Do we have freewill ? did we have freewill since the beginning ?

[PloughBoy]

I don't have to leave planet Earth do you already know the answer to that question. God knows, and it is the mystery of God that we do not understand. But for us we choose.

God created Paradise for us but man chose to sin. And he was cast out of paradise.

God created the Earth and all the inhabitants and at the time of Noah he became angry with all the inhabitants of the Earth because of the sin that they chose to do. And God chose to destroy what he created. Noah against all the pressure of the world built the ark and in his faith gave God the opportunity to save the creatures and his family.

God was angry at Sodom and Gomorrah and yet Abraham spoke to God and asked will you destroy the good with the bad. Because of Abraham God changed his mind and brought the number down to a few.

So it is with us. God is going to bring such judgment down on the Earth that the Earth itself will tremble. But we can change that if we just prayed. When was the last time at your churches were the pastor asked you to pray for the sins in the world that God would forgive the world of its sin. When is the last time that the preacher talked about praying for others that are not of your church that they would come to find God.

It is because the churches are so arrogant, not even taking the time to pray for the sinners in the world. That God has allowed this false teaching to be spread, because you're not listening to him. The false teaching of the rapture. Many are making the Rapture their new God

And what's going to happen when you finally realize that the free tribulation mid tribulation Raptors are not going to happen at all because we are all going to go through it

Now Bill. you know i like you, But I am going to make this "Detroit plain", and "Port Huron" is familiar with the vernular, I been up ther many of times, and Hunted up in "Alpena. Michigan" many of time with some guys who lived in "Port Huron". Matter of Fact They Got up A hunting party one evening to find me, because I got Lost in "The Devils LAKE" swamp area. It was DARK, AND they line up and was going to march down through The State Forest, Black bear , wild Cats and Swamp, to come an get me. But I met them on the road. 16 years in a roll we hunted, High Power Rifles, Scope. 7mm, 308 Mag, 30.06 Bolt Action, Mauser . 375 Magnum Compact pistol, loaded with "44 mags".


Ok Ice broken.

Your Quote: in Post # 155
:I don't have to leave planet Earth do you already know the answer to that question. God knows, and it is the mystery of God that we do not understand. But for us we choose.:

The Question you ask in; Post 143
Your Quote:
"I only have this question when it comes to people who believe that everything's predestination why is there a last judgment, for what point seriously what's the point of having a judgment if everything's predestination?"

My reply to your Question: at Post 145
"Hey Bill, The answer to that question will be known too. if you can wait. All those questions will get answered. Before you hit that casket."

Now, your reply to My POST 145 answering your question.
POST 155
"I DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE PLANET EARTH DO YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. GOD KNOWS, AND IT IS THE MYSTERY OF GOD THAT WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND. BUT FOR US WE CHOOSE."


My response, ok i back down i am out of here.
bye

 

[emanuel88]

John Calvin is no false teacherabout freewill, what you have gone to saying this is just shows you don't know it all. And John Calvin was A man who wrote and expressed himself in the bible and did good in a time when the word wasnt know yet. Pioneered to show even in mistake he makes as human G-d has a plan in predestiantion and freewill and he did he's part he wasn't perfect but your not Jessutruth either. Recognize G-d decides not you. Your not G-d just another believer let G-d judge what john calvin did because he knows better than you. If your saying aliens exist and that's not true bill your wrong it's not were talking here okay were just talking and this is A discussion only. And if your aiing bill that freewill is false teaching it is not true bible shows freewill existed so don't say oen thing and your aiming at another.


Just becuase you and we A generation live and know the gospel thanks to John Calvi adn others he isn't complete we are talking about freewill and John Calvin isn't the author it is G-d who is the author be as it may everyoone opinion we are all here discussing and none of hold domain over freewill were part of it. Be your decisions wise Jesustruth bu don't go like A little kid saying calvin is false teacher you didn't even live in those times and live in the atmosphere no one here has the right to call him that !


Don't attack John Calvin attack the devil attack government they are the enemies of G-d John, he is man in dangerous times gave edge in what we understand freewill and freedom he did mistakes but for it wasn't for him and other we will not have the freedom of expression and freedom to defy authroity. No everyone precipatates and blames and say he is wrong and i'm saint and perfect none of you are that !

 

[Bill]

John Calvin is no false teacherabout freewill, what you have gone to saying this is just shows you don't know it all. And John Calvin was A man who wrote and expressed himself in the bible and did good in a time when the word wasnt know yet. Pioneered to show even in mistake he makes as human G-d has a plan in predestiantion and freewill and he did he's part he wasn't perfect but your not Jessutruth either. Recognize G-d decides not you. Your not G-d just another believer let G-d judge what john calvin did because he knows better than you. If your saying aliens exist and that's not true bill your wrong it's not were talking here okay were just talking and this is A discussion only. And if your aiing bill that freewill is false teaching it is not true bible shows freewill existed so don't say oen thing and your aiming at another.


