Does Jesus love satan?

[Bill]

Pagans, Evildoers, Democrats, the wicked - Absolutely! They're not the ENEMY, they're the "Mission field". Fellow human beings.
Satan and his folks - obviously NOT. They ARE the Enemy. They've knowingly chosen their "side", and are beyond redemption.

Just a little disclaimer , i came down hard . But it is ment for the Christians at large , not one person

 

[Sue D.]

@ Bill -- since I'm a pre-tribber I can honestly say that I don't see that as escapism at all. I've been leaning a bit towards mid-trib. But in all honesty, I' think we're going to be so busy living that we won't be that conscious of what timing we're living through. WE Do know that there will be more and more messiness to wade through. It's compared, in Scripture , to a woman going through labor pains. They build up in frequency and painfulness, Those pains keep coming and coming until you feel like you're going to Burst open and Then the baby is born. But some labors are very short and some are rather long. I've experienced Both.

And this country / world is experiencing a lot of messiness.

God will remove His Church at His timing. No sooner and no later. And 'we' need to be ready Now -- as has Always been the case. We Could die in a car wreck / heart attack or 'whatever' Before the rapture. No one is promised 'tomorrow'.

 

[Bill]

@ Bill -- since I'm a pre-tribber I can honestly say that I don't see that as escapism at all. I've been leaning a bit towards mid-trib. But in all honesty, I' think we're going to be so busy living that we won't be that conscious of what timing we're living through. WE Do know that there will be more and more messiness to wade through. It's compared, in Scripture , to a woman going through labor pains. They build up in frequency and painfulness, Those pains keep coming and coming until you feel like you're going to Burst open and Then the baby is born. But some labors are very short and some are rather long. I've experienced Both.

And this country / world is experiencing a lot of messiness.

God will remove His Church at His timing. No sooner and no later. And 'we' need to be ready Now -- as has Always been the case. We Could die in a car wreck / heart attack or 'whatever' Before the rapture. No one is promised 'tomorrow'.

Never say we know all of God's plans. It is a mistake often made. There are some who know they will live to experience the unfolding of Rev.

As for pre trib . It is a false teaching to mislead and give false hope. There are some churches i have seen that push this so strongly , they nearly replace God and faith with it.

The chosen, the Israelites endured 400 yrs of slavery to the Egyptians, yet when thier deliverer came. The land of milk and honey was the desert for another 40 yrs.

I dont think todays Christians can compare to the hardships of slavery, unless you live in China.

No you will stay here with me , and experience all of the Scripture as it unfolds with the AntiChrist

The Rapture will take place at Jesus return. Not before

 

[Sue D.]

@ Bill -- No one can say with any certainty that they will live to experience the unfolding of Rev. There Are those who feel they will be rewarded even More for suffering they Want to go through. That's almost prideful on their part. Like "look at how much I"M willing to go through. What a 'Good-boy I'LL be". "not of works lest any man should have anything to boast about".

Nothing really 'false-hope' about it. Why should born again believers have to face God's wrath. Man-made tribulation is one thing -- God's wrath is something different.

A church should Not be pushing that at all. Pastor's Need to be teaching Scripture. Our deceaced pastor most always taught through various books of the Bible. Especially Sunday and Wedn evenings.

Hope you won't be too disappointed when you end up going up Before those 7 yrs. start. But, honestly -- I really don't think Anyone will realize 'when' it's taking place.

I'm looking more towards a mid-trib timing now days -- I think. Well -- a pre-wrath taking up.

Well -- let's not be Too dogmatic about it. It Will happen when it Does happen. .

 

[Dave M]

There Are those who feel they will be rewarded even More for suffering they Want to go through. That's almost prideful on their part. Like "look at how much I"M willing to go through. What a 'Good-boy I'LL be". "not of works lest any man should have anything to boast about"

are you sure your not confusing that with someone who want to please God. My goodness read what you wrote, nothing prideful about someone willing to suffer for there faith. Was Peter pride full when he asked to be hung on a cross up side down because he was not worthy to be hung like Jesus. You make it sound like a bad thing to want to please GOd.

compare what you say to what the bible says, see the difference,

Romans 5:3
More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance,

Romans 8:18
For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.

1 Peter 4:12-13
Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.

 

[B-A-C]

Was Peter pride full when he asked to be hung on a cross up side down because he was not worthy to be hung like Jesus. You make it sound like a bad thing to want to please GOd.

