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Do we have freewill ? did we have freewill since the beginning ?

People our will has been always united to him before our birth when we are born we thik we have indpeendence from him or we started in this existence born a citizen in A counrty and we are not coneccted to him ?

We are and have always been here the error we think we are seperated from him by independance or by vote or by going to the ballot. Know we are in A greater thing and that is love. Know in how in A realm or in kingdom of love know we were never meant to be born inpendant from him. We were meant in to be with him always perhaps our idealogy of freedom and politics cannot be used in this relationship. Here two promblems that come and clash that our existence is us knowing we exist and conscience gives us the ability to know who we are and what is life and it's purpose but the other clash is we are born/created from God and did not want us to kow good and evil but wanted to live in the garden and knowing becomes sin and we are spearate from him and know freedom is sin ?

No, we have freedom in the garden and God let Adam obey and disobey bu letting A tree there and let him had choice to not of eat of it or did eat of it. He had perfect will Adam to obey God and keep choosing freely and walking freely without asking God where to in the garden yes he did can we ahve the realtionship Adam had with God like Jesus had with God ? Yes.
The first is that we are born into existence know we are being we are born picture this if Human created and A.I. and it could live and feel like us but still would it ask space and says he diecide evrything by itself qwhat you would you ? let it decide already and it's virgin mind be crisp clean and letting ti go it's own way like the wiond and ggoes perfectly align in the universe by itself ? Some would argu it should be free because it would fit life perfectly going it's natural way and not our humans and animal way to destroy and contorl everhything like our civilization has done since greeks and since romans to do. Rememeber we were never meant to be like this with A civilization and army, No.

He sill wanted us to obey hima nd be in the Garden to be in paradise forever bu came the enemy ( the devil) and our paraidzse ruin.
No, God-relation with man isn't like an A.I. been created or A mamal been born to be like deer or leopard and go thweir natural way and live life in the circle of life. Our realtion was never for the animals and us to be in paradise and no animal kill each other. We were created to live and be seravnts of the most high our purpose was another. He made us to choose and gave us freewil since the beggingin to live but those who know what destiny is and what future,past, and present know you live you born and die say you don't have freewil your life is planned already liek animals and you live in the box. You can't get out, Her scientist and rational humainze come to conlfict with both clashes and realize that choosing is not real !

No, people you can choose and your decison change everything but you do not have the inteliggence to be hummble and to wise know, our paths are can change and predetermination and God's soveriegn and ot his soveriegn do exist and have their been in destiny what he wrote changed ? yes God writes everything we do and writes what your going to do. But god allows probabilities billions to one that things can change and destiny can change people. We have Elijah, Huldah, and Moses who change the future of Israel and show probabilities do exist and do happen.
Know there is born to existence and consciuonsess in this world that we are born and theologist , writtters , and greek thinkers, german thinkers like Nietzche, socrates, aristotles, and Einstein say to leave that of A born baby consciouness is original and shows only good and A way that existence is based on human efforts not true our exsitence is not base on our efforts. And originality is given by our consciousness and perception but know they are wrong. This is why an error remember in this discussion man cannot know evil if not for good and evil tree it is important that we realize if an A.I. created will not undertand what God established things. So know ther eis A difference.


1.human created A.I. and it has freedom and born crisp clean
2. God-man realationship we have freedom in the garden and God let Adam obey and disobey bu letting A tree there and let him had choice to not of eat of it or did eat of it. He had perfect will Adam to obey God and keep choosing freely and walking freely without asking God where to in the garden yes he did. Know this the importance of freedom we must have the realtion Jesus ahd with God and align our will with his and originaly liek he wanted and know you have freedom to do only good and it is how perfect freedom is with him and know it is better than any doubt modern thinkers like einstien, max plank aristoltes and socrates would argue about destinypredetermiantion, future , past and present.
Be in God' path by putting yor will to his and avoid this conflicts.
 
I only have this question when it comes to people who believe that everything's predestination why is there a last judgment, for what point seriously what's the point of having a judgment if everything's predestination?
 
Know the future can always be changed, love can change it all. It shows G-d is just at the end and everything will be revealed and just. All crimes and goodworks reveal everything and will be shown to accuser . This is A court and the devil is the accuser and we are defended by Jesus christ. KNow this is the scenario he wants and why all evidence in the court will be shown and good works and bad your past,present and future will be shown. And this war we are A part is because is predestanation based and purpose for the court system he has, yes. Know he will show evidence and know this is why we must follow the bible and love is thee way. In the end God will say to the devil this were faithful and show you in the book of life. And destiny and what words and actions you said will show you repeated the bible words and actions it does.


We all end up in the one road of death but the real worshipeprs of God defeated like Jesus and rise like him by his voice and show we were faithful witness in his war against he devil.
 
