Party. I truly hope this explains where I'm coming from when I vote. Hopefully, you will look to the person as well, and not to Party. Understanding that the UK has a bit different situation to go by. You might have to go about it a bit differently.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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P.S. Don't believe everything you read in the papers either. Seems they all have an agenda, so weight what you read concerning the U.S.A. with a grain of salt. It's never as good as they say, nor as bad. The truth of any particular matter probably falls somewhere in between. Unless of course you hold to Scripture, have Holy Spirit guidance, and then what is happening becomes much clearer. Plus, we should really be about our Masters business. Spreading the Gospel, and increasing the Kingdom of God. To His Glory and Praise.

 

[Brad Huber]

Yes, most media worldwide works for the deep state which works for the spirit of the evil one. Its wise to not believe everything you read, and to rely on the Holy Spirit to lead you where confusion, lies, and chaos tries to pretend it spreads truth.

 

[Brad Huber]

And for the time being, I prefer OAN (One America News) on the internet for the most accurate news source. Fox news used to be better than most but its slowly being turned into a mouthpiece for the deep state.

 

[Bill]

Yes, most media worldwide works for the deep state which works for the spirit of the evil one. Its wise to not believe everything you read, and to rely on the Holy Spirit to lead you where confusion, lies, and chaos tries to pretend it spreads truth.

My friends, you are comparing apples and oranges. When it comes to God versus the world ecomonies. Then there is a huge difference.

As it is written, God can make prophets from the rocks.

If God can make prophets from the rocks, dont you think He can support an economy any way He wishes.

On the otherhand. Mankind comes up with all sorts of ways to develope a nation. Some are more inspired by God.

We in the USA are inspired by God, and those who wrote the Declaration of Independence were also inspired by God. Of this i have no doubt.

But we are not Isreal, the Apple of God's eye, though as a nation we could say we have inhereted God's love.

We have to not set ourselves up as on a totem pole. Not let pride rule us (USA). But live only as an example, letting God lift up our nation. And letting God be the becon of our lives.

All nations our are brethren in Christ.

 

[Brad Huber]

What apples and oranges are you referring to? I said to rely on the Holy Spirit, which is of God, a gift of God to help guide us. Dont you rely on the Holy Spirit, or do you rely on someone you see as a prophet?

 

[Bill]

What apples and oranges are you referring to? I said to rely on the Holy Spirit, which is of God, a gift of God to help guide us. Dont you rely on the Holy Spirit, or do you rely on someone you see as a prophet?

Sorry to include you directly bro. I havent figured out how to reply without including a quote. Cant just make a comment to a thread.

My words were to those who feel God has to have an economy established in order for His ppl to survive.

 

[Chad]

I havent figured out how to reply without including a quote.

Simple. Just type in the text editor box without clicking any reply icon in a post.

 

[Bill]

What apples and oranges are you referring to? I said to rely on the Holy Spirit, which is of God, a gift of God to help guide us. Dont you rely on the Holy Spirit, or do you rely on someone you see as a prophet?

To answer your question, you already know that answer. And i see The Holy Spirit lives in you.

 

[Bill]

Simple. Just type in the text editor box without clicking any reply icon in a post.

Thanks

 

[Bill]

Did i find it. Old man status. Lol