Just becuase you and we A generation live and know the gospel thanks to John Calvi adn others he isn't complete we are talking about freewill and John Calvin isn't the author it is G-d who is the author be as it may everyoone opinion we are all here discussing and none of hold domain over freewill were part of it. Be your decisions wise Jesustruth bu don't go like A little kid saying calvin is false teacher you didn't even live in those times and live in the atmosphere no one here has the right to call him that !


Don't attack John Calvin attack the devil attack government they are the enemies of G-d John, he is man in dangerous times gave edge in what we understand freewill and freedom he did mistakes but for it wasn't for him and other we will not have the freedom of expression and freedom to defy authroity. No everyone precipatates and blames and say he is wrong and i'm saint and perfect none of you are that !

What is G-d John? If you think of John calvin as anything other than a man, then you are sorely mistaken. I am certain he would never want to be associated with the likes of Lucifer and Hitler, both of whom felt they were equal with God.

 

[emanuel88]

cartoon about freewill

another cartoon

 

[B-A-C]

Evil and wickedness happens. No one can deny that.
So then, if no one has the "freewill" to do or not to do these things.
Then that means God makes people do evil. After all, we don't have the freewill to do otherwise.

However, I don't see this in the Bible.

 

[emanuel88]

God doesn't make us do evil we have a choice and he let uschhose to be saved or to be not saved. No one forces you to do evil for he gave freewill in heaven and the devil had choice to do wrong or right. Great paradox but put in God's hands and he will save us.

 

[Curtis]

Rom 7:14 So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin.
Rom 7:15 I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate.
Rom 7:16 But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good.
Rom 7:17 So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
Rom 7:18 And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. I want to do what is right, but I can’t.
Rom 7:19 I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway.
Rom 7:20 But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

Everyone inherited from Adam and Eve the knowledge of good and evil. How can a person do what is good if they a slave to sin? All men have the free will choice to want to do what is right but how to perform what is right is out of reach of man unless man is given the power to become a child of God.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Faith is the power that gives man the ability to do what is good in becoming a son of God by way of the Gospel.

 

[emanuel88]

we need to see the whole picture and see how God will want it. Not thru our own experience but what he originally planned in the Eden is how he wanted freewill to work for us. Put things in God's hands and add more verses to your argument please.

 

[Twistie]

we need to see the whole picture and see how God will want it. Not thru our own experience but what he originally planned in the Eden is how he wanted freewill to work for us. Put things in God's hands and add more verses to your argument please.

 

[Twistie]

No argument apparently even the angels have free will or else they would not of went against YH it seems He loves free will for He tells us He created us n known us before we was in the womb

I said this a few times He new what each n everyone of His creations would do how they would be n yet He let us come to b n let us do what we did n what we do He knew if we come to Him n knew if one would just grow to hate n despise Him n yet He still allowed us to come into existence

Like the other day I had the free will to slam that lady who took my basket n dump my food out or just b humble n walk away n with the Help n the power of YH Almighty I walked away n that's surprised the heck out of me that's for sure

So with that said ya I have free will cause even if I did slap the heck out of the woman He would of forgave me

Twistie

 

[emanuel88]

Twistie see a heart borken and have to ask ya twistie who has broken your heart ? You need to heal your heart our lord heals broken hearts ;-;. tell us your story twistie ?

 

[Twistie]

Twistie see a heart borken and have to ask ya twistie who has broken your heart ? You need to heal your heart our lord heals broken hearts ;-;. tell us your story twistie ?







The Lord is preparing me to speak I'm just very much an invert n don't trust no one no more
Twistie

 

[emanuel88]

So true the world betrays ya but god he never betrays twistie lets hope you heal that heart and find true love and maybe he might be in heaven.

 

[emanuel88]

the verses their are more that explain your argument I have read them but read deep in scripture, only helping you guysunderstand truly freewill a huge area that we need to see the whole picture and see how God will want it. Not thru our own experience but what he originally planned in the Eden is how he wanted freewill to work for us. Put things in God's hands and add more verses to your argument please.

 

[emanuel88]

friend said this.

Premise 1: There are 3 billion people who never heard of Christ -see https://www.christiantoday.com/arti...lion.who.have.never.heard.of.jesus/136398.htm
Premise 2: One must know of Christ to be saved (John 3:18)
Conclusion: Free will is impossible to at least 25%
Premise 1: Approximately 25% of individuals do not reach the age of accountability due to abortions, sickness, miscarriages, war, etc.
Conclusion: Free will is impossible for all these people
Premise 1: Children have a great tendency to be of the same religion as their parent(s) ... see https://www.pewresearch.org/religio...us-upbringing-and-current-religious-identity/
Conclusion: The decision of people is very often not entirely their own which contradicts the concept of free will

Premise 1: Free Will is not found in the bible
Conclusion: Free Will is not biblical. ... like "dah".