I only have this question when it comes to people who believe that everything's predestination why is there a last judgment, for what point seriously what's the point of having a judgment if everything's predestination?
Hey Bill, The answer to that question will be known too. if you can wait. :sob: All those questions will get answered.:sob: Before you hit that casket.
 
The base of freewill is what G-d wanted man with freewill before the fall man had man freewill ? and it was perfect ? Yes, Becuase it was align with him before all this of politics, sin, and works and faith of slavation were not part of this he wanted us to be with him in the garden and do one thing . Trust in him put our faith can we keep having our faith and keep the relation with Adam like G-d intended even though we are fallen and cannot be pure like he was, Inoccent ? Jesus is that second Adam he had A relationship and did what Adam was supposed to be A son, A servant and love like G-d loves the world. We are not perfect but we do 10% of the work, 50% of the work and 90 of the work % of faith and he does the rest in mysterious ways. Remember we are imperfect of the fall.

Know that the base of freewill the secret is what he wants before the fall and can we understand the concept of freewill ? He gave man choice to eat the tree of good and evil ? Yes, he did. So know there is freewill concept in what is slavery in the law of mosaic law and how you are liberated, and what is concept of how democracy of goverment of law say and gives freewill to choose A president or leader, the freewill of philosophy greeks talk, the freewill of from sin that Jesus liberates you and what Romans 8:8-9 NLT this verses says from satan. Know that to understand the freewill God gave Adam in the Eden is still the base of all this and we must do what Jesus did. Freewill means different in each culture because the words don't mean the same know the definition in hebrew is another in form of freedom of choice but inside the law and what greeks say about freewill is not the same and it is what influence
 
Our modern system in law and what we call liberalism but it is not what God is talking about and what the law says in the mosaic way and how jesus freed us from sin. Thru the mosaic law using the new testament by fullfiling it. Know that is the crucial and essential infromation we talk about and use verses to reveal the 2 commandments help us in the that road. And all this thread reveals to us that infromation. Know there is freewill in the flesh and in the spirit but loves is hte base of it. And destiny, predestination, probabilites of A billion to one, actions and owrks by faith decide our future, and God soveriegn over it and not God soveriegn in the future exist. It all exist and God's plan is what is goes in the end.


Know this why we must understand hebrew lexicon emaning and greek one's too because God's commandmnets are used to be exact and what he ordered in he way and issued was meant for kings, prophets, and his people and we must study thoroughly more and find they meaning to it and discover he meant freewil in one way and freewill for his people thrue Jesus and thru the law another way.
 
freewill existed before adam and eve and the devil had it he chosed to rebelled. You saw it exist does the plan of G-d involves love and choosing to be free. Choose to put you will in G-d's will becuase it cause you conflict like everyone that it's impossible don't be in the box that is fate and destiny and what you decide is cannot be without god already planning it ?
The plan of God of giving thanks always is different of how he put the laws of physics and laws of probabilities in the world don't go to conlfict everything is possible. Know that mistake was made with moses and huldah and eliajh shows that fate can be changed. But still to pray and pray and doing the impossible to change your fate your destiny of being shoemaker or being into a lawyer is possible if you want. G-d has moved the universe and the fate of our humanity in wars with assyrians when he sent an angel, he makes miracles everyday and moves time and universe. ungratefulness is what all say because they have cobnflict say it's impossible God already plan for you everything but he's plan of god about been thankful even when bad things and been faithful and obeying him in good and bad times isn't about the future beenalready planned and impossible to avoid his soveriegn and he chosed the path already !


1. what he planned premptively in how the universe wrks and moves the sun and you have night and day and you age and you were bron in A planet God wrote that. physics work and you do everyday on works and buy groceries and food he establish laws.


2.probablitlies that everything changes and destiny moves constantly even when you don't know and G-d gives you every day to change you lifespan choose a better path by eating vegetables and changing your course of life not making the bad decison going to war and decided to go have job in kentucky and you change routes. everyday people the universe makes cracks in its fabric of how the destiny and chances are made by faith by believing by praying know God hears ya and God moves it all. Everything is possible God has used jews and did incredible things like making kings out of ordinary people makins miracles and making man into prophets and moving the universe for them. God does more thinsg we don't know he does for us becuase he loves us.


3.Don't be like the scientists who say everything is already planned he is a dictator god because he already decided everything for us and didn't let us choose. know if you decided things out of nowhere and you popped out of the planet and God ceases to exist you became God you wouldn't know what was the last things God did, then you will decide everything and you will make so many errors because you can't do what God does, and realese finally he was right and he put things all for A reason. Those scientist agnostic thinks if they were God decided everything realized how hard God life is deciding everything and he gave you all but you made the bad decisions in life. You had all the freedom you woulnd't know what to do with it and just make mistakes and if you were free to do everything and be A god you wouldn't find true love you woulnd't do things you just be the same individual looking for things and think having all the freedom and you decided everything you woulnd't find that special thing God has for youa t the end in heaven. You will be lost and still be unperfect those scientist just blame and if they had everything they will just mess up and realize didn't go their way either and mess up.
 
I only have this question when it comes to people who believe that everything's predestination why is there a last judgment, for what point seriously what's the point of having a judgment if everything's predestination?
Bill, folks have Predestination misnamed because of their lack of Biblical Understanding. YHWH is not contained inside this Time/Space Continuum. YHWH created all of this and they fail to even consider that in their equation.
 
freewill existed before adam and eve and the devil had it he chosed to rebelled. You saw it exist does the plan of G-d involves love and choosing to be free. Choose to put you will in G-d's will becuase it cause you conflict like everyone that it's impossible don't be in the box that is fate and destiny and what you decide is cannot be without god already planning it ?
The plan of God of giving thanks always is different of how he put the laws of physics and laws of probabilities in the world don't go to conlfict everything is possible. Know that mistake was made with moses and huldah and eliajh shows that fate can be changed. But still to pray and pray and doing the impossible to change your fate your destiny of being shoemaker or being into a lawyer is possible if you want. G-d has moved the universe and the fate of our humanity in wars with assyrians when he sent an angel, he makes miracles everyday and moves time and universe. ungratefulness is what all say because they have cobnflict say it's impossible God already plan for you everything but he's plan of god about been thankful even when bad things and been faithful and obeying him in good and bad times isn't about the future beenalready planned and impossible to avoid his soveriegn and he chosed the path already !


1. what he planned premptively in how the universe wrks and moves the sun and you have night and day and you age and you were bron in A planet God wrote that. physics work and you do everyday on works and buy groceries and food he establish laws.


2.probablitlies that everything changes and destiny moves constantly even when you don't know and G-d gives you every day to change you lifespan choose a better path by eating vegetables and changing your course of life not making the bad decison going to war and decided to go have job in kentucky and you change routes. everyday people the universe makes cracks in its fabric of how the destiny and chances are made by faith by believing by praying know God hears ya and God moves it all. Everything is possible God has used jews and did incredible things like making kings out of ordinary people makins miracles and making man into prophets and moving the universe for them. God does more thinsg we don't know he does for us becuase he loves us.


3.Don't be like the scientists who say everything is already planned he is a dictator god because he already decided everything for us and didn't let us choose. know if you decided things out of nowhere and you popped out of the planet and God ceases to exist you became God you wouldn't know what was the last things God did, then you will decide everything and you will make so many errors because you can't do what God does, and realese finally he was right and he put things all for A reason. Those scientist agnostic thinks if they were God decided everything realized how hard God life is deciding everything and he gave you all but you made the bad decisions in life. You had all the freedom you woulnd't know what to do with it and just make mistakes and if you were free to do everything and be A god you wouldn't find true love you woulnd't do things you just be the same individual looking for things and think having all the freedom and you decided everything you woulnd't find that special thing God has for youa t the end in heaven. You will be lost and still be unperfect those scientist just blame and if they had everything they will just mess up and realize didn't go their way either and mess up.
Why do you think his name is "The ADVERSARY" it is not Satan nor is his created name is the devil. God Created an "ADVERSARY":eyes: He created a "ADVERSARY". What does a "ADVERSARY" do? Now i know You do not think he is at war with "The ALMIGHTY GOD" or His Creator, The LORD Jesus CHRIST" who is His LORD TOO! And If you know your Bible like you should, You know He Obey's His Creator. He does what he was created To DO!, Serve His Master:eyes:

I hope you do not mind me putting it in ghetto language.

The Bible translation say:
8Again, the devil *took Him along to a very high mountain and *showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; 9and he said to Him, “All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me.” 10Then Jesus *said to him, “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND ]SERVE HIM ONLY.’” 11Then the devil *left Him; and behold, angels came and began to serve Him.

Ghetto insight Paraphrase"
"Stop messing with me Satan and go away, you bothering me, you know I AM your Creator and your LORD, and you obey me and serve me, Now begone. "BYE"! And The devil obeyed. Why do you think He was Created, for the purposes of GOD. And the devil also Does the Will of GOD. He obey's and what does mankind do?

PloughBoy. And "The EAGLE Stirs The NEST" and "The EAGLETS Flap Their Wings":pensive: and After they flap their Wings From such heights, They FLY and SOAR upon the Wings of The WIND.. Without Faith, it is impossible to please GOD.

Hallelujah, Just Flap your WINGS and I guaranteed you will Fly and Soar Like An EAGLE from On HIGH.:relieved:

PloughBoy. And I am, Carrying the Mail... That you may "SOAR Like AN EAGLE" And empowered from On High. :pensive:
 
the devil is the adversary did it have freewill and did it reblled and had self consciouness ? Yes. we must not do what he did showed that love creates self awareness and life finds A way in evil aswell strange in the universe A being such as the devil loved like God and he did wrong ! -_- but is what we all fail at trying to understand those things before our time but we have no business at that we must continue in salvation . Thank God Jesus died for us and what was between the devil and him is not our business.
 
the devil is the adversary did it have freewill and did it reblled and had self consciouness ? Yes. we must not do what he did showed that love creates self awareness and life finds A way in evil aswell strange in the universe A being such as the devil loved like God and he did wrong ! -_- but is what we all fail at trying to understand those things before our time but we have no business at that we must continue in salvation . Thank God Jesus died for us and what was between the devil and him is not our business.
Remember The Bird was made to fly, the fish was made for the water, and The "ADVERSARY was Made to be An "Adversary" the Fire was created to burn, The wind was created to blow. The Adversary can do, no other but be an Adversary. That was his purpose. And He is "PERFECT" at it. For He HAVE DECEIVED THE WHOLE WORLD, even NOW, we all are deceived by His Craftiness and Beauty, those saved and the unsaved. Only to a special group of the "ELECT of GOD", He shines out, like a "Beacon" in a DARK PLACE. For God Our Father Would have it, to be so. For He is "SOVEREIGN". And GOD"S WILL is ALWAYS be DONE, And ALWAYS "Manifested" and His will never never fails. He is not a man, and we call Him "GOD"! But I will declare He Is More. Our brain cannot go there. Our Brain is "FINITE" we cannot even imagine what It is all about. But to be "BORN into THE IMAGE" of "The TRIUNE GOD" The SON, THE FATHER, THE PARAKLETOS" and When we see Him, WE SHALL BE JUST LIKE HIM, and WE THE Sons OF GOD" will "INHERIT" A SHARED Inheritance With A JOINT RULE, A IRON SCEPTER with "The SON of THE LIVING GOD". And Every KNEE will BOW! and we will not be asking! Instant JUSTICE, faster than You can "Whistle Dixie".

I think you, you got your information from the wrong source. Have you read The whole Bible as One Book, without any kind of interference or have you been listening to people about the devil and what Creation is all about. I think you got some things wrong, The purpose of Creation and for what purpose GOD the FATHER Had His Son Create all Creation. And All the rest is Nothing but waste.

Romans 8 (NASB)
[For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19For the eagerly awaiting creation waits for the revealing of the sons and daughters of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself also will be Set Free From Its Slavery To corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.]


Most Christians have no idea of what happen in The fall and don't care and most pastors and church bible teachers do not know either. But pass on lie after lies and lies have "Tentacles" not knowingly. And those lies have been growing for many and many years and have taken strong Roots.

And they only thing we can do, who knows The TRUTH, is Keep speaking Truth , even Though No one will understand nor listen, and The Truth will only fall deeper into The darkness until The Light cannot shine. Then From The SKY He will appear with "The ARMIES from HEAVEN" Riding WHITE HORSES" EYES like Flaming FIRE, Vesture Dripping In BLOOD, Hair white as WOOL, Feet Like Polish Brass. And A Sword in His Mouth. which Is "The WORD OF GOD". "For Vengeance is Mines I will repay"



Example:
John 13:18
I am not speaking about all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But this is to fulfill the Scripture: 'The one who shares My bread has lifted up his heel against Me.'

NASB 1977
Jesus answered them, “Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?”
John 6:64
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from THE BEGINNING {before Genesis] :eyes:who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

As soon as most christians grow into maturity, and realize GOD is Not A human, And we cannot Define Him. It is Impossible to do so. He is not a part maker, That when He creates something, The part might fail. No, everything is according to His plan, For mankind and This universe is Not why God made all creation, For All Creation will be shaken and Only what is Eternal shall remain. People are nothing but a creation, made from created dirt. And really not important, but A tool, In the eyes of GOD, His SON is, whom He Loves and Whoever loves HIS SON He will Love them and to be sure, The FATHER planted That LOVE in Them, before The Foundations of All creation. God The FATHER does not share tears, concerning Mankind! We all will see, He will reveal Whom he is and Who He cares for. People think, as if Our Father is human and have A Heart as if He was human being.

That is one reason JESUS warn us About HIM. And Many christians still do not believe the words That Jesus has spoken to us. For Peter's we are.

And they think the way they see love is the way God is Love, no way, For HIs thoughts are no way like our thoughts, HIS LOVE IS NO WAY LIKEN UNTO OUR LOVE. And The Day will Come when many of the human race is going to think He is Devil. And his appearance, that is "CHRIST" is Going to Terrify the whole world they are going to Think he Is The DEVIL. For the Devil is a "Beauty Creature" one of the most "Beautiful Of All the Creatures that God has made. His voice is so clam and sweet, Cunning as he is. Sweet words, comforting words he has all the languages in his bag of toys, for in that he is most skilled.

But when Our GOD Speaks men tremble mountains are laid low,:pensive: For All bow to Holiness, When Jesus comes To Reign, Eyes like Flaming Fire, Hair white as wool, Vesture dripping in Blood and every knee will bow, Because he will rule with a "IRON ROD" they will Bow, those who refuse to Bow He Will break their Knees with that Rod.! They Will BOW. Satan have never make men bow to him. He gives gifts and bribes, Gold and jewels, cars and money and women and men, and Trinkets, He appears as a "ANGEL of LIGHT" shinning bright.. He has the things the whole world desirers, trips vacations, christine beaches. But all of those things, GOD the FATHER is Bring to an END. For earth is spewing the people out. By Command Given By "The GOD ALMIGHTY".


PSALM 2 NASB
"He said to Me, ‘You are My Son,
Today I have fathered You.
8‘Ask it of Me, and I will certainly give the nations as Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth as Your possession.
9
"You shall break them with a rod of iron, "
You shall shatter them like earthenware."


The ADVERSARY, Works for GOD. For He is Not Independent, The Adversary is nothing but a Created Creature spoken into existence By "JESUS" The WORD of GOD" who was With GOD in The beginning and Always have been and He never was Not in Existence. With the FATHER.

If he spoke him into existence he can speak him out with a word. The SON can. The ADVERSARY is A creation Created By The Son speaking him into existence.

How simple and plain is that. my 3 year old knew that. I taught my children like "GOD" gave me the COMMAND, He did not tell me to let another man or church teach my Children. I obeyed. it does not mean they will stay in the path, but I taught them. I gave them not unto another creature or a religious institution , I would not turn my children over to a church or another man or women, And i taught them do not trust another preacher, religious man or women, Read your Bible and pray to GOD to teach you, If GOD by himself cannot teach you, No body else can, Do not Trust, place not your soul into another human hands.


JOHN 1 NASB

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2[a]He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

Jesus created The devil, just by speaking. because his Father told him to, for a purpose. And creation is not about Mankind, All creation is nothing but a mold.
and when the mold is finish The FATHER will cast it all away. All creation is Futile.:pensive: Some people think we are important, we are, but not like A human being thinks. Humans got it all wrong! Now that is going to be a big blow to many. And a few will understand What "GOD'S Grace and Mercy" really is!:eyes:
You better rejoice because your name is written in heaven.:eyes: You have done nothing to get it put there. And that will be another shocking blow to many, When they see. How close they were, Not by choice, But chosen. Before The Foundations of the WORLD. Neither done good or bad. But By GOD before The Future existed. There was no future to look in, No time to look down, for there was Nothing so it is NO way That GOD could look into something that did not exist. So Since He could not look into something that did not exist, So he Ordain it and Gave His Decree" that all may come to be! Just like He wanted it to be! According how He wanted every drop and every spill, all have been design by GOD, He is liken to the Potter that "Sculptures" The Clay, every line, every mark, the curves and the bends. The shape of the hands the bow in the knee, the slant of the head, the gaze in the eyes. The sneeze that comes out of the nose, the cough from the throat. The gait in the walk, even the sway of the movement of the hands .

The devil, works for GOD, and He obey's and all of the demons. Even their rebellion, have been decreed by God. Now if we think That a "FINITE" mind, can understand the ways of GOD as if His ways Are human. that makes us even more sinful. The whole BOOK of GOD declares this TRUTH! from GENESIS to REVELATION" But the Human mind is an enemy of GOD. So when it thinks and reason on Its own, it is in total Rebellion just like the demons of Hell. And it speaks the things of mankind and not the thoughts of GOD.

New International Version
But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”

Isaiah 10:15
Does an axe raise itself above the one who swings it? Does a saw boast over him who saws with it? It would be like a rod waving the one who lifts it, or a staff lifting him who is not wood!

Isaiah 29:16
You have turned things upside down, as if the potter were regarded as clay. Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, "He did not make me"? Can the pottery say of the potter, "He has no understanding"?

Isaiah 45:9
Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker--one clay pot among many. Does the clay ask the potter, 'What are you making?' Does your work say, 'He has no hands'?

Isaiah 64:8
But now, O LORD, You are our Father; we are the clay, and You are the potter; we are all the work of Your hand.

The time will come, when God will reveal Why to all, but some of us already knows why, Because he is A rewarder to those Who diligently seeks HIM. And have run the race legally.

And



American Standard Version
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

For many do know The Son, but all do not know the Father yet.

Not until:

New American Standard Bible
"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son DETERMINES TO reveal Him."

And so sad for now, because many knows The SON,
But The SON has not reveal The FATHER to them yet!

And neither do they understand what that means at this time. Until he returns or The Mature grows Up for STRONG MEAT is ONLY FOR THE STRONG, And Most women Cannot take the smell let alone Eat the meat!