Heb 11:35; Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection;
Heb 11:36; and others experienced mockings and scourgings, yes, also chains and imprisonment.
Heb 11:37; They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were tempted, they were put to death with the sword; they went about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, ill-treated
Heb 11:38; men of whom the world was not worthy, wandering in deserts and mountains and caves and holes in the ground.
Heb 11:39; And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised,
Heb 11:40; because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect.

1Cor 3:11; For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Cor 3:12; Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
1Cor 3:13; each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work.
1Cor 3:14; If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward.
1Cor 3:15; If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Jas 1:2; Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials,
Jas 1:3; knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
Jas 1:4; And let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

Heb 12:7; It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
Heb 12:8; But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
Heb 12:9; Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10; For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but He disciplines us for our good, so that we may share His holiness.

Acts 5:41; So they went on their way from the presence of the Council, rejoicing that they had been considered worthy to suffer shame for His name.

 

[Sue D.]

Dave M -- To me, there's a difference between being Willing to suffer and activily Wanting to suffer -- Seeking the suffering.

With Peter -- he was willing to die -- he knew he would be. Being hung up-side down because he wasn't worthy.

Okay -- the verses you shared -- suffering for the cause of Christ -- yes.

 

[Bill]

@ Bill -- No one can say with any certainty that they will live to experience the unfolding of Rev. There Are those who feel they will be rewarded even More for suffering they Want to go through. That's almost prideful on their part. Like "look at how much I"M willing to go through. What a 'Good-boy I'LL be". "not of works lest any man should have anything to boast about".

Nothing really 'false-hope' about it. Why should born again believers have to face God's wrath. Man-made tribulation is one thing -- God's wrath is something different.

A church should Not be pushing that at all. Pastor's Need to be teaching Scripture. Our deceaced pastor most always taught through various books of the Bible. Especially Sunday and Wedn evenings.

Hope you won't be too disappointed when you end up going up Before those 7 yrs. start. But, honestly -- I really don't think Anyone will realize 'when' it's taking place.

I'm looking more towards a mid-trib timing now days -- I think. Well -- a pre-wrath taking up.

Well -- let's not be Too dogmatic about it. It Will happen when it Does happen. .

I can tell you right now , i know i will be here to experience the antiChrist. Why ? Because it was what i accepted when the Father asked me to be who i am . I already know i will not die in this country ( USA ) .

I have a question for you, to whom do you think the warming is for when the Lord via Rev tells people not to get the mark of the Beast?

Do you think its for the pagans? Do you think it is for the unlearned, those who do not read Scripture?

It was not written for any of those. That piece of Scripture was written for the Christians.

 

[Bill]

Dave M -- To me, there's a difference between being Willing to suffer and activily Wanting to suffer -- Seeking the suffering.

With Peter -- he was willing to die -- he knew he would be. Being hung up-side down because he wasn't worthy.

Okay -- the verses you shared -- suffering for the cause of Christ -- yes.

May the Lord's Love fill you and your family always, my sister. Happy Valentine's Day.

In staying here on planet earth , just think , you will experience what i have told you already . A literal block on snow , on the roof.
Now listen, the more you share it with others , the more it will remain. But if you keep it to yourself, this gift will leave.

I know you are very literal as a person, very logical. But i have asked this , especially for you , from the Father. Just for putting up with me in this chat. Think of it like your personal burning bush.

You will not be able to explain this away as you have dismissed so much Scripture. ( relegating the Scriptures to the Jews , and not seeing that the Jews written in the New Tesiment, are the New Jews , the Christians . ) a person whose heart is circumcised could be said to be a Jew.

 

[Garee]

Hi Brothers and sisters,

So here's my question; Jesus tells us to love our enemies (satan is the enemy). Does that mean we should love pagans, evildoers, the wicked and satan and his emmiseries?

Thanks guys.

The spirit of error ( Legion) opposes the Spirit of truth. They will never become one. We love them by revealing their nakedness. No gospel.

The spirit of error ( Legion) along with the letter of the law death with its suffering called hell will be cast into the fiery judgment of Christ never to rise and condemn through dying (corruption )another whole creation

 

[Sue D.]

@Bill -- here in south Texas we Have had a blizzard that lasted one day. But a literal block of snow on the roof -- no. We had up to 4 inches in various parts of the area -- but it Is winter in other parts of the country.

The burning bush you are referring to was God getting Moses' attention. At least I'm thinking it was Moses. Sorry , but I don't think of you in that perspective.