 

[emanuel88]

you only see one point of the whole area doesn't mean your are right but on the contrary you just hold that one word such freewill a word in the modern world has created does not mean it doesn't exist. Freewill exist and god created it and wants us to see it how he holds it to see he has freewill given and Jesus is our example of freewill perfect he had it how it wants and in the eyes of the lord he came here to show to us he's way of how freewill. Don't be like the scientist saying he doesn't have opportunities when he is lazy and wants his way instead of God's way.
You do not understand what is freewill from God's point of view or from Jesus point of view.

 

[emanuel88]

Remember there many definitions of freewill. Determinism, freewill modern liberalism, freewill biblical, freewill your own experience, and freewill thru God his way when he created creationa nd from Jesus point of view how he wanted.
We are all learning freewill and we are seeing the deep of this huge field of freewill theology which is great in rich text and defines our relation with him in if we really trust, we trust him a percentage, we trust him like a child to a parent or we do not realize what we are ? Really we don't know the trueselves. Remember God says he has meant before you were born and he has plan of God for ya. He sent you here for a purpose one you and him agreed when he sent you here to do something he wanted to find your purpose on how you use your will and put in his hand find the secret thing of God sent you here.
He will reveal it to you in prayer and test and find the relation of Jesus how he used freewill and find when you try to do it like him even do impossible you will find why he sent you here in this planet.
We all have different purposes here in this planet but what he wants in his secret plan for you only and to do his plan you will discover the secret of life and love and his will.
Our will must be in his to know what he wanted us to do ;D.

 

[emanuel88]

Be the person you were before he sent you here, when you were in heaven for some it's being a child again for others being the mature and repsonsible person to achive like Jesus it will be revealed those secrets of us inside. The world teaches us to be liek the world and buy and sell, eat and drink and just sleep forget the world and you important. When you find God and you dig inside of you and ask God tell me why you sent me here to save my friends to go to war and save someone you have in your perfect plan or for me just for one day help someone you want in the future he becomes christian and enjoy the rest of my life with my family and he agve it easy for you ;D. it could be the smallest things or biggest to be president. He told you to be here in this world.
This is why we must go and ask him and pass God's test and when he sees he will show you his secret things in the bible and show you met him in heaven and he had plan and i'm not saying you are angel he sent you for in the bible Jesus says we will be like angels but in greek and other translation when he says that he just comparing us we cannot prove we are angels in this context but regardless he has a plan and he wanted us to be here for a special reason.

 

[emanuel88]

Ask God what is he sent you and you will find the secret of freewill and see things in Jesus view in how perfect will in God you have freewill if your the person that comes close to be like Jesus , he will reveal to you why he sent you and give you the powers to get to heaven, to being preisdent to find true love, to be like Jesus and love all like he does and show that secret he gives us all about him and do the thing he wanted you to find. And go thru all probablities to get there and find the things he wanted you showing that Huldah mistake and Moses mistake of hitting the rock and in error of man destiny can be changed but thru love and prayer to him and finding true love finding his secret of why he sent you, and finding the real things of the bible perhaps is why he sent you, so you can find the real things of the bible and help the world.

See that the error of Moses and huldah shows by example that destiny can go other way and for a purpose he has in secret and thru he's test he can reveal secrets their and showed us Moses error was left to show we can do the opposite and change the destiny by love and faith we could change error in love and it can go into actions in the future that will change histroy and we can move destiny not in error like moses but love can change it ? Yes it is possible even though you cannot understand that something I do understand of how the universe and possibilities can change and we can change things for good and not make the mistake like moses did and huldah and get more people saved and have more people been baptized yes. Their are exception and God has given us exceptions that destiny can be changed and that determinism by his will can exist without him be having control all over the universe.

 

[emanuel88]

And love is how God shows he can change the universe and chaneg timelines and move things in a better way ? Yes. God could end our civilization end this and do another things and change us all. God can erase form our minds and erase in that instant to israelites in the desert to forget moses amde that error or send an angel in that instant stop him from making that error nothing is impossible to the lord. God can but he wants us to learn he wants us to love he wants us to be in his story in our universe.


Truly he can change it all make it perfect he is God. God of gods, but by doing those things he lets us see the blindspot to our advantage that we can change our destiny to be president to be the secret things he sent you here to know what purpose, to do more than we our just simple human beings but with him we can change the future and be what we want. Some of you do not understand that because you do not know becuase you don't know why your here but I know why i'm here and know those secret stuff becuase he told us all why he sent us here from heaven and it's in the bible and your personal life to know what those things are.
Some of us will the real things of the bible and when we know we realize he a bigger plan than we know he wanted us to do the secret stuff of the bible. ;D.