I have spoke to people about that and they did not believe me, and they thought i was imagining things, They had The "holy Spirit" but still Jesus the word of God was not Their LORD. When He did become their LORD, when they submitted, and Then the day, when Jesus Revealed, Introduce Them, to THE FATHER, They ran and told with tears in their eyes, and I rejoice to see The Magnificent on Their Face. And I could see the Light, in Their eyes, more Glorious Than The Joy of The Holy SPIRIT when They First believed.

But many christians are stuck in :tongues and denominations, and verses. and fighting about doctrines, instead of Sitting at the feet of JESUS dining With the FATHER, Who needs Hebrew And Greek. When you are dining with "GOD". "The Triune GOD' all Three and you are sitting at Their table. And you do not have to say One word or ask anything of them!

And many do not know what that mean! Unless you have been there.. no questions, needed everything is known. And no words to explain about sitting at the table and dining with GOD!


Many rather dine with the Religious food of mankind, instead of the Manna that is at GOD"S TABLE.

There is only One will, It supersedes all wills. That will is "The WILL of GOD". His will is done on earth just like it is Done In HEAVEN! GOD RULES Not The Devil or mankind, The devil has gotten his orders from GOD! None have their OWN WILL, They who thinks they have a will they have been deceive By the ADVERSARY that was Created By GOD! And commission to Make War with The Remnants of The LAMB.

World English Bible
?The dragon grew angry with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep God's commandments and hold Jesus' testimony.? >>>>>>>>>>>>{The True Children of GOD, Born of His SPIRIT wash in His blood, Those who are Born from Above"] how could the devil and demons be at war with God and His SON! THAT is "LUDICROUS" THE DEVIL AT WAR WITH GOD OR JESUS.:sob: I ain't that ignorant! I told you that devil ,will place crazy unscrupulous thoughts in the mind of humans.

He is at War with us, "The Remnant of GOD" he does not like us. The world he likes The people of this world, he likes.



And pride has over taken them. How can anything be in "Bondage" and Call themselves free, for They are in "The BONDAGE of DECEPTION" and being deceived thinking they have a "FREEDOM" of their own Will! And trapped in the Dark, so they cannot see that they are in "BONDAGE"! And Trapped and deceived and not knowing it! Even some Christians, Blinded by the Spell of Pride and Think that they are in charge.


Slaves being a slave to their own Bondage of The mind and refuse to be set free. and become a slave to "Christ Jesus" calling Him "LORD" If you are his slave then why do you, not do what he says! you have no will. If you are free you have No "LORD" and No MASTER! And You can only serve One MASTER, it is impossible to serve two, for the Father will not allow you to serve two, either you are a slave to God or A slave to the Bondages of SIN!

Beware it is easy to be deceived for he is" The ADVERSARY" "The Master of Deception" an Angel of Light to us. Pretty, beautiful smooth words , Charming, calming words nice and gentle. to the touch, A "Black Widow Spider", A "Praying Mantis", A "Femme Fatale". And Many have been destroyed by his charm.

When Cupid Firer that dart ARROW and hit that mark, we will see how much "will" you got. on your way To HELL!

In the hood, they say: "I am in Love with a woman I cannot stand":sob:

Freewill my foot, If she is the right woman, or if he is the right man! Your will go out the door!



"Do we have freewill ? did we have freewill since the beginning ?"



Adam settle that question a long time ago!

God said have you eaten from that tree
?

His reply:
It was that WOMAN YOU GAVE ME! She gave to me and I ate!

[You gave her to me and you knew, She was going to pick it and eat it and she was going to give to me and I was going to eat it, right out of her hands, As beautiful as She was, and Once we mated and a fell into her arms and felt her skin on mines, you knew i was going to forget about everything you said to me about a tree! You knew, what she was going to do to me , you made her. You trap me! And i don't know why. And Adam did not say to us another word in over 900 year. There is not one more word recorded about him.]

He knew GOD trap him.:eyes: andI never could figure out why. Why did God Trick me like that.:sob: He thought about that for over 900 years!

Free will my foot! I prayed down through the years, "LORD keep My feet out of Slippery places":sob: My will is in "bondage" one way or the other. If she is the right one, I am praying, for my feet to start running in the other direction! Then Thy Will, will be done and not mines.:eyes:


I have counsel people, run, but they found out the Hard way! " He that thinketh He stands take heed lest He falls"

The devil knows What you like. Every curve every gesture and the look in the eyes, "LORD" help me. i like the way she calls my name, and turns her head and look at me. make you leave job, house, kids, and wife. Spend all the kids College money and Mortgage.
And if That Cupid Fires That arrow and hit you! Put a spell on you. If you have never been hit, you do not know this stuff is real!

Then you understand you run and dunk!:sob:

I am laughing But I telling the truth. she will make you have a "Heart Attack" Your Blood start pumping and running through those veins. Make you Flatline! Everybody will be asking you what happen to you? I know i am right, i pass out onetime in the bathroom my wife said i was out, my eyes rolled back in my head. She told her brothers and friends what had happen to me. And everybody had a idea what had happen to me, and told her next time call the emergency services, they said i had this and that. And i ask her did you tell them what you was doing to me to cause me to black out!:sob: She said no!:sob:

People think they know everything.

So since we where talking about freewill i got real. Where it counts "From GENESIS to Revelation" form "ADAM to "The Great hore"!

You see they do not Preach the whole counsel of God in the church any more" if they do, it is so hard to find, like a straight pin in Hay Stack.

But God is raising a few, that are "BOLD' and that will speak The TRUTH, like Jesus and John The Baptist, "It Is not Right to have your Brother's wife" and "The PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES are Running over with this practice, having your own brother's wife. Just like they did in The "CORINTH" church in the Bible. Copying other "Christians Churches" You do remember "ONEIDA". AND ALL THE HISTORY'S OF THE PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES. I know, What has been done in the dark have come to light.



The Writer said:
"LORD, keep my feet out of Slippery places."

And When The Psalmist got old. he wrote:

" when My foot Slipped, Lord, your Love sustain me":pensive:

We all are helpless and our wills cannot sustain us or keep us, where we are to be kept. It is by "grace alone" that we all stand.

PloughBoy

PS the name devil is word given by The Roman Catholic Church. The true Name And Meaning is "THE ADVERSARY", Either serve GOD or the Roman Catholics.

I am so glad i learn all of my biblical Truths before there was a Public Internet services and that I learn the hard copy way, and i can see the deceptions in the internet lexicons, and the translations so easy, I do not even trust the dictionaries and lexicons, any more concerning the Biblical text that is online I see the curve of the pen, An I see clearly that the DeviL rules the dictionaries and the lexicons, and word definitions. All of the kingdoms of this world is his. And That God The FATHER sets His "Perimeters" and giving him more grounds to exercise that Authority of DECEPTIONS INTO ALL THINGS, AND some CHRISTIANS are more deceived than ever. and growing more and more as the days draws near. And the only thing we can do is speak and it does not mean a thing, put that the True Elect will hear just enough to get saved. and God will do the rest. for This Prophecy has come to pass and active, This Proclamation will dwindle down to the "biblically expression" "Two" Proclaimers.


Isaiah 42 NASB 77
"Who is blind but My servant,
Or so deaf as My messenger whom I send?
Who is so blind as he that is at peace with Me,
Or so blind as the servant of the LORD?"


"You have seen many things, but you do not observe them;
Your ears are open, but none hears."


Once again PloughBoy
 
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Bill, folks have Predestination misnamed because of their lack of Biblical Understanding. YHWH is not contained inside this Time/Space Continuum. YHWH created all of this and they fail to even consider that in their equation.
The thing about God is that God is not the past or the future God is always in the present.

We have a past and a future because God created us to understand it that way but for God our past and our future is still his present
 
The devil is the adversay whatever happen was before time he's mistake is evil and wish to take down the father was A just punishment, good was G-d but he's evil was his demise to take from the father. No, way we are the same as the devil. But still proves freedom existed and angels are not robots some say they cannot have sexaul relationships but still like indendence and slef conscious exist proves he gave them choice and freedom to choose to have A destiny did angesl have more options who knows ? But still the decison to be free and have decison in their life also the angels have that it just shows the system of God's destiny and ours are united but also apart.

Without doubt pluoghboy you are angry of what freewill brinsg to the table of destiny of yours and everyone. You have to find what puprose G-d sent you here and he did for A purpose. The devil rebbelion showed God had mercy he gave them choice, freedom to choose, and destiny of punishment, They had A present,past, and future and destiny is that. No,ploughboy you odn't know where that ends you do not know to save others put things in God's hands because like everyone you come to conflict about your destiny and we have one purpose to sing like in heaven and make earth like heaven that is he's will and his desire. Perhaps you do not uderstand that.
 
Hey Bill, The answer to that question will be known too. if you can wait. :sob: All those questions will get answered.:sob: Before you hit that casket.
I don't have to leave planet Earth do you already know the answer to that question. God knows, and it is the mystery of God that we do not understand. But for us we choose.

God created Paradise for us but man chose to sin. And he was cast out of paradise.

God created the Earth and all the inhabitants and at the time of Noah he became angry with all the inhabitants of the Earth because of the sin that they chose to do. And God chose to destroy what he created. Noah against all the pressure of the world built the ark and in his faith gave God the opportunity to save the creatures and his family.

God was angry at Sodom and Gomorrah and yet Abraham spoke to God and asked will you destroy the good with the bad. Because of Abraham God changed his mind and brought the number down to a few.