There are no 'new' Jews. There Are the Jews -- God's chosen people. There are those who accept Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior and those who Don't. The Church is made up of All people who have accepted Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior through the ages -- the past, present and future. Their background does not matter.

No one becomes a Jew as a result of accepting Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. A Jew who Does accept Christ is a Messianic Jew. And that person is a born again believer just like anyone from any nationality is.

 

[Sue D.]

@ Bill -- Happy Valentines' Day to you, also. Which is like wishing someone Merry Christmas.

 

[Sue D.]

The spirit of error ( Legion) opposes the Spirit of truth. They will never become one. We love them by revealing their nakedness. No gospel.

The spirit of error ( Legion) along with the letter of the law death with its suffering called hell will be cast into the fiery judgment of Christ never to rise and condemn through dying (corruption )another whole creation

Where do you get that information from? The spirit of error being called Legion?

 

[Bill]

@Bill -- here in south Texas we Have had a blizzard that lasted one day. But a literal block of snow on the roof -- no. We had up to 4 inches in various parts of the area -- but it Is winter in other parts of the country.

The burning bush you are referring to was God getting Moses' attention. At least I'm thinking it was Moses. Sorry , but I don't think of you in that perspective.

There are no 'new' Jews. There Are the Jews -- God's chosen people. There are those who accept Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior and those who Don't. The Church is made up of All people who have accepted Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior through the ages -- the past, present and future. Their background does not matter.

No one becomes a Jew as a result of accepting Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. A Jew who Does accept Christ is a Messianic Jew. And that person is a born again believer just like anyone from any nationality is.

Everything that has to do with God is about faith. Everything.

It takes Faith to really believe.

We have a habit of indoctrinating ourselves to thinking we do believe, then when the moment of reality comes home, it is like an epiphany to the soul.

You will experience this when then 10' deep block of snow is set ontop of your residence. You wont expect it, it will just happen.

As for being a Jew, a true Jew it's not one that looks like a Jew a true Jew is someone who loves God from their heart

 

[Sue D.]

@Bill -- a person does not become a Jew when they accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior.

Yes, placing our faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ plus nothing Does make the difference.

There will not be 10 inches deep snow on top of my residence. Besides -- the way roofs are designed -- with pitch -- maybe a few inches but nothing more. A flat roof would have a problem. But 10 inches is a Lot.

 

[Sue D.]

I can tell you right now , i know i will be here to experience the antiChrist. Why ? Because it was what i accepted when the Father asked me to be who i am . I already know i will not die in this country ( USA ) .

I have a question for you, to whom do you think the warming is for when the Lord via Rev tells people not to get the mark of the Beast?

Do you think its for the pagans? Do you think it is for the unlearned, those who do not read Scripture?

It was not written for any of those. That piece of Scripture was written for the Christians.

And What has God asked you to be?

As for the mark of the beast -- 666 -- vs 16 - 18 --there will be people coming to Christ during the 7 yr tribulation period. Revelation 7 -- vs 4 states that there will be 144,000 Jews sealed on their forehead. 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. vs 9 says there will be a great multitude vs 10 and dryig out with a loud voice, saying, Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb. . then over to vs 14 ...."These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation ....and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The warning about receiving the mark 666 is for those who accept Christ during those 7 yrs. The Church will not be here for that time. Now there Is the pre-wrath view. Because there's no reason for born again believers to feel the wrath of God. The Jewish people Will because they would not accept Jesus Christ in the manger as their Promised Messiah.

There is Also the thought that those who simply put off accepting Jesus Christ as Savior but not rejecting Him, will also have a chance to accept Him or reject. But it will be a Lot harder to do that after the rapture has taken place.

And I suppose it's Possible that a person not taken up Could survive the 7 yrs. and be here for the 1,000 yrs reign of Christ.

But a non-believer Could be in an accident and enter eternity and never have any other chance.

All of us will die when God says it's our time.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Do not list the Democrats in that list there are many good people that are Democrats as well.

There ARE NO "Good People" (in this context) there's Born Again people, and there are non-believers.

Maybe if you're going to go that route you should include the Christians as the pagans and evildoers and the wicked. Because I find the Christians to be the most judgmental of all of mankind as it is.

And what group of people does GOD say must REPENT in 2 Chr 7:14????

 

[Bill]

@Bill -- a person does not become a Jew when they accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior.

Yes, placing our faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ plus nothing Does make the difference.