So it is with us. God is going to bring such judgment down on the Earth that the Earth itself will tremble. But we can change that if we just prayed. When was the last time at your churches were the pastor asked you to pray for the sins in the world that God would forgive the world of its sin. When is the last time that the preacher talked about praying for others that are not of your church that they would come to find God.

It is because the churches are so arrogant, not even taking the time to pray for the sinners in the world. That God has allowed this false teaching to be spread, because you're not listening to him. The false teaching of the rapture. Many are making the Rapture their new God

And what's going to happen when you finally realize that the free tribulation mid tribulation Raptors are not going to happen at all because we are all going to go through it
 
The devil is the adversay whatever happen was before time he's mistake is evil and wish to take down the father was A just punishment, good was G-d but he's evil was his demise to take from the father. No, way we are the same as the devil. But still proves freedom existed and angels are not robots some say they cannot have sexaul relationships but still like indendence and slef conscious exist proves he gave them choice and freedom to choose to have A destiny did angesl have more options who knows ? But still the decison to be free and have decison in their life also the angels have that it just shows the system of God's destiny and ours are united but also apart.

Without doubt pluoghboy you are angry of what freewill brinsg to the table of destiny of yours and everyone. You have to find what puprose G-d sent you here and he did for A purpose. The devil rebbelion showed God had mercy he gave them choice, freedom to choose, and destiny of punishment, They had A present,past, and future and destiny is that. No,ploughboy you odn't know where that ends you do not know to save others put things in God's hands because like everyone you come to conflict about your destiny and we have one purpose to sing like in heaven and make earth like heaven that is he's will and his desire. Perhaps you do not uderstand that.
We are not the same as the devil. Lucifer deemed equality with God. And how does the pot deem equality with the one that makes it.
 
The thing about God is that God is not the past or the future God is always in the present.

We have a past and a future because God created us to understand it that way but for God our past and our future is still his present

God is beyond past,future,and present he above time and he creates time and does whatever he please for he is G-d, NAsa has found that in other planets in the galaxy have different times and have timezones. God created aliens and they eprcieve time different and God gave them different ways of percieving time. G-d creates time and changes it like with Joshua who God gave title of leader after Moses passed away G-d holded time so time can change and if that can change than anything can change like God wants.
 
The devil is the adversay whatever happen was before time he's mistake is evil and wish to take down the father was A just punishment, good was G-d but he's evil was his demise to take from the father. No, way we are the same as the devil. But still proves freedom existed and angels are not robots some say they cannot have sexaul relationships but still like indendence and slef conscious exist proves he gave them choice and freedom to choose to have A destiny did angesl have more options who knows ? But still the decison to be free and have decison in their life also the angels have that it just shows the system of God's destiny and ours are united but also apart.

Without doubt pluoghboy you are angry of what freewill brinsg to the table of destiny of yours and everyone. You have to find what puprose G-d sent you here and he did for A purpose. The devil rebbelion showed God had mercy he gave them choice, freedom to choose, and destiny of punishment, They had A present,past, and future and destiny is that. No,ploughboy you odn't know where that ends you do not know to save others put things in God's hands because like everyone you come to conflict about your destiny and we have one purpose to sing like in heaven and make earth like heaven that is he's will and his desire. Perhaps you do not uderstand that.
There is no such thing as predestination. The scripture proves that people can lose their salvation but the Christians refused to look at it that way.. Judas is a good example of this because in Scripture it states that his name was written in the Book of Life and later he throws it away he throws away his salvation for 30 pieces of silver and then hangs himself
 
God is beyond past,future,and present he above time and he creates time and does whatever he please for he is G-d, NAsa has found that in other planets in the galaxy have different times and have timezones. God created aliens and they eprcieve time different and God gave them different ways of percieving time. G-d creates time and changes it like with Joshua who God gave title of leader after Moses passed away G-d holded time so time can change and if that can change than anything can change like God wants.
If you're talking about outer space aliens there are none. Only Illusions and demons. Those who believe in all that stuff they're following the teachings of demons
 
If you're talking about outer space aliens there are none. Only Illusions and demons. Those who believe in all that stuff they're following the teachings of demons


I assure you there are aliens in the galaxy exist it isn't the galaxy and just us alone ! Bill, God created angels and other beings besides us so says the bible that other creatuers existed. That is what science teaches that vast organism exist all over the milkway and the lord talks angels. Really Bill you know other beings exist besides us that way you say aliens don't exist just shows you don't know anything and vile manner shows immaturity. Of aliens existing we know aliens exist and if you wish me to show aliens exist they do. Science proves it and to say it's demon teaching that science proves aliens exist your wrong and some hillbilly redneck expression shows you will call anything about God creating other beings shortsighted view you have selfish. Your lying bill and your A liar !
 
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