There will not be 10 inches deep snow on top of my residence. Besides -- the way roofs are designed -- with pitch -- maybe a few inches but nothing more. A flat roof would have a problem. But 10 inches is a Lot.

You're right it isn't 10 inches deep I'm talking about 10 ft deep

And again you're trying to use logic and human thinking when it comes to Faith where there is no logic or human thinking because it's in the Lord

As far as becoming a Jew go back and read the New Testament especially the books of the Apostle Paul

 

[Bill]

There ARE NO "Good People" (in this context) there's Born Again people, and there are non-believers.



And what group of people does GOD say must REPENT in 2 Chr 7:14????

Yes there are good people here. But the Christians by and large need to understand that if you are going to become like Christ then you need to put down the crown and become the servant while you are here on planet Earth.

The Lord expects the Christians to be like him to be holy like God. And this holiness include being humble before God always.

This means willing to lay down your life if it comes to that for the sake of others. If you are not willing to give up your life for the sake of your brother your sister then what is the point.

And we will experience this over and over again in the few years ahead of us .

All of us are brothers and sisters with Jesus Children of the Most High. Let us go forward and find the rest of the children the ones who are lost in the world, and have forgotten where they came from

 

[Garee]

Where do you get that information from? The spirit of error being called Legion?

Thanks for the reply. It is something I keep on the back burner on candle simmer. It’s a little lengthy hope you can bear with my rambling.

Satan is the opposing spirit (singular) he has no DNA. He needs DNA to perform his deception .The father of lies used a serpent who at one time was the most beautiful creature in the garden by putting his lying thoughts on its forked tongue mankind was corrupted. The glory of God departed . Or Peter in Mathew 16 when the spirit of error Satan rebuked the Son of man Jesus forbiding him from doing the will of His unsen father. . again to show the spirit of error has no form or substance

That I believe can be seen in the way of describing the work of one antichrist (singular Satan) who works in many antichrists (many humans) . . a legion of lying spirits coming from one source the opposing spirit of error. Again Peter was used as one of antichrists that were there another kind of teacher in the end forbidding the Son of man, Jesus from performing the good news the gospel of our salvation.

The Holy Spirit demanded that the antichrist Satan get behind him not seen and not Peter seen . He had no faith as a desire to do the will and fled the scene. The Lord rebuked that spirit of lies . Get behind me, not Peter seen.

Reminding us to walk by faith the unsen eternal.

Note . . .(parenthesis ) my additon as part of my offering.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist(singular) shall come, even now are there many antichrists (legion) ; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man seen. . it cannot be forgiven against the Holy Spirit not seen

On one occasion Jesus asked one of the antichrists his name he said legion for we are many . One name to represent many or all.

Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.

He is also called the man of sin because without mankind (DNA) he has no voice. In that way no man can serve two teaching authorities as one good master and Lord, not seen.

The same spirit of error is shown as the antichrist (false teacher) working in Saul the first king of Israel as one of the legion of antichrists (another teaching master) Saul had been cut off from all manners of prophecy the one true teaching master. .

When inquiring of a Witch through necromancy the question came up. . how does the witch identify the one in a hope of communing with that which is called workers (legion) with a familiar spirit in the Bible, a legion (gods) came up? A image as a description or idol image a teraphim like the one Rachel hid from her father was needed to put a face on the legion . God sent a strong delusion so that Saul could continue to seek after the legion. In the end Saul bowed down to the dust from where he came from .

1 Samuel 28:12-14 King James Version (KJV) And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

The bowing of oneself to oneself.

Another example is displayed in the New Testament again of the work of what I call “the legion of gods" plural It would be trusting in the things seen as evidence (the temporal seen ) rather than that of one God doing his unseen work in mankind.

Those who have no faith as it is written made the apostles in Acts 14 into a legion of Greek gods after the philosophies of this world and not after Christ.

There the unseen power of the gospel is preached and God moving Paul to place his hands on the person as request he might be healed .Hands equal the will in the Bible .In that way like the folding of hands or bowing down it is a pear to God. Those that witnessed falsely attributed the work of healing to the literally hands of the apostles. They created the apostles in their own Imagination or image in effect saying .the legion has come down in the likeness of humans .They di not mix faith the eternal in the gospel understanding.

Acts14 :7-12 And there they preached the gospel.And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods (legion) are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.

The same applies to the Ten Commandments it could read . #1 Thou shall have no legion before me. rather than other gods